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Two Explosions at Boston Marathon 21 Apr 2013 23:07 #401

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Guy on the left...what uniform is that? :think:

If you zoom the image you can see that he has the same emblem as the other guys in the photo but he has an extra banner above. I would assume he is perhaps a higher rank to the others. They all appear to be wearing the same gear apart from the colour and that extra emblem.
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Personally speaking I would not have a problem with the police looking in my house for a fugitive, especially one who had just bombed a crowd without discrimination. The photos and videos I have seen show people with their hands up. This is normal procedure I imagine so as to avoid anybody accidentally getting shot. The po.ice were heavily armed and wearing protective gear because they had to treat every home as if there was a bomb or gun aimed at them. This guy had already killed one cop apparently and thrown bombs at police. So the idea that the police are going to come in dressed in pajamas or something is silly. Regular people in Boston have weapons and this particular guy has shown he is willing to use them,

The "mean sob" looks to me like a man being strong in a very tense situation. These guys were on the front line. The police and national guard were amongst those people helping the injured right after it happened. They caught the guy and he was alive. It could so easily have ended with him captured dead and then the conspiracy theories would really be flying......Well they are anyway because some people can turn a school play into a big conspiracy.

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Two Explosions at Boston Marathon 22 Apr 2013 07:20 #406

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Mike wrote:
The idea anybody who believes this was a conspiracy/staged event has of the people in that video worries me :think:

Here's an article commenting on this...

Many Bostonians Love And Worship The Miltiarized Police State
April 21, 2013

Source: Lee Rogers, Blacklisted News

he video and images depicting the havoc caused in the aftermath of the Boston Marathon bombing were undoubtedly a disturbing sight. Even more disturbing were the sights and sounds of Bostonians celebrating and cheering the capture of suspect number two following the implementation of a full blown militarized police state in and around Boston. These mindless sheep were cheering the suspect’s capture despite the fact that the FBI and local police forces have still failed to produce any concrete evidence proving that either of the two suspects planted the bombs. Even worse was how many of these mindless zombies were cheering the militarized police forces that put the city under a state of martial law in the name of capturing a single 19 year old young man.
It is a documented fact that these militarized police forces conducted warrantless unconstitutional door to door searches and restricted travel for no justifiable reason. These types of warrantless searches are a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures. The actions taken by Governor Deval Patrick and the militarized police goons were unlawful according to the supreme law of the land and a misuse of government resources. Even after conducting these unlawful searches for hours on end the storm troopers still failed to find the suspect that they were looking for. Once the so-called lock down was lifted the suspect was found minutes later by a man who saw something suspicious near his boat after he was allowed to leave his home. If these idiots didn’t roll out full blown martial law throughout the area and simply asked for the public’s help in locating this person, the suspect would have been found much sooner. This is just one reason why it is disgusting to see how so many brainwashed robots were cheering the police forces who conducted these illegal operations.

The state of martial law in and around Boston undoubtedly resulted in a tremendous amount of revenue lost for businesses in and around the area. Of course the stooges in the corporate media won’t talk about that or the legality and the wisdom of such a boneheaded operation. The reason they won’t is because the roll out of a militarized police force in the name of safety and security is now an accepted norm in America.


The rest is here...

www.blacklistednews.com/Many_Bostonians_...478/0/38/38/Y/M.html

But then again, the only other choice these policemen would have had, as so accurately implied by I-baster, would have been to go down dressed in pyjamas. And that would have been silly. ;)
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Its easy to name call but those 'sheep' lived through those events and the police and FBI put the work in and caught the guys behind it. Showing their appreciation seems like the right thing to do even if you hate cops generally speaking.
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www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/dzhokhar-...ng-article-1.1322828
'He was just relaxed': After attack, Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev partied, went to gym

The 19-year-old UMass-Dartmouth sophomore acted as if everything was normal following the attack, friends said. Tsarnaev was described as a nice kid who liked soccer and never shared any radical ideas

He was hardly running scared.

As authorities worked vigorously to identify the culprits behind the carnage at the Boston Marathon, 19-year-old suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev acted as if everything was normal.

The sophomore attended a party two days after Monday’s bombing. He hit the gym. And he went to his dorm room at UMass-Dartmouth for a night’s rest, according to reports.

