Frog wrote:
domathy wrote:
Solutions? Clearly you never heard him speak, as he says people have to organize themselves and not comply with the system. What would people say if he was offering solutions? That he is trying to be a leader of a movement. Not to mention making himself a Target for inciting riots. He advocates civil disobedience, but that would be taken out of context, AP's would riot and he would take the flak. But ultimately he says civil disobedience aka LAWFULREBELLION is the way to crash the system. Shit its boring stating the obvious to you guys. And as for him repeating old info, well what new info is there to discuss ffs its still the age old conspiracy, which ever angle you take. New people to this 'scene' just want the overview which I think is what icke presents at his talks. And how do you know attendees won't be going to lawfulrebellion meetings too? Out of interest, what is your take on the moons anomalies?
"Clearly I haven't heard him speak" humm that's a pretty dumb arsed statement! He does state that people should not comply with the system! Yet he complies with the system especially areas of the system which offer a cash reward. I thought Icke proclaimed he was free from worrying about what others think of him. Why does a solution require an incitement to violence? Are you saying that the only solution that Icke could put forward involve violent action? The issue isn't the fact that it's an age old conspiracy it's the fact that Icke has a tendency to sell himself as an original thinker, while he repeats the thoughts of people he has previously studied. He is a plagiarist. There will be people at the Lawful Rebellion meetings who are aware of Icke. They are the people who have moved on to something positive and proactive. What Luna anomalies would you be referring to?
LesleyPumpshaft wrote:
Yup, that's why I'm not going, it's not just that, but also the price of travelling there. Thanks for the lawful rebellion link. Hopefully they'll do something in Bristol soon
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We ALL comply with the system to some degree. I pay car tax and fuel VAT - but if my fellow humans got off their ass too, I would stop doing so in a flash. I might feel a bit alone if i decided to not pay my car tax to try and make a point (not because I "care about what the DVLA might think of me", but because they have the power to cause me huge inconvenience under the current system. So we all have to play their game to some degree, until the day comes that we ALL dont)
Yes, he says people should refuse to pay their mortgage en masse etc. But if he started trying to organize people into groups and take action on things, all that would be needed is a few agent provocateurs, some media coverage (problem, reaction, solution) and the solution would be to shut Icke down. So he says we have to figure it out ourselves. which brings me to the next point, which is that yes, people read his books and move on. Ickes work is primary school/first grade stuff, and people have enough and move on. I dont see how that is negative. If people read Icke,, then felt motivated to get off their ass and go to a lawful rebellion group then its a mission accomplished. Or even if they thought he was a shill so went to a lawful rebellion group for mor substance - then its still mission accomplished. Either way, icke gets peoples feet in the door of 'questioning everything' (including questioning him) and the fact remains, he introduces the most number of people to investigating the nature of reality.
This is the moon stuff (just notes im afraid but you get the jist)
Irregularities:
Moon is too big and too far out.
Moon has such shallow craters.
How can the moon sustain its bulge.
Age of moon rocks.
Moon is inside out.
Mysteries of Maria and Mascons.
Dry as dust-but there are clouds of water vapour erupting from the surface.
Moon vibrates like a gong.
Spaceship moon
The moon is bigger and lighter in mass than it should be, it’s massive. It should be about 30 miles in diameter-but is 2160.
No magnetic field-yet rocks are magnetized. Large circular areas of high density and higher gravitational pull-once believed to be oceans, appear artificial, very few on dark side of moon.
Rocks on the moon of 4.5 billion years old-that's 1 billion years old than the Earth, said the whack theory does not make sense and the Earth has all the iron and the moon has none.
