dogsmilk wrote: Well, people who don't know me one way or another would have nothing else to go on if I didn't challenge it. That's all I'm concerned about.

Anyway, I've got to go now, I believe I've made how strongly I feel about this quite clear!

@thoreau generally agree with what you have to say, not just here but pretty much always. It is just personally offensive to me to have someone say that I "gave a platform" to racists. This was explicitly stated. I will not stand for this. Obviously, the person who is giving a platform to racists is the person who runs the site and lets it go on unchallenged. It's totally inappropriate and offensive for me to have my name linked with it, and possibly even more so for andyh, especially based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever, especially from someone who doesn't know me, especially when I've explicitly stated in the very same thread that I abhor racism, and especially when I gave him every opportunity to retract the statement, and / or apologise, and he did neither, and had a go at you instead!

I cannot accept that this was some sort of mistake due to unclear prose, it was quite malicious putting my name in there, and I was very angry about it, as it goes against everything I believe in. I couldn't give a shit what anyone says about me, and I have been called every name under the sun on the DIF, but I do reserve the right to be annoyed when someone specifically implies that I am accepting of racism. Nothing could be further from the truth.

oioioi wrote:
That is your interpretation which is a matter for you to deal with - cap 'n fit springs to mind. If you feel you fit under the generalisation of some one with extreme views that's you choice. I'm sure you would have a better idea than me about your own views and intent.

Which seems to raise the question of what's your point? Frankly I couldn't care less how you rationalise your shit.

Frog wrote:
You're making less and less sense of late frog.
I wouldn't say its easier to explain it but it'd help clarify somewhat.
An extremist could also be a religious one for example, but then we just dunno who the hell we're talking about do we?

andyh wrote:

Frog wrote:


Sorry what was it we were discussing again?

Good to see Flyermay, mushroomhead and Dogsmilk over here too

Totally agree with the OP and title, when I was mo0n5tar I was arguing and debunking their bullshit since 2007 with many others, some of them here, however I was banned, for logging on incorrectly to ES's account 5 times, they called it hacking, i was just trying to shut him up for 15 minutes, when I joined in 2011 as Guevarista, I was arguing their bullshit since day one, all the same posters from 2007-09, or posters wearing obvious sock puppets, then I was banned, after about 2 years, they decided to check my IP and discovered I was a formerly banned member..

Along the way I did many many threads on White Supremacist, Racist, Right Wing, Conservative Christian input to the Conspiracy genre, John Birch, Veritas foundation, Archibald Ramsay and British Fascism etc, each one less popular than the previous, conversely threads against the Jews, I was aware of and debunking as mo0n5tar since 2007 sprung up every few months, and subjects like the holocaust -while I was guevarista- were guaranteed thousands of copy paste replies to build a case against the jews,

So I think this is deeper than merely the Icke forum.

I think Conspiracy as a genre is born of the ruling classes to sustain class distinctions and create new ones.

andyh wrote:
My comment was directed explicitly in response to one poster to that poster in response to their posts preceding my post. See if you can manage to work it out.

andyh wrote:

Why the long face?

Guevarista wrote:
so thats where you went

and you once fed me a bs story then as guevarista, on DIF that you 'knew' moonstar and what he was up to.

now i understand why

Frog wrote:
I couldn't thats why I asked, lol

Guevarista wrote:
You were mo0n5star??

I never knew that.

You legend.

dogsmilk wrote:
Never knew that either...

Anthony65 wrote: Agreed on all points
Agreed on all points
This is where we start to diverge. The actions of a lot of these extremists have very profound effects in the physical world and on people's lives. I will not take this opportunity to to recant incidents of murders and beatings but they are real and do happen, frequently. Your position appears to be one of let them get on with it Mine is one of continual vigilance and when needed, physical action to stop these things spreading
I don't agree with all of this. I don't think the "bad guys" give a fig for the "truther movement" whatever that is

I don't see anyone tarring the good posters at the DIF with the Nazi brush. Neither do I think your comment about "saving truthers..." has any basis in reality.

I've got no urge to squabble with you, I just disagree with you that the spread of the far right is a "petty" issue. I hope you'll have a rethink about quitting SZ over this one point of disagreement.

dogsmilk wrote:
What I said was I think you guys are just as much to blame for forum disruption at the DIF, as the Nazi's were. I never said once that I tried to rationally discuss things with gonzo, hadaka, tinyint, etc, nor did I think they needed love and respect. Understand, I felt you guys were about as irrational as they were. That's pretty much it. mushy figured he's attempt to twist what I was saying, and make it stick -- he couldn't do it. He was ridiculous. If he's actually gone, good riddance. One down, ya know? I see you, boots, and flyermay are here.... I felt about as warm and fuzzy as I would have if gonzo, eternal spirit, and hadaka signed up with lightgiver bringing up the rear. Lots of fantastic circular arguments that go nowhere could commence. Whoop de fucking doo.

