I've not been keeping up to date with this for the last couple of days, but spotted this article, which seems interesting...

FBI Casting Set Stage for Boston Marathon Bombing, Shootout, Charade
April 20, 2013

Source: Tony Cartalucci, BLN Contributing Writer

Update: CBS reveals in their report, “CBS News: FBI Interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev 2 Years Ago,” that the FBI initially attempted to deny any contact prior to the Boston bombings with slain suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev. It was only after Russia’s RT publicly pursued the storythat the FBI finally admitted officially it had.

The implications are that the FBI knows Russia both possesses information on the case and is prepared to go public with it. For those involved in America’s terror racket, now would be a good time to divest. For those involved specifically in the Boston Marathon bombing, now would be a good time to come forward with information. Any and all involved, in whatever capacity, wittingly or unwittingly, stand to become scapegoats in order to save the FBI, DHS, TSA, and other federal agencies clearly engaged in a massive coverup.

The Boston Police and a slew of “reputable” mainstream media outlets had reported earlier that the two suspects involved in a deadly shootout near Boston and suspected to be involved in the Boston bombings were, missing Brown University student Sunil Tripathi, and Mike Mulugeta. The International Business Times reported in their article, “Boston Marathon Bombing: Indian-Origin Sunil Tripathi One of Alleged Suspects,” that:

Boston police on Friday revealed the names of two suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing, one of whom is an Indian origin person, Sunil Tripathi, reported CBS-affiliated television station WFSB.

The other suspect named in the case is Mike Mulugeta. On Friday morning, it was reported that police arrested one of them.

Where did CBS hear that “Boston police revealed” this information? CBS News would then blame the entire shift in narrative on “social media” and in particular, Reddit. Sunil Tripathi mysteriously disappeared in mid-March of 2013, leaving his personal items in his room. The FBI had been involved in Tripathi’s case, as reported by New York Daily News in their article, “F.B.I. joins search for Brown University student Sunil Tripathi, who has been missing for more than a week,” which reported:

The F.B.I has joined the search for a depressed and possibly suicidal Brown University student, who has been missing for more than a week, and have expanded their area of interest to the Northeast corridor.

Sunil Tripathi, 22, was last seen on the Providence, R.I. campus around 11 a.m. on Saturday, March 16. His cell phone, wallet, ID cards and bicycle – his main form of transportation – were found in the apartment he shared with other Brown University students.

It is not uncommon for the FBI to aid in searches for missing people, especially if the search involves multiple states. However, that this false lead, and the allegedly “confirmed” identity of the Boston bombing suspects, both involved cases the FBI was working on prior to the Boston bombings and the subsequent deadly shootout and manhunt, raises immense suspicion. Here’s why...

The rest of it's here...

www.blacklistednews.com/FBI_Casting_Set_...461/0/38/38/Y/M.html

This anti government media is really picking up, everything is kind of merging it appears to me, mainstream culture is becoming more influenced by Conspiracy Theory, Glenn Beck, "The Industry" etc while the Conspiracy Genre has become more mainstream, the Alternative media, Alex Jones on TV etc.

Thanks for the links!

Mike wrote:
I agree with that assessment... any thoughts as to why this phenomenon?

novum wrote: I have some thoughts, I think the rise of conspiracy mysticism the new age religious stuff and various new superstitions are in direct conflict with the growth and mass availability of scientific knowledge, I'd consider scientific knowledge quite empowering and New Age mysticism quite dis-empowering.
Politically it's similar, I'd say CT in general has become a vehicle for reactionary/conservative perspectives and policies to gain popularity, world government is viewed as an exclusively negative thing, reverting to a more National/Traditional form of culture preferred, "malevolent influences" on the youth through music and entertainment are demonized, reverting to the gold standard, the abolition of debt and blaming of capitalisms ills on a small minority of bankers is certainly more en vogue now in the mainstream than at any other point in my life.

I think all these things and more signal that Conspiracy Theories are part of a developing conservative trend in the US and UK, supported, educated, agitated, radicalised and funded by private interests who are in direct conflict to present Social Democratic reforms ongoing in America and the world, ie Carbon emissions reform, EU banking reform, Gender Politics reform, etc, viewed in this way from the position of the Conservative establishment, people like Alex Jones and David Icke, the large swathes of people they "inform" are a slowly building, covertly organised "fifth column".

Mike wrote:
Very interesting post about the conspiracy genre mike & novum....

I thought in 2007 the genre of conspiracy theory had more Anti-War liberals than pro gun conservatives...

But i could be wrong or that might have changed now since Obama is president and Bush is gone...

I agree that the likes of Beck mentioned above and others are funded/supported by private interests.

However im not convinced that any opposing forces are not self serving either.