Coincidences
The moon is 400 times smaller than the Sun, at the solar eclipse is 400 times closer to the Earth-this makes the moon appear the same size as the sun. When the sun is at its lowest/weakest, the moon is at its highest/brightest. Both set at the same point on the horizon at the equinoxes and opposite points at solstices. We never see the dark side due to synchronicity of the moons rotation-it rotates on its axis in about the same time it takes to orbit the Earth. Very slow rotation-one turnover every 27 Earth turns. The Earth rotates 400 times faster than the moon and turns 40,000 km on its axis in a day to the moons 400 turns. Earth spins 366 times in one solar orbit and polar circumference of the Earth is 366 times bigger than the moon. Circumference of the moon is 27% the size Earth and the Moon makes 27 turns per orbit of Earth,.
Multiply circumference of moon by that of Earth= 436, 669, 140KM. Divide by hundred= 436, 669-the circumference of the Sun which is correct to 99.9%. Divide circumference of the Sun by that of the moon x 100 = circumference of the Earth. Divide the size of the Sun by the size of the Earth and x 100= size of the moon.
Precision of the proverbial Swiss watchmaker.
Moon, Earth and Sun encoded with unit of measurement called the megalithic yard. I.e. used for measuring stone circles etc.
Structures were built to observe movements of Sun/moon etc-but how would they know the circumference?
Hollow moon
It is known that the core is far less dense than the outer layers-it may have no core at all. But a natural satellite cannot be hollow.
It has only 60% the density of the Earth. The moon may not have a core or is partially hollow.
They crashed a lunar module causing impact equal to 1 tons of TNT. Shockwaves built up for 8 mins- moon rang like a bell 30 min. Another module equal to 11 tons of TNT-the moon reacted like a gong-vibrated for three hours and 20 min to a depth of 25 km. The moon wobbled very precisely as if it had big hydraulic dampers struts. The moon was hit by a meteor equivalent 200 tons of TNT-massive shockwaves deep into the interior...... but none came back!!
The outer surface of the moon is very hard and has minerals like titanium. Moon rocks contained processed metals including brass and Mica, and elements uranium 236 (radioactive waste found in spent nuclear fuel and reprocessed uranium) Neptunium 237-byproduct of nuclear reactors-neither are ever found naturally. They also found iron particles that never rust-that doesn't happen naturally.
The moon is a spacecraft
Hollowed out using nuclear drills and poured radioactive metallic slag onto the surface.
Artificial Sputnik
Filled with fuel and machinery. The hull is supertough-double layered and 20 mile thick-then a loosely packed covering (about 3 miles thick) where the lunar seas and craters are- in some cases non-existent.
The moon is inside out. The outer layer is tough-hence why craters are so shallow. The outer layer acts as a buffer. Rocks contain titanium, chromium, and zirconium-refractory and mechanically strong and anticorrosive properties. Very resistant to heat and wear. From an engineer's point of view, superb construction.
10 x titanium as Earth rocks. Maria Plains are the size of Texas and covered with fluid titanium. (Protective coating was damaged and repaired with liquid titanium.)
The age of the moon dust can be explained by space travels of the moon.
Large bulge on dark side-the immense hull of a spaceship.
Unexplained eruptions of water vapor i.e. there is an atmosphere that sustains life inside.
The death Star
The moon and phobos= spaceship/base/modus operandi of the reptilians.
Water and resources taken from the Earth to moon and Mars. Zulus confirm this.
Sumerian accounts of Anunaki say they came to mine gold. There is no gold in Fort Knox-just tungsten blanks.
Arrival of the moon ended the golden age-ancients blame the serpent gods.
War in the heavens-planets between Mars and Jupiter was destroyed to become asteroid belt, solar system totally disrupted. The Earth turned over i.e. when moon Drew close and moved again to adjust its position. Created seasons-hence 'gods talk to people about the seasons'(why would we need to be taught?)
The placement of the moons dictate the speed of Earth rotation and angle at which it rotates-22.5° from vertical. This angle create the four seasons (before the moon there were no seasons)-influences the tides and the water in our bodies too.
Dictate our relationship to time. Months= moonths i.e. based on moon cycles.