We'll see how it goes. I hope you guys aren't here to be disruptive. It's a pretty good forum, don't fuck it up. And all that.

dubmeup.... wtf is up with ratting out the DIF?? There are good people on there too...... it's about Sean, then keep it about Sean. Congrats bud, really good job. One hand clapping for you bro....

novum wrote: I apologize
"Live by the foma* that make you brave and kind and healthy and happy"
The Books of Bokonon I:5

*harmless untruths

ronisron wrote:
That's a sensible and level headed response roni, and wake up bomb btw, and exactly the point I was trying to put across when I posted on the other thread. Being honest I havn't got a problem with some of you guys here, you were always caught between the crossfire not wanting to take sides, I know that. I can see also that things did get a tad out of hand with all the infighting. It's a real shame really because most of us share the same basic interests I feel. I may be wrong but that's just my sixpence here. Speaking from my own perspective of the oneupmanship etc, I took issue with some of the underhand tactics and blatant misrepresentations of the guys you mentioned and their little group. Which is the main reason why I took sides with the pro-revisionists. true a handful were nazi's, but that's their business not mine, right. Some of these guys need to learn not to deal in absolutes, for instance just because some of us choose not to believe the 6 million figure does not = nazi. I see that simply as guilt by association, which is wrong, and supposedly these guys are against generalizations, they could have fooled me. They're only against it when it';s other people making them, that's the truth. I was accused of being KKK because of my PC thread, which is complete madness and some of us quite righttfully took issue with the non stop insults and slander, can anybody blame us? I havn't come here to start a fight with anybody I'm really not interested (not refering to you or wake up bomb) I know you already know that. I'm refering to others who jump down peoples throats using ad-hom and misrepresentation ad naseum, as a debating tactic. I've no time for them sorts anymore whatsoever, no matter what bloody forum they're on. Anyway there you go, that's my views in brief.

andyh wrote:
Never mind I'm sure people can form their own opinions which is really the only thing that matters.

EDIT: Added for clarity...ronisron wrote:
Seems as though the person addressed managed to comprehend what was said.

ronisron wrote:
Thing is Ron, there is an argument people feed them by arguing with them. On the other hand, if nobody says anything they get a free ride, so it's a catch 22.

But when you do talk to them, you're not going to get anywhere. For my part I'll happily acknowledge I took the piss a lot. If you're going to subject yourself to these people, you may as well have some fun while you're at it. Also, putting things in stark terms presents a reality check - not necessarily for them, but for other people who might be reading. What is insidious is it becomes normailed. You spend enough time on the DIF and racism/antisemitism/homophobia/whatever just start seeming kinda...normal - you get used to seeing it. You can't let it start seeming normal.

The other thing is, you get bored seeing the same things over and over. I have a tendency to get impatient with people on the Holocaust denial stuff because I've seen the same bullshit that many times and made the same replies that many times it just gets tedious. And I get exasperated and fustrrated with people saying things like I don't believe what the history books say when they don't even know what the history books say because they haven't read them or declare they have sufficient knowledge to make grand pronouncements on events while saying stupid things like '6 million gassed' After several years of the same thing, you just lose patience.

I've made over 100 posts on this forum and I don't think I've disrupted it yet. You know why? There's a lot of things said I disagree with, but this forum isn't full of wankers. Frankly I disagree with a lot of your opinions, but I respect you as a person because you seem like a good hearted chap who isn't pushing some unpleasant political agenda. And that's the difference. We all treat people according to how we find them, though the way may react to them may differ.

Darkmoon wrote:
You did have time to tell people to stop voicing their opinions on that thread though as a 'debating tactic',.,, several times... back of yer own net.

Darkmoon wrote:
Your're resistance, right?

If so, don't give me that. You complained about me implying you were a Nazoi and within literally five minutes, you were bigging up Hitler on another thread - then quickly editing it out (but not before I'd seen it). This in the context of a thread you started with a slab of antisemitic drivel you gushed about being wonderful, then complained about people saying you were antisemitic, then flatly refused to engage in defining exactly what you thought was so wonderful - obviously because the wrong people were on the thread and would challenge you.Not to mention cooing over flymermay being censored because he was saying things you didn't want to hear - so you thanked ex sheep for his crimethink being memory holed.

I find you to be a very dishonest individual.

If you're not resistance, please disregard what I just said and accept muy sincere apologies.
If you are, nice choice of username - I wonder why you picked a user name based on that rabid antisemite you like...?