lonewolf wrote:
Rather than waiting for it to happen why not work towards building a society that will prevent all these preventable (and questionable) scenarios you present?

my (short) time on here has just proved to me just how alien the concept of being responsible for ones own actions/destiny has become in this country, the "nanny" state-cradle to grave has become ingrained in most people to the extent they are no longer capable of taking care of themselves without outside help, take the recent power shortages, one woman said "when are THEY coming to give us torches,candles and food?." a man said "its like living in the middle ages"...it was only 5 days! it seems taking care of themselves is now unknown to them. I have tried to offer the knowledge to those here on this site who are genuinely interested to know even the basic facts but the posts are getting blocked by the bullshit brigade who will not allow any other view but their own. any information is totally ignored in favour of their own gaundiced views. I am sorry but I DID try, the rest is up to you.

"Survival is big business and a con, as what they never tell you is that most people will die..."

Unless I'm a "warlord" I'll die?

I'm not feeling this 'preppy' vibe, I'll stick to endorsing a system that seeks to prevent your predicted scenario.

And living in Greece the pigs are the last people I'd turn to given your scenario!!!

Call me a dreamer, I prefer it as a general state of mind than your "realist" nightmare scenarios.

entrangermercenary1 wrote: take a look at Selco's posts over on shtfschool.com this guy LIVED through it .

This can be caused by the slim chance of a meteor strike
A slim chance of sun burst EMP frazzling all electrical systems
A slim chance of nuclear war/regoinal war
A slim chance of the old volcanic caldera going off, which will have a global impact
A medium to high risk of some mutated virus appearing and causing the ultimate global pandemic

entrangermercenary1 wrote: Trust me, mate, the world is not run by warlords, it's run by money and the people who control it. The standard of living in the so-called 'third world' is going to increase over the next century, eventually you will see a levelling out between the so-called developed world, the so-called developing economies, and the so-called third world. This will result in a somewhat better standard of living for people in 'poor' countries, and a somewhat worse standard of living for people in 'rich' countries.

IMO survival skills are pointless because you don't need them. Urbanisation and industrialisation is pretty much an inevitable process, and not necessarily a bad one if industries were actually run in a way which isn't completely elitist. Powerful interests that control quadrillions of dollars want industrialisation and urbanisation everywhere, and they will get it because your life inevitably improves if you have electricity as opposed to if you do not. You can see in a country like India for example which still has massive poverty and a very ancient culture that corporate culture has been totally, completely and utterly embraced.

There isn't ever going to be a situation where massive corporations, controlled by banks, don't want to sell energy to people. And they all think on a global scale, so they simply want to penetrate and control every single marketplace. Obviously the ideal situation for them would be for everyone to have a little house or flat and to be on 'the grid' and directly dependent on them. Eventually this will pretty much happen. It pretty much already has. I'm sure you will still have pockets of people that choose not to live this way, just as there are, conservatively, thousands of homeless people in North America and Europe, but they will have no real impact on the central culture.

Rest assured, this is what is happening and will happen. The major issues will be whether an energy-dependent culture can continue to create it from finite materials, and whether people afford to buy it as currencies continue to depreciate in value and energy almost inevitably becomes more scarce. There are going to be some massive issues related to food prices as well if we continue to turn food into fuel.

Don't worry about playing soldiers in the woods, that won't be an issue.

First of all even though its xmas ...I anit your fucking mate

Secondly list the warzones you have been in, and then we can discuss wether there are regional/city/village warlords running the show with there own agenda.

The reason you cant get your head around this is because you cant live without electricity ffs

Have not got a clue why your banging on about electricity and energy, the question is about survival in a global catastrophe and to a lesser extend immediate survival in a localised incident

Are you saying these events dont happen or wont occur in the future ?

Britain is not prone to large earthquakes, frequent and large hurricanes, massive landslides, volcanos.

After living in countries that ARE for years, the UK seems relatively safe, although Merc was right when he said that the climate is not to be underestimated.

As a culture we aren't prone to revolutions and military coups and it takes us longer to riot than most other populations.

We are a little too far North for many diseases and most pandemics are totally overblown (swine flu, bird flu et al)

The national character was brought to light during the Blitz and I even saw some of it when, after the 1987 hurricane demolished half our house, our rather distant neighbours opened their doors and took us in.

In fact, without getting too patriotic, I have to say that there is something terribly uncharacteristic-of-the -British about all of this doom obsession.

Don't get me wrong: being prepared is very much in the national character. Prudence and caution are very typical. But talk like "millions WILL DIE!" and talk of an incoming End of The World as We Know It and the whole "every man for himself" thing just seems yet another American import.

Why can't we import their good stuff? Like a Republic instead of a Monarchy? Or the ability to give and accept compliments?

First of all even though its xmas ...I anit your fucking mate

entrangermercenary1 wrote: Why? Have I done something to hurt your feelings?
I haven't been in any warzones.

There are gangs in Britain, organised crime. Do they run the society? No, they do not.

The Mafia is famously very influential in Italy. Does it run the country? No, it does not.

There are warlords in Africa. Are they as powerful as the massive industrial interests that have colonised the place? No, they are not.

If you believe otherwise, fine, that's your right. You just happen to be wrong.
I said that myself earlier in the thread, nor would I want to. What's the fucking point? I'm not pissing around in the woods trying to survive, I wouldn't last five minutes. I wouldn't fucking want to.
Because we're an energy-dependent culture. 99.99999% of people are dependent on energy. If that is taken away for a significant period of time, that's the end of society as we know it. It isn't worth surviving because there won't be anything worthwhile to survive for.
Well, we were one word away from nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis so certainly not. But I hope if there was a full-scale nuclear war, for example, that I'm near a primary target, as that will be preferable to survival.

Do I think this will ever happen...well its a possibility, and thats the difference of opinion that i see here a possibility against a flat deniel

Actually if there was a sun flare large enough to cause a global emp we'd also be dead as it would infer a blast of lethal radiation so...