“He was just relaxed,” a student who claimed to be at the same party Wednesday night as Tsarnaev told The Boston Globe.

But Tsarnaev and his 26-year-old brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, became the nation’s most wanted men when a campus police officer at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology was shot dead Thursday night — at their hands, police said.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev was killed during an ensuing shootout with police, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was finally captured Friday night after a daylong manhunt outside of Boston in Watertown, about an hour north from his college.

But as the rest of the country wanted to know who could have planted two deadly bombs that killed three spectators and injured more than 180 people, Tsarnaev was apparently keeping up appearances.

“He had the balls to come back and act like everything was OK, like nothing happened,” friend Andrew Glasby told ABC News.
Glasby said he lives a floor above Tsarnaev and they happened to talk a day after the bombing.

“I thought it was just regular old Jahar,” Glasby said, referring to Tsarnaev’s nickname. “We had a typical conversation, he was not startled, he was not scared, he was not anything. He was just the same old Jahar.”

UMass confirmed that Tsarnaev was on campus Wednesday, and that his access card swipes showed he visited the gym and went to his dorm room that night, ABC News reported.

Glasby said Tsarnaev even offered to give him a lift to his family’s home on Friday.

“I was just shocked,” Glasby said after hearing his friend was identified as the alleged bomber. “Shocked is the word for it. I did not expect it. This was out of nowhere.”

Tsarnaev enjoyed playing intramural soccer and soccer video games, listening to hip-hop and using marijuana, although he said he had stopped smoking this year, Glasby said.

He never spoke about radical beliefs or political motivations, friends added.

www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/22696...-were-in-my-cab.html
7/7 suspects were in my cab

Taxi driver Paul said: “They didn’t have any cases — just one piece of hand luggage. Shakil didn’t seem to have a care in the world.

“He wasn’t twitchy or nervous and he was talking to the other guy in English as well as talking to me.

“He said he was going to see his dad because he was ill and hadn’t seen him for eight years.

“He said his dad was a millionaire and was living in the mountains.

“His friend was sitting in the front but didn’t say much.”

When I heard there had been arrests at Manchester Airport it registered with me because I’d been there in the morning.

But I was stunned when I realised it was Mohammed who had been arrested.”

During the 55-mile, £60 taxi ride Paul chatted to Shakil about race and religion.

Paul said: “He was saying he didn’t have a problem about Asians and whites marrying.

And in the past he never seemed particularly religious. He said if he wanted a drink he’d have a drink.”
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The night before terrorists struck New York and Washington, three men spewed anti-American sentiments in a bar and talked of impending bloodshed, according to a strip club manager interviewed by the FBI. John Kap, manager of the Pink Pony and Red Eyed Jack's Sports Bar in Daytona Beach, said the men made the claims to a bartender and a patron. "They were talking about what a bad place America is. They said 'Wait 'til tomorrow. America is going to see bloodshed,"' Kap said.

He said he told FBI investigators the men in his bar spent $200 to $300 apiece on lap dances and drinks, paying with credit cards. Kap said he gave the FBI credit card receipts and a business card left by one man and a copy of the Quran that was left at the bar.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2034892...ckers-Las-Vegas.html
The 9/11 Vegas mystery: Why DID hijackers visit Sin City five times before attacks?

Ten years after 9/11, a key question at the heart of the plot remains unanswered - why did the terrorists spend so much time in Las Vegas?

Police went to tremendous lengths to piece together the hijackers movements in the days, weeks and months before they crashed airliners into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Despite checking out thousands of leads in Sin City, police never came up with a definitive reason why ringleader Mohammed Atta and his Al Qaeda accomplices visited Las Vegas as many as five times before the attacks.
Maybe because they're not Muslim extremists and the whole thing is bullshit? Or maybe this was the reason?
'Unlike most people who visit hotel/casinos that replicate the Pyramids, Europe or the New York City Skyline, the leaders and their logistics men stayed at the not-so-glamorous end of the Las Vegas Strip, at cheap motels guaranteed not to have surveillance cameras.