Humans are from Orion
from a world among the stars. A paradise world with red rocks, Earth, sand, seas. Credo says is the real Garden of Eden-survivors banished for their greed and lust after a war between man and woman. Zulus call planet Matfieng/Lord of the flies-insulting depiction of the survivors (Beelzebub also Lord of the flies) survivors were brought here in the moon.
Calling cards of the gods.
There are lots of unexplained structures on the moon-a 'bridge'12 miles long. Hundred 50 obelisks-huge shadows cast by spires. Others are taller than the tallest buildings on earth-two or three times taller and much lighter in colour than surrounding lava fields.
Strange lights on moon. Astronauts reported object 25,000 mph heading to moon emitting radio signals.
Moon base.
Photographer "discovered a base on the back side of the moon, geometrical shapes/towers, spherical buildings, tall towers at radar dishes. Some structures half a mile in size. Some look like cooling towers. Some are very straight and tall with flat roof. Some were round and domed structures and new UFOs get airbrushed out. (Not a base, but it's an entrance to the moon)
The moonsters
reptilian headquarters. Also have interdimensional portal that allows fourth density reptilians to enter third density. Then via spacecraft/teleport-still cocooned from third density, two locations under the Earth. The third density reptilians are part of this too. Genetic manipulation experiments with abductees, also genetically manipulated royal bloodlines at the moon.
Monarchy/moonarchy.
The fake moon landing
secret government including ex-Nazis longer have access to flying saucer technology.
The first moon landing was a total fraud. An Exposé says Kubrick directed the 1969 moon landings in a studio. Kennedy was shown flying saucer technology after his election and realise potential for other uses i.e. cheap benign energy for everyone. Soon after JFK made a speech asking NASA to land a man on the moon before the decade was out-ploy to get them to release technology to fulfil the vision.
In return Kubrick negotiated unlimited budget for 2001 space Odyssey (and allowed to make any film he wants with no oversight). Same special effects and visual anomalies seen in moon landings and space Odyssey.
Long list of contradictions in lighting etc. He purposely included anomalies so the truth would later be uncovered.
Kubrick died in 1999 after showing 'eyes wide shut'to Warner Brothers. Tom Cruise/Kidman-story of Satanic mind control. Film release date was 16th of July 1999-30 years to the day after moon landing.
Ancient confirmation
Moon='chariot' of the gods/Goddess.
Zulu say the moon is hollow and home of the Python and moon was brought here 100 generations ago by two brothers (corresponds with Anunaki - Enki&Enlil) Zulus say the brothers stole the moon in the form of an egg from a great fire dragon and emptied out the yoke.
Semiramis came from the moon in an egg that fell into the Euphrates at the time of the first full moon after the spring equinox.
Reptilians created by the Sun to cause havoc for creation 'given authority to really mess things up in the universe'. Change rotation and angle of Earth 'Earth turned over'. Brought tidal systems, women didn't menstruate before. Moon stops Earth getting too fertile and moon/Earth in a silent war.' The moon, out of jealousy is a bad sister'. Reptilians threatened to take the moon away if humans didn't do what they are told.
Before the moon there were no seasons and the planet was permanently surrounded by Canopy of water vapor. People did not feel the fierce glare of the sun and could only see it through a watery mist. That was beautiful, a gentle place, lush and green and the fury of the Sun was not there. Then the water canopy fell to Earth as a deluge of rain when the moon came.
The moon was the Ark in the Bible where new genetic material was saved-an new post-flood, genetically manipulated version of man went forth.
Reptilians manipulate from the moon where the Python lives-accounts warned to never upset the moon. The sun is forgiving but never the moon. Moon was built faraway to travel the universe.
Accounts :Reptilians come to earth in saucers. Moon is a 'magician'.
Accounts say reptilians come to Earth at the full moon when Satanic rituals abound and legends say people become vampires and werewolves.
. (he hedged his bets there in case you didnt notice) But has Icke got stuff wrong? Yes(more so in the early days when he was 'unstable') Has he got lots right? yes. Is he an agent of the NWO? We dont now.