Rather I consider the possibility that we are looking at a power struggle between wealthy individuals/families/associates/allies who have differing interests and viewpoints, and all are wanting to build a fifth column perhaps.

You mentioned Carbon reform, and yes many are suspicious of this as we know... what are your thoughts for example about the suspicions people have in regards to the likes of Goldman Sachs and NM Rothschild banks having a large stake in carbon markets? Seeing the likes of Bill Clinton devoting his post political career to essentially promoting carbon trading, and knowing that Goldman Sachs were contributors to the Democrats when he and Gore were in office. There are those who think Clinton does this for personal gain of course, and even worse has been said about Gore, and his involvement in the chicago climate exchange (CCX) , not to mention the banks themselves, who are there to make money for their shareholders.

If you ever watch The Daily Show with Jon Stewart for example, you cant deny there is suspicion about Goldman Sachs, and sarcasm, heck GS seems to be a staple of Stewarts comedic fodder (along with taking the piss out of Beck). There is alot said about GS of course, even this twitter feed has taken off... twitter.com/GSElevator

Do you know about Field Fresh corporation in india, farming on a massive scale set up for export to first world countries/supermarkets, using cheap third world labour, with investors such as EL Rothschild teaming up with walmart india to modernise and expand the operations and building energy consuming cold storage infrastructure to assist in export to first world supermarkets? The owners of EL being pro carbon reform and good friends with the Clintons co-incidentally... and also co-incidentally, some of their competitors in food production being forced out of production in first world countries due to not being able to compete with rising costs that have come about from recent environmental reforms introduced by the left, one of them being carbon taxes contributing to much higher input costs.

Do you know that the largest potato and onion producers in the southern hemisphere for example are now having to operate in an economy where a price on carbon has been introduced and is law, where criticism of it by industry leaders and company directors can attract fines of up to one million USD, whereas corporations such as Field Fresh who are funded by wealthy bankers and their companies do not operate under the same rules in third world countries to produce the same thing.

The result of some of this is that local food production is being eroded, despite millions of litres of sustainable irrigation water being available in the carbon taxed places, along with plenty of arable land and sunlight, and it is being replaced by food shipped in from other parts of the world, china and india for example... food which undeniably has a much higher carbon footprint. Is this good policy in your view in regards to carbon emissions? And it is especially ironic when these exporting companies have undeniable links to those who are actively pro carbon reduction.

What would you say to people who have these suspicions that these things are more than co-incidence and are by design? And that big business is taking advantage of the environmental movement.

Novum how do you think the average person should help local food production fight against GS & TPTB?

If you feel its off topic cut & paste what you just said into a new thread so it does not get lost in this one.

Well that's a quality piece of conservative analysis that kinda goes with the point I was making, it interests me that you focus on Clinton, Gore, Goldman Sachs and Rothschild specifically, members of the "liberal establishment".
Where is this? i wouldn't say there is a leftist government in power in the World at the moment.

I look at it as business not a conspiracy, so things are by design, design being money making, possibly medium to long term, it would surprise me if wealthy people weren't involved in all these new business ventures, all these new industries, it would surprise me if illogical decisions regarding crop rotation, outsourcing, importing, cash cropping etc weren't being made in the pursuit of profit.

I'm not fully aware of the specific circumstances or companies you bring up to make your point, I'd wager there will be NGO and perhaps even governmental organizations that echo your concerns regarding the excesses of Business, this lady is one of my favourites:

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I dont think you can get more off topic than what i did above

To answer the question re supporting local production... buy local, local markets, and/or from small growers or grocery stores where possible. Avoid the big chains, and their own brands also. Look into where the food you buy comes from. Many smaller producers might even sell things online or on ebay, because they cant get a foot in the door in the big chains, who only stock and deal with huge suppliers.

Easier said than done of course, for many reasons, convenience for one, price also being a factor for some... the big guys can afford to lose money on things for a while just to wipe out the little guys, they sell stuff cheap which entices customers, and call it loss leading. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_leader

The reasons the big multinationals exist at the end of the day, is that people support them on the retail end.

Mike wrote:
Obama would need to president for at least 20 years to bring a leftist government to power in the World...

novum wrote:
I'd say big business has adopted two strategies:

a/Pump money into 'independent' global warming denial bodies to muddy the waters and make out it's seriously contested by the scientific community a la the Koch brothers and Exxon. Conspiracy scene falls for this hook, line and sinker, declaring something govts have prevaricated about for a long time (I remember global warming being talked about in the 80s) is a 'deliberate scam'.

b/Ensure any measures introduced work directly to your competitive advantage. It is irrelevant as to whether they actually help address the issue in any, way shape or form as long as you make lots of money.