They stayed briefly, only as long as it took to exchange important information.'
Of course, they could have just not trained in the United States in the first place, never even reaching a competent level as pilots, before leaving a string of clues behind them! Like the passport that survived, while all the building were pulverised to dust!

I'm sure the majority of people will suck up this latest FBI explanation, though. "Right, well, we've definitely aided and abetted terrorism in the past, that's a fact, but we've investigated further, and we've come to the conclusion that we're not involved this time."

So we can rule that one out completely. All that remains to be seen now is whether the federal government, which is hugely guilty of war crimes and terrorism itself, wishes to pass any more legislation like the PATRIOT Act, John Warner National Defense Authorization Act, unconsitutionally and illegally wirelessly wiretap people, intercept phone calls, emails and constantly monitor Internet activity, and so on, for absolutely everyone in the United States, and whether the police want to abuse these unconstitutional powers over and over again to target everyday Americans. They probably won't extend their completely unjustified and brutal policies of rendition, torture, indefinite detention of terror suspects, rabid drone bombing, etc, this time, but who knows, the good old government might just throw that one into the mix just to keep things interesting.
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Two Explosions at Boston Marathon 22 Apr 2013 18:19 #409

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"mindless sheep, mindless zombies, brainwashed robots "
Hey Gilly thanks for the article, though at the moment this language, attitude towards masses of people is confined to a small and insignificant number of people, what worries me is whether it will become a popular or worse still dominant view.
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The problem with the Constitution is that it's about 200 years outdated :)
All that remains to be seen now is whether the federal government, which is hugely guilty of war crimes and terrorism itself
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Mike wrote:
"mindless sheep, mindless zombies, brainwashed robots "
Hey Gilly thanks for the article, though at the moment this language, attitude towards masses of people is confined to a small and insignificant number of people, what worries me is whether it will become a popular or worse still dominant view.

'Passive consumers' is more accurate and harder to argue with!
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i-baster wrote:
Its easy to name call but those 'sheep' lived through those events and the police and FBI put the work in and caught the guys behind it. Showing their appreciation seems like the right thing to do even if you hate cops generally speaking.

Had I been writing that article, I personally would not found more tactful ways of referring to the level of naivety that led them, imo, to behave like that. I don't think it's fair to call them sheep & names of that ilk.

Funny how you were professing so indignantly earlier that nobody should have to prove themselves innocent, yet here you are applauding the police for their actions, whilst completely ignoring the point raised in that article that not one shred of concrete evidence has been presented by the FBI that those people had anything to do with it. Very flaming funny!
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The night before terrorists struck New York and Washington, three men spewed anti-American sentiments in a bar and talked of impending bloodshed, according to a strip club manager interviewed by the FBI. John Kap, manager of the Pink Pony and Red Eyed Jack's Sports Bar in Daytona Beach, said the men made the claims to a bartender and a patron. "They were talking about what a bad place America is. They said 'Wait 'til tomorrow. America is going to see bloodshed,"' Kap said.

He said he told FBI investigators the men in his bar spent $200 to $300 apiece on lap dances and drinks, paying with credit cards. Kap said he gave the FBI credit card receipts and a business card left by one man and a copy of the Quran that was left at the bar.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2034892...ckers-Las-Vegas.html

I though this had been confined to the dustbin years ago? If memory serves it's supposed to have been Atta except he was elsewhere at the time.

What I don't get is why stuff like this is supposed to mean anything about anything -
7/7 suspects were in my cab

Taxi driver Paul said: “They didn’t have any cases — just one piece of hand luggage. Shakil didn’t seem to have a care in the world.

“He wasn’t twitchy or nervous and he was talking to the other guy in English as well as talking to me.

“He said he was going to see his dad because he was ill and hadn’t seen him for eight years.

“He said his dad was a millionaire and was living in the mountains.

“His friend was sitting in the front but didn’t say much.”

When I heard there had been arrests at Manchester Airport it registered with me because I’d been there in the morning.

But I was stunned when I realised it was Mohammed who had been arrested.”

During the 55-mile, £60 taxi ride Paul chatted to Shakil about race and religion.

Paul said: “He was saying he didn’t have a problem about Asians and whites marrying.

And in the past he never seemed particularly religious. He said if he wanted a drink he’d have a drink.”

