Gilly wrote:
I know you weren't but I have been in a few fixes, as I am sure you have, I consider the most desirable thing in the people around me a thing once called character. By that I mean courage, level headedness, compassion, honesty, willingness to work, willingness to share, patience, a sense of fair play etc, these things count WAY more than skill, know how and brawn.

I sometimes wonder why we, as a society spend so long honing skills, gathering knowledge and training our bodies only to be totally apathetic is the department of character. We live in one of the most character-toxic environments imaginable: jealousy, snidiness, cowardess and greed are all encouraged.

Not only will those things be lethal to any group of people attempting to survive together, they might just well be the very reason for the calamity in the first place.

When things go south so do tempers.
Yet another survival mental attitude thing.

When one use words like the correct "mindset" unfortunately people I have talked to often describe what they understand by the word as some motto, axiom, credo or general "attitude" that one must remind oneself to keep.

It's as if the strength of character is easily assumed as ideas to be adopted rather than muscles to be trained and shaped with time, hard work and perseverance.

The qualities of character that resist our tempers "going south" need strengthening and nurturing.

Just telling oneself to be honest with the group, patient in adversity and brave when fear comes, calm when others get angry or panic and hopeful when others despair and rely on you will not work when put to the test, IME.

As I said, we live in a very character-toxic environment: if people are serious about all that preparation stuff, then they should be just as serious about the health of ones character as they are about skills and supplies.

Neurology actually supports this btw. I'll dig the article/book up at some point

if you use an acorn and slingshot to kill a squirrel, you get twice the meat.

Until I get some serious figures on the numbers needed to restart the species I'm not much inclined to prepare for a 'lone wolf' scenario, it seems I wouldn't be cut-throat enough to survive compared to others.

Why's that, Oi? If a disaster occurred you might not even be aware of the number of other survivors anyway.

We've moved on from there and been thinking in terms of survival tips for different scenarios including local / national / temporary emergencies instead of just the full-scale disaster type.

I doubt I could be cut-throat either, but if it meant protecting my kids, who knows?

*Edit* I was meaning why would you need to know repopulation numbers, not why would you not want to prep.

jhado wrote:
Hey, you conjoured up that image all on your own, Jhado. It was the furthest thing from my mind.

Gilly wrote:
Because if it's just me and the wife we might as well get on the brown for our last days than face the prospect of interbreeding with our kids!

I'm also partly curious as to what extent preppers have prepped on behalf of the species and how much on behalf of their own genes.

It's a fair question, but I'd be surprised if all preppers shared the same outlook as the next. It seems a bit like thinking all conspiracy theorists hold the same views as each other.

I think you'll find OI that most people will be more concerned about their own survival and that of their immediate family than the survival of the species, that comes much later after the dust has settled and basic communities start to form.

Gilly wrote: oioioi wrote:
killinme:
So besides trying to survive you’re going to be worried about repopulation

Mr Oioioi why the fuck would you even be having thoughts of interbreeding with your kids ?

Surviving will be a full time job, if you have the energy to get your leg over with Mrs Oioioi then good luck with that I don’t think you all quite understand the implications of fending for yourself in a hostile terrain, foraging daily for some scoff, water sources, shelter and of course avoiding the bad guys who are going to carve you up and chuck you in the pot for their scoff

People in the UK can look out the window now at the rain pissing down, blowing a gale, now survive in that for who knows how long, in the boonies, and depending on the situation possibly with no fire or heat source.
Greece will throw its own problems up in surviving due to climate, best you read some books on coastal survival or desert survival techniques.

Survival is big business and a con, as what they never tell you is that most people will die, never mind the gizmos you have etc. Localised catastrophes are not going to be an issue if you survive whatever it is, because the big bad army or emergency services will eventually be there to rescue your sorry ass, remember to tell them they’re all cunts and point them to your ACAB thread
Global Catastrophe then you’re on your jacks.
As for the other expert going on about it won’t be a mad max situation Go to any warzone or conflict region in the world and look at the little local warlords running their area.
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"Survival is big business and a con, as what they never tell you is that most people will die..."

Unless I'm a "warlord" I'll die?

I'm not feeling this 'preppy' vibe, I'll stick to endorsing a system that seeks to prevent your predicted scenario.

And living in Greece the pigs are the last people I'd turn to given your scenario!!!

Call me a dreamer, I prefer it as a general state of mind than your "realist" nightmare scenarios.

lonewolf wrote:
So much later when the dust has settled how many survivors do you think would be needed to provide a diverse enough gene pool to protect the species from extinction?

oioioi wrote: nobody can tell that, it all depends on the SHTF event as to what the survival rate is, could be as high as 50-70% but could be as low as 10-25%.

lonewolf wrote:
But what would it need to be?

Is 10% diverse enough?

oioioi wrote: if their all strangers i.e. non related I expect so..........

I think the chances of all survivors being unrelated are slim to none!

entrangermercenary1 wrote: take a look at Selco's posts over on shtfschool.com this guy LIVED through it .

oioioi wrote: maybe but in a MAJOR event don't bank on everyone being as lucky as you. there WILL be casualties.

lonewolf wrote:
I've never doubted that.