The end result in either case must be business as usual. The future consists of profits for the next quarter. All else is irrelevant. Any crisis is simply an opportunity for new markets, markets you will dominate.

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Mike wrote:
Yes, I focused on one aspect that is a staple of conspiracy/truth movement... carbon taxes, and Rothschild, a decent part of David Ickes presentations for example, and brought up one real world example as to why people in my real world around me are suspicious of carbon reform.

Im using this as an example because I feel that it is an area where people have picked up on contradictions, i will try explain what im getting at now...

Do you not agree that people who are not self serving will be dismissive of carbon reform when they see big business involved in this way? Particularly when, imo, the people who would typically be more likely to support such reforms tend to be self descibed left of centre, your labor party and green party types in australia for example, who are also supposedly/historically opposed to big business, big banking, monopolies/cartels and so on.

I certainly feel that more people who come from a broader range of political ideologies are dismissive of carbon reform because they see big business and banking involved in this way, than what would be the case if they didnt observe such involvement.

Mike wrote:
Australia... where the labor party and the greens party are described as left.



www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/julia-and-bo...6bqphm-1226016383225

Mike wrote:
Sure, I tend to see it this way also... i tend to be more "its all about the benjamins" than "its all about the lizards and satanists" . In fact having people view primordial human nature as a conspiracy is in itself detrimental to seeing the reality imo... but i feel that this (an overarching conspiracy rather than human nature) is something that is pushed by some in the conspiracy/truth genre.

Mike wrote:
Yes ofc concerns have been raised, enquires have been had in the senate and so on... nothing ever really comes of it though... a bit like the Iraq war inquiries and so on perhaps.

novum wrote:
Is it safe to say that is where we stand at this point in time in our current world of conspiracy theory?

Basically a simple battle for the poor to try any way possible to bring justice upon the ultra wealthy who cause them to suffer?

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I guess that depends on which forum you are on for one thing.

In some places its a battle between 'good' people and demonically/reptilian possessed bad guys.

www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunda...?pagewanted=all&_r=0

You make a good point it's something green campaigners activists and reformers should have pre-empted and possibly be more vocal about their critique in this regard, but they need businesses, investors, industrialists, money men etc involved for it to work, as someone fairly concerned about the environment and pollution etc, i'd like to see every business, every money man, every investor getting into the Green industries etc, it would mean progress wouldn't be so frequently stalled.

The greens I would consider Leftist, Australian Labor I'd just assume was like UK Labour, Leftist historically, neo-liberal/centrist now, i think there is a tendency in many people to assume the name Rothschild=Child raping satanism must be going on, I don't really buy that, i think most conspiracies are built on a flimsy base and with prolonged meetings and discussions most conspiracists I've spoken to come round to a far more fluid, adaptable, dialectical view of events.

If any CTer read this in the Jerusalem Report they'd automatically assume Rothschild was lying/acting:I don't necessarily think that's so, and I really don't for one minute think Rothschild is as culpable as employees/traders/managers/directors of various high street banks for the economic problems, Thatcher/Raegan/Bush/Blair did more than Rothy imo to determine economic events of the last few years.

novum wrote:
Yea, now that's truth....

Mike wrote:
agreed.

North Caucasus rebels deny link to Boston attack

By Dmitry Zaks (AFP) – 1 hour ago

MOSCOW, Russia — A prominent rebel group from Russia's North Caucasus on Sunday denied any link to the deadly Boston Marathon bombings that have been blamed on two ethnic-Chechen suspects.
"The command of the Vilayat Dagestan mujahedeen... declares that the Caucasus fighters are not waging any military activities against the United States of America," said a statement posted on the rebels' Kavkazcenter.com and Vdagestan.info websites.
"We are only fighting Russia, which is not only responsible for the occupation of the Caucasus, but also for monstrous crimes against Muslims," the rebels said.

Both sites are viewed as mouthpieces of the North Caucasus guerrillas and are banned from being cited by the Russian media.
US news reports had earlier said the FBI was studying possible links between the two main suspects -- brothers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev -- and the Caucasus Emirate movement led by feared warlord Doku Umarov.
A statement issued by the FBI on Friday said Tamerlan had been questioned by the US authorities in 2011 at the request of a foreign government later identified as Russia.
The FBI statement said Moscow believed Tamerlan was "a follower of radical Islam and a strong believer."
But the agency at the time time "did not find any terrorist activity" associated with the older brother and dropped its investigation.
The US media reports said authorities were now especially interested in the Vilayat Dagestan offshoot of Umarov's group.
But the rebels in their statement argued that Umarov never targeted foreigners and did not view them as a threat to his dream of establishing an Islamist state across the southern swathes of Russia.

The rest is here...

www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/AL...88282300d99320f1.4d1