Well yeah. If he's a wannabe terrorist is he really expected to go round launching into tirades about how the Umma have fallen into a state of Jahiliyyah under the malign influence of the materialistic West? He's not going to tell the taxi driver Yeah mate. I'm a fanatic. Just on my way to training camp to learn how to kill kaffir innit The more regular and moderate you seem, the more forgettable you are. It's elementary common sense. KGB agents didn't go round wearing furry hats and calling everyone comrade and serial killers tend not to wander round with a glazed look wearing bloody overalls and brandishing a knife - they pretend to be normal so they don't get caught. If I were planning some kind of anarchist bombing campaign, the first thing I'd do is shut the fuck up about anarchy and tell everybody I was a staunch supporter of Ed Milliband.
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You do know now you have to hope nowt happens to Milliband or you'll be getting "a knock"?! :couch:
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Its easy to name call but those 'sheep' lived through those events and the police and FBI put the work in and caught the guys behind it. Showing their appreciation seems like the right thing to do even if you hate cops generally speaking.

Had I been writing that article, I personally would not found more tactful ways of referring to the level of naivety that led them, imo, to behave like that. I don't think it's fair to call them sheep & names of that ilk.

Funny how you were professing so indignantly earlier that nobody should have to prove themselves innocent, yet here you are applauding the police for their actions, whilst completely ignoring the point raised in that article that not one shred of concrete evidence has been presented by the FBI that those people had anything to do with it. Very flaming funny!

He is the suspect they have based on their investigation. They are building their case for court not for you or I. The problem most conspiracies have to deal with is just that. They don`t have an obligation to try and prove their case to every conspiracy theorist on the internet. We should face facts and the fact is that no matter what evidence there is people are always going to spin it into a conspiracy. You provide photos then they must be fake, you provide witnesses then they must be actors etc etc. They probably see that as a waste of time.

Recent examples I have noted is how certain people focus on parents claiming that the brothers are patsies or friends who describe the boys as normal nice guys. They ignore or deny the uncle`s statement or any other information that might lead to them being guilty.

If this were all a set up I am assuming you have a conspiracy narrative? Why were these guys set up and why did it play out how it did?

I think if you are hunting somebody and they don`t step forward to clear their name but instead shoot at you and throw explosive devices at you then it is safe for police and FBI to go out on a limb and say they found their guy or certainly somebody who did something that they don`t want to be picked up for.

Rights are important even if the person in question is guilty. We can discuss that all day long in fact I think he should be treated just as any other suspect should be treated until guilt is proven, even then I would not expect much from the system. This guy will probably be executed and those conspiracy theories will continue on until the next big news story comes up then it will go on the list of crimes by the FBI despite not being proven.
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your source needs to be a little more factual than just a gary johnson facebook page. The guy is a failed Republican running as a Libertarian.

Foreign policy is a problem that is perhaps behind a lot of terrorism. Unless you agree with WUB that it is all done by the FBI, either way I would like people to provide evidence please.
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your source needs to be a little more factual than just a gary johnson facebook page. The guy is a failed Republican running as a Libertarian.

Foreign policy is a problem that is perhaps behind a lot of terrorism. Unless you agree with WUB that it is all done by the FBI, either way I would like people to provide evidence please.

Would you also like the feds to provide evidence or do you trust them implicitly?
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oioioi wrote:
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your source needs to be a little more factual than just a gary johnson facebook page. The guy is a failed Republican running as a Libertarian.

Foreign policy is a problem that is perhaps behind a lot of terrorism. Unless you agree with WUB that it is all done by the FBI, either way I would like people to provide evidence please.

Would you also like the feds to provide evidence or do you trust them implicitly?

Well of course but they would not be taking part in a forum debate. They would have their evidence for court. I just think that if you are taking a specific view and expressing it then you should be willing to provide facts otherwise it is just opinion. I am just seeing the other side of the coin on this one. The police and Feds had a job which they did. The guy will get a trial but it might not be public. That doesn`t automatically mean anything sinister but it will be seen that way to some. Yes chickens do come home to roost but that might not even be the issue here. For all we know there could be other reasons nothing to do with jihad. I think you should always question but that doesn`t mean never accepting the answers.
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