From a global POV there are SHTF situations occurring annually. Take the Philippines this year for instance. It's only when the possibility strikes the West, especially America, that the idea that "the World as we know it is ending" crops up.

oioioi wrote:
Ahh but have you dwelt on it.

your misquoting again Mikey, its not The End of the World......its The end of the world-AS WE KNOW IT! i.e. a different lifestyle, a different way of working will evolve from the ruins of the old one, its not the end of planet earth-BOOM your all dead, no its just different.

entrangermercenary1 wrote: Trust me, mate, the world is not run by warlords, it's run by money and the people who control it. The standard of living in the so-called 'third world' is going to increase over the next century, eventually you will see a levelling out between the so-called developed world, the so-called developing economies, and the so-called third world. This will result in a somewhat better standard of living for people in 'poor' countries, and a somewhat worse standard of living for people in 'rich' countries.

IMO survival skills are pointless because you don't need them. Urbanisation and industrialisation is pretty much an inevitable process, and not necessarily a bad one if industries were actually run in a way which isn't completely elitist. Powerful interests that control quadrillions of dollars want industrialisation and urbanisation everywhere, and they will get it because your life inevitably improves if you have electricity as opposed to if you do not. You can see in a country like India for example which still has massive poverty and a very ancient culture that corporate culture has been totally, completely and utterly embraced.

There isn't ever going to be a situation where massive corporations, controlled by banks, don't want to sell energy to people. And they all think on a global scale, so they simply want to penetrate and control every single marketplace. Obviously the ideal situation for them would be for everyone to have a little house or flat and to be on 'the grid' and directly dependent on them. Eventually this will pretty much happen. It pretty much already has. I'm sure you will still have pockets of people that choose not to live this way, just as there are, conservatively, thousands of homeless people in North America and Europe, but they will have no real impact on the central culture.

Rest assured, this is what is happening and will happen. The major issues will be whether an energy-dependent culture can continue to create it from finite materials, and whether people afford to buy it as currencies continue to depreciate in value and energy almost inevitably becomes more scarce. There are going to be some massive issues related to food prices as well if we continue to turn food into fuel.

Don't worry about playing soldiers in the woods, that won't be an issue.

lonewolf wrote:
I er I wrote
mikey mikey wrote:
And before you accuse me of editing after your post. Your post is timed at 10:17. My post edit 10 :13

So you are either misreading or misrepresenting.

And as for "misquoting again" can you show me the first misquote?

maybe if the world carries on as it is, but what happens if the weather continues to change and we get more and more adverse weather like we've had lately, what is every summer turns into a drought? what if all the bees die ? what if there isn't enough energy, raw materials, gas and oil to go around? what if humans continue to breed without thinking of the consequences and there is less and less places to grow food for the billions and billions of people? there are too many variables to sit back and think nothing will go wrong-ever.

lonewolf wrote:
Rather than waiting for it to happen why not work towards building a society that will prevent all these preventable (and questionable) scenarios you present?

mikey mikey wrote: you said "the end of the world" that is incorrect, its the end of the world as we know it or TEOTWAWKI....the 2 mean very different things and can get people confused.

oioioi wrote: that takes people and countries and politicians to work together.....think that will ever happen?

oioioi wrote: not all are preventable, and as for "questionable" that is only your interpretation....not mine.

Two things that i can't believe:
That i just read this thread through

and

merc has made some bloody good posts

lonewolf wrote: Migration.
Migration.
We've ourselves o blame.
We'll have to use some of the suppressed methods of energy production.

,,
We have to stop living 'disposably'.
We'll have to use some of the suppressed methods of energy production.
Current trends suggest this not to be the case.
I think we've already agreed to disagree on this matter.

lonewolf wrote:
No. You are either not reading or deliberately lying.
mikey mikey wrote:

oioioi wrote: all the above will take people and countries and politicians to work together, wont happen, too many varied interests(take say the oil lobby for one as an example), by the time they get their act together-if they ever do- it'll be too late. its probably already too late for the bees, if they die out we've all had it.

mikey mikey wrote: no your just flapping your gums and trying to deliberately confuse people.

No, the post you refer to clearly reads as it does.

Tough

Depopulation is occurring as proven previously so you can strike overpopulation off the list

lets depopulate bilderberg.

Britain is not prone to large earthquakes, frequent and large hurricanes, massive landslides, volcanos.

After living in countries that ARE for years, the UK seems relatively safe, although Merc was right when he said that the climate is not to be underestimated.

As a culture we aren't prone to revolutions and military coups and it takes us longer to riot than most other populations.

We are a little too far North for many diseases and most pandemics are totally overblown (swine flu, bird flu et al)

The national character was brought to light during the Blitz and I even saw some of it when, after the 1987 hurricane demolished half our house, our rather distant neighbours opened their doors and took us in.

In fact, without getting too patriotic, I have to say that there is something terribly uncharacteristic-of-the -British about all of this doom obsession.

Don't get me wrong: being prepared is very much in the national character. Prudence and caution are very typical. But talk like "millions WILL DIE!" and talk of an incoming End of The World as We Know It and the whole "every man for himself" thing just seems yet another American import.

Why can't we import their good stuff? Like a Republic instead of a Monarchy? Or the ability to give and accept compliments?

I suppose one of the things that should be pointed out is that the human race will die out eventually. Given the way that we've behaved and the massive environmental catastrophes that we’ve already created, I honestly do not believe that this will necessarily be that far into the future in generational terms. We are not very physically resilient, and we have made ourselves considerably less resilient by inventing lots of brilliant things that make life worthwhile. Consequently, we are extremely vulnerable to almost any meaningful change in the environment, while our own behaviour is also massively changing the environment.

I seriously doubt this will happen in our lifetimes, but if and when it does happen, there will be no point in trying to survive it. This was addressed in the final episode of the TV show ‘Dinosaurs’ which was generally complete shit, but the last episode was actually pretty good.