Blue_Tackler wrote:

Blue_Tackler wrote:
As mentioned above I don't care if ppl wanna use the hide function.
If it makes newcomers feel more confident then go for it.

In the long run, sean will ban you off DIF, however it'll be a good thing because then you won't have to see that shit anymore

dawnbreak wrote:
But it only looks stupid to 'guests'.

Fuck em, log in.

As far as I'm concerned the fact that posters may feel they need to use that facility reflects more upon the other forum than it does upon this one.

As was alluded to earlier, that option and members only sub-forums were used to attempt to 'protect' users when this forum was first established.

We have a fantastic group of new arrivals and we've all had some fun getting to know each other these past few days, let's not risk blowing that over a text feature.

Refugee wrote:
Raising funds for TPV is more important than child abuse, if Icke and Co really wanted to make a difference they'd have used the £300.000/400,000 to pay for private investigation into such matters instead of using it for crap like the 'banned' and 'dot connecting' speculation on a pretty shit webcasting channel.

A decent journalist IMHO would have been Owen Jones instead of Sonia Poulton anyway.

Refugee wrote:
Wow - amazing info there Refugee. I agree, both those last 2 points raise a massive red flag for me. I feel sick to the stomach having been conned like this. Glad I came here though - I prefer the truth - even if it hurts. Now have even more huge respect for Iwantthetruth. - always did like his posts.

Goldenprince13 wrote:
Holy fuck yes you can't fit a fag paper between them as to their preachings (I don't get the impression most believe their own spiel) you can add dozens of names to the list too. There are only a few "Researchers" that follow their own path to me at least.

Emily Rose I remember Alan Watts saying about Michael Tsarion telling him to crowbar the Alien Agenda into his research or he'd be blackballed from the A list. Even if the story is false it rings pretty true. It really seems to be the case that there's an exclusive little club disseminating disinfo to the lowly being lapped up without any critical thinking by Scenester Truthers.

The last month has really disillusioned me and I'm sure many here and on TZ etc but ultimately it's been very healthy for wiping the fairy dust from our eyes about how this Movement has been co-opted by hypocrites. I could never be a skeptic but I'm sure a few of us might go that way (who could blame them?) but to me I'm upbeat we're starting to sharpen up and look beyond middle aged men ranting on a stage and that's nothing but good.

We're moving into a sort of "Post-Truther" Stage. We know the problems now lets find Solutions. Showmen like Icke haven't got the balls to do it as it means bags of money floating away but we have nothing to lose... Except Shagnasties.

dawnbreak wrote:
It's ok dawn, I'm not really bothered about it or easily offended.

On guard

Baddoggydown wrote:
I have been saying this for quite a while!

Enough of the 9-hour marathon lectures; and we've had it up to here with books containing scary scenarios.

What are the SOLUTIONS?? And please don't tell us it is 'non-compliance'. In most instances the means of non-compliance has long been removed. Most people (for example) pay income tax by the deduction at source - so they never even have the money in their hands - and we all have to pay VAT or we don't get the goods or services on which it is levied. Non-compliance is a non-starter.

The only way is by DIRECTLY affecting the personal interests of those individuals who call the shots. But the likes of Icke lack the courage to come right out and say this.

The human race can get off its knees but is given no guidance by these "gurus" as to what to do once they are in an upright position!

DIF poster says...
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Im finding the whole thing embarrasing. I love Ickey but even hes reactions Im starting to find disturbing. Maybe hitting out at those that appear to be threatening TPV or attacking him directly may be the right approach, but at the same time I thought Icke might be beyond that. Would it not be better if Icke and TPV simply ignored all the allegations or abuse instead of adding fuel to the fire?

I mean these latest headlines about Lee Ryan sound almost tabloid sensationalist. I never expected to see such things on Ickes headlines''
www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=267050&page=2

It's slagging of the whistle blowers. Adl is on the thread whipping up the posse, typical internet bullyboy cunt.

@Verlander
The likes of Icke only benefit from the chaos. It's not in their interest to find solutions. Icke's solution is "Buy my books".
In my opinion, we would have to start at the basics, do little by little, for our families, friends, extend to communities. Slowly but steady. If everybody did that, we would live in a better world. I know it might sound cliche, but showing love and compassion for a fellow human being is the way to go. Raise awareness. Lead by example.
Unfortunately Icke's example is not of the best, not after what unfolded in the last couple of weeks.

@Blue_Tackler
Sean is a very insecure little boy.

marina wrote: It would appear that insecurity is not without justification.
He trips from one crisis to the next.
At some point even Icke might latch on to the source of most of his grief and punt him.

I think he's been snooping here ......

PS I hope that Sonia and what's his face get a lawyer to look at what's been posted on DIF, by the vile admin over there...

Sean has no interest in making the DI community a vibrant and positive one. He wants everybody to be just like him, miserable, angry and insecure.
Instead he made the forum His Kampf, where there's only one opinion, his own. The rest - can go fuck themselves. Hence the intimidation, oppression and banning on a large scale.

It had so much potential, and things could have been handled differently. He does it all on purpose, stirs shit, manufactures the drama, he thrives on conflict, gives his life some meaning I guess. It was confusing and sad to see many of the good posters just disappear, people that made valid points, good people (thank fuck that most of them are here now)

I have no respect for Sean. He is a proven LIAR, and a cunt. I do think he is manipulating DI.

