Mike wrote:
You're an educated man Gue, why not put the blame where it belongs? With a system that requires unemployed people for it to work?

Mike wrote:
Most of them are coming to the country with fuck all, so we can probably lump them under the broarder heading of 'poor people'.

That winds up people more though Lesley, they might say "poor foreigners come here for the NHS because they can't afford healthcare at home, immigrants cause a drain on the benefits system" etc, how would you respond if someone brought it up?

Many immigrants I've known rarely stay poor for long, this also pisses off the average joe struggling to get a check out job at the local supermarket.

Mike wrote:
That's capitalism. People follow the money.

Mike wrote:
lol you have a strange definition of 'not poor'

I am poor so I know what i'm talking about, seriously though, I've known people from Eastern Europe, Morocco, Asia they all have the drive to escape poverty when they get here and it doesn't usually take them long.

Making money in this country isn't as hard as getting out of some countries

www.france24.com/en/20130214-france-suic...tion-welfare-economy
ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/social_affairs/AJ201302160010
A universal trend it seems?

Mike wrote:
FACT.

Mike wrote:
The bolded part, in my opinion, is alot of the reason why people gets so pissed off about them and fuck all to do with all the rest of the crap.

Mike wrote:
They don't escape poverty.

Poverty is anyone with less than a million as pocket change to throw around with complete abandon.
Theres guys who invest 10's of times that amount just as a tax dodge and they really couldn't give a shit if it doesn't bear fruit cos they'd be robbed of it otherwise and there's literally thousands of people just like that.

Poor is someone who has to borrow to make any major purchase, someone who pays taxes and is reliant on the state and thats billions of people. Having a job that pays 20k and has 20% income tax deducted and then VAT on piles of purchases and loan payments on all sorts of crap is not out of the poverty trap.

Even much of the middle class are reliant on a state pension, get it right

They escape starvation level poverty where they come from to be replaced with just over broke poverty here and they think its great, that is basically the mentality. They're not wealthy by any means. They're still poor.

If you've lived in Morocco, escaped the mandatory army service and moved to South England, you've escaped poverty

I like your overall point though you frame it quite antagonistically.

How to remain unemployed and not Kill yourself:

This is part of an upcoming instructional pamphlet of the same name

E.ON lobbied for stiff sentences against Kingsnorth activists, papers show
www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/feb/...sentences-kingsnorth

Mike wrote:
Nietzsche?

Come back at Camus, ent did

Content dear friend content.

Mike wrote:
Nietzsche did my melon in, Camus soothed me, Sartre gave me the slap around the chops.

I just realised, I got most of my politics from musicians, philosophers and football(ers).

Not a politician in sight!

I've never read any Sartre, he was an evel communist

I've heard his work on Dialectics is among the best it's titanic though, my knowledge of existentialism comes through ghetto rick roderick mp3's I had an audiobook of the stranger and a bob solomon course in existentialism, from them I dipped into the various authors over long periods.

I struggle to consider Camus a philosopher, he was more of a trickster imo, a dirty Commie trickster..

Mike wrote:
Great goalkeeper by all accounts.

andyh wrote:
How does the system require unemployed people for it to work?

.......... wrote:
What better way to scare the crap out of your slaves and keep their wages low?
This is how the game works, pretty obvious when you look at it.