Gilly wrote: Honestly no, but I too used to spam about CT's aswell so If I was having a go at you i'd also be having a go at myself.
I got suckered in after being made homeless at 17 and living in hostels etc, I used to read a bit to try and improve my self/character etc, as you know it never worked, my studies got sidetracked by The truth shall set you free and I grew more alienated, paranoid, isolated and confused.

OK. Just a coincidence then.

irrepressible wrote:
I don't think Charles Manson was guilty of even "getting somebody else" to kill Polanski's wife, but the American justice system certainly agrees with you, I hope you feel validated by that

To me there are degrees of murder, but you've already shown you prefer to reason like a child, so ok, that's fine, yep, anybody who ever kills ANY living lifeform is a murderer.

Mike wrote:
stop waffling out of your ass...your commie philosophy will never bear any fruit, just like a rotted tree only bears rotten fruit ,will you ever learn,I would get professional help if I was you ...

Gilly wrote: Well no really, imo it's not it's more of a reflection of the popularity of conspiracy theories and decline in ontological security they provoke.

can someone put a sock in the penguins gob FFS..

Mike wrote:
He isn't thinking like a 7 year old. If you're the one who gives the order, then you've got blood on your hands. If you've ordered the deaths of people, as Stalin & Hitler did, you'd be taking the piss if you tried to exonerate yourself of blame by saying it was someone else who pulled the trigger / turned the gas tap on. How many different degrees of 'dead' do you think there are?

LightGiver wrote: Yes or send me to Gulag right?

Mike wrote:
Some theories are far fetched and silly - some are perfectly plausible - some are factual - some are based simply on it being blatantly obvious that the official explanation of things is BS.

The truth can be scary. Best not to bother looking for it if it's going to scare the bejesus out of you.

Mike wrote:
would you like to meet up to find out ?

Mike am I having this discussion about murder with a man, or with a belief system? Am I talking to you or communism? Pol
itics is not my forte but from your posts I gather you are a communist or have communist leanings?

If I had the power to send some guys around to your house to kill you, and I ordered it, I would be a murderer, it's as simple as that. Millions upon millions of people died as a result of the policies of Stalin and Hitler. Politicians still murder today, by ordering invasions of certain countries.

irrepressible wrote: All I'm saying is Irre, that 99.99999% of all states murder, order deaths, and have people killed to maintain their status quo, is this the only ciriticism you can formulate against Hitler and Stalin?
That they did more or less the same thing every other government in history has done?

Mike wrote:
Fucking hell! You almost managed to make it sound perfectly reasonable & acceptable there, for the Nazi mass slaughter of Jews, gypsies and homosexuals, and anybody who opposed it, in order to 'maintain the status quo'. *Shakes head in disbelief*

Mike wrote:
Many governments throughout history have murdered, but Hitler and Stalin did it on an incredible scale. They were genocidal maniacs.
We need a new way. We keep voting for thieves and murderers.

Gilly wrote:
I could make it sound like a distorted bird tweet, what I make it sound like is utterly irrelevant, it only appears to be people who adhere to CT logic who don't get the idea that it's automatically considered the most repulsive aspect of human society, that they can't exist without some form of bloodletting taking place.

Look at the English and European Monarchies that still exist throughout Europe, they've wiped out 95% of at least 3 distinct genetic phenotypes around the world, it's obvious and clearly the most disgusting legacy in the world far worse than Hitler or Stalin, equally as disgusting if not more so than the Roman Catholic Inquisitions in the middle ages, but it is not our sole critique of the existence of monarchy "that they killed lot's of people", it's simplistic childish and obvious, seriously try the argument with any Roman Catholic, try it with any British Nationalist, you won't win the argument, they'll say you wouldn't be sitting there typing on a keyboard if "we" hadn't dominated our competitors through violence.

irrepressible wrote: The British Colonizers are the worst in history, Stalin and Hitler weren't even solely to blame, but the Nazi's and NKVD pale in comparison to the atrocities enacted against the natives of America, Africa, Australia by the "good christians" who landed there.

I'm aware of the horrors of the colonisation of America, small pox, starving the indigenous people out of existence, etc. I was thinking about that the other day, and I didn't feel guilty because my ancestors perpetrated those horrors, I felt saddened that humans could do such things.
Human history is saturated in blood.

irrepressible wrote: Next time you're up the town look at all the people going into Primark who order the death of thousands of bangladeshi workers every year by feeding demand for off shore slave labour

Mike wrote:
'Logic' is 'logic', so let's not talk rubbish. Your meaning with the rest of that paragraph is not clear to me. It sounds like you're saying CT'ers are just not bright enough to realise it's an unpleasant fact of life that we need blood baths. I'd like to be sure I've understood you correctly before I argue the toss with you over it.
Mike wrote:
Where you say, "It's simplistic and childishly obvious", it actually isn't. The fact is that most people don't know about stuff beyond what they see in their history lessons and the popular media.

And I would certainly argue about the need to dominate competitors through violence in this day & age. It's what happens - but it's because the average decent human being would resist that, that our governments use lies & subterfuge to cover what they're really up to.

Mike wrote:
Before the collapse of the Bangladeshi factory a few weeks ago, were you even aware of that situation? Was anybody? Because what I'd like to know is, given your presumably limited income, where would you recommend that people in the UK should buy the goods they need, that's affordable enough for their survival, and ethical? Because I'm buggered if I know. And I want to be in on the secret of where all these holier than thou types do their shopping so that I too can gloat and post winking emoticons, and accuse others of being part of the problem with their shopping habits - be it groceries or clothing or any of the other necessary basics.

And come to think of it - no, I don't condone any form of slave labour, but - if those people are in such dire straits as to take on such poorly paid jobs in the first place, aren't the end users at least putting that bit of money in their pockets (which should be a bigger percentage, we know). What would their predicament (which we've no power to improve) be like if we chose not to spend money there? How would they go on if that pittance just stopped?

We can't even stop things edging towards slave labour in our own country, when you look at the decreasing wages and increasing cost of living!!!

You're seriously comparing Primark shoppers to the likes of Hitler in terms of being murderers???

If you are, I can no longer take seriously a single word you say.