David is a bit on the sycho side, he's got blinkers on, he doesn't see what's in from of his eyes. I think both Sean and Gareth are taking advantage of him. I dunno. Just playing the devil's advocate again. However David's reaction and his skype rant makes me think that maybe he's not that innocent.

I was neutral for years, but I did respect him as a researcher. He's brilliant as a researcher (though not original) but he lacks personal communications skills. I think he should stick to what he does best, talk on the stage, write books for whomever is willing to buy them, keep his life PRIVATE. All this TPV publicity has done him no good. He should really get rid of his dodgy mates. The nepotism is really a turn off. It started a few years back when he started featuring Gareth on the front page (well, Sean did).
Those 2 are the moles, they are the sabotagers. Sean is not to be trusted. It was a mistake to put him in charge of EVERYTHING.
TPV doesn't stand a chance as long as he's in charge. I feel sorry for the people that still hold some hope and keep giving them money. They are the ones that are being deceived.

Verlander wrote:
It galls me Icke and co credit these Cretins in charge with super powers they do not and will never have. Even the most paranoid truthers fear is dwarfed by the sheer terror the Cretins have of us. We didn't put up cctv camera's,spy on Granny's emails or bug phones did we? In 9 hours of "Grumpy Old Men" goes to Wembley all it does is reinforce the dread of a supernaturally powerful behemoth targetting you. How the Hell does that new agey "We are all One" hokum at the end make up for the sheer drain of the previous 8+ hours misery? Ian R Crane does the same thing in a far more unintentionally amusing way btw lol! Most of these Guru's are Spirit Crushers and they fucking know it. They should grow a pony tail, buy a Porsche and shag women half their age and not inflict their mid life crisis on the rest of us.

marina wrote:
I thought it was a bit odd when they said that the TPV youtube had been hacked. All the content dissapeared except for the appeal video.
And when Fear&Clothing got done over I thought - "Hang on - that's not ethical'. Just one thing after another, drip drip drip.
Some poor sod on DIF has just said he's scraped the bottom of his savings account and it makes me feel so sad. But I think this latest stunt will backfire. After Davids ' I had to go home 'cause Im ill & I need yr money rant loads of ppl felt sorry for him and coughed up more dosh, but I don't feel like that's happening this time. I agree with you on who are the sabatours. Hopefully TPV will implode soon.
But not before I get my online Q&A with David Perk I hope - I want to ask a pertinant hard hitting question

I don't think that DIF or TPV is any good for Icke, or any good for anyone else. He's a partial con man partial mad man, the way that DIF admin protect his views so, stinks of con man.
The way he writes/rambles about the moon matrix stinks of mad man.

What he's done is collected information from other mad ideas, such as the book 'Who Built The Moon' and other outlandish speculations and collected them all together to make a presentation.

So Icke is the ringmaster (as a persona) who's collected all these speculative ideas and pasted them into his scrapbook to create a picture of reality that challenges what is already 'known'.

In a way, he's collected all this information and made it into a story.

It's mad because it's a mad thing to do, it's a con because he's making money out of it.

He then collects real stories that are not speculations, things about child abuse, middle east conflict, banking, political corruption, subliminal messages etc.

These things are then placed in the same story as the outlandish speculations about creatures ruling the planet from underground bases or shape shifting beings in power.

So it does not go ''shape shift, moon matrix, archon, underground base, reptilian, Icke hearing voices.

It goes Shape shift, child abuse, reptilian, banking, archon, middle east, underground bases, political corruption, icke hearing voices, subliminal messages.
Not necessarily in that order but intertwined so.
So this is the con, the mad part is the part that he believes, reptilians etc... the con is the mixing of the madness with reality.

Icke is mixing his claims of moon matrix etc... with unpopular governmental/banking policy from around the world.

This means that he's using the things that he knows people see as rotten, and mixing those issues with his speculations about reptilians.
He's trying to bring his mad ideas into the public perception by connecting them with things that people are already concerned about, that's where the madness ends and the con starts.

Although I'm still not convinced that Icke believes his own ideas, he's a bit like one of those mad artists who paints a distorted picture of reality, even though they believe in their own art, they still know it's only a context or an expression of a feeling.

marina wrote:
Precisely and the means to spread relevant info, converse and suggest solutions are already with us. Youtube and hundreds of video sites loads of social networking sites and too many other methods are here and free. There was no pressing need for tpv Controversial/edge tv was great Richplanet is great UKColumn is great but c'mon let's be honest they aren't vitally important. Truthers exist despite them.

Tpv really struck me as something nastier right from the beginning. Very "Nudge Unit" oriented. Tatchell, Porn Stars, soft questioning of pedophile enablers like Edwina, refusals of Chris Spivey and Bill Maloney, Icke edging with excitement over Steven Tyler . This unwholesome attitude didn't come from that it started innocently and morphed until it become morally corrupted. No. It was never conceived to oppose msm but to BE msm! What a calculated snide betrayal of good will! The opposite of Alchemy transforming physical Gold into Shit! Yup still angry.