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, PMgate
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PM-GATE / DAISY-GATE II

Below is the text of a screen shot of part of the mod's discussion about the reading of PM's incident.

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Dusan,

You should read my replies. I've already said i've installed this module, and i've also said that i've wanted to check out whether Gilly did send these pm's. It's been installed, it's been used, but it hasn't been used since, and it's never going to be a permanent feature.

As you are so technically savvy, surely you realise that ALL PM's are readable via MYSQL?

And IF i ever decided to have this feature as a permanent feature on the site, that would be MY decision to make. If i feel anybody is abusing the system, i have every right to use my options available to me to find them out.

As it stands, this feature isn't a permanent one on the site, and will never be used.

You've been removed as moderator.

(I'm forwarding this response onto Dusan)
i think it's time we all breathed a little.



Having the ability to read private messages and actually reading them are two very different principles. I think we were all aware that the ability was there, as many savvy members i am sure are aware - but again, utilising the ability is the key here. Having a gun and using a gun are two wholy different concepts.

Surely having the feature rallies against what David stands for? Using the feature most definately does.

Sean you said that we stand for everything David stands for, and on the David Icke forum I feel that such is a worthy stance, and a rightfull one. It should be no other way.

However I do not feel that David would sanction such measures. And indeed would be as appauled as are we all.

The PDF files show a correlation between data that suggest very strongly that privacy has been breeched toward an end - are you saying the data correlation is wrong, Sean?

It is time for us to unite in strength, Sean not divide through ego, I hope sincerely that we are able to do the former in order to grow.

Tsume is obviously finding this hard, as I am sure are well all, this is not easy for anyone, discovering something that rocks us never is, and it is good that you have taken that on board Sean, it shows your spirit and your spirit is good.
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31-12-2009, 06:39 AM
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Lee, the fact is that this "exposure" by Dusan has been done in order to stir trouble and create bad feeling.

To suggest this feature has been there for a long time is totally wrong. I'm sure he's been watching every day for something like this to occur, and since now it has, he's decided to post his findings in the most dramatic way possible.

Not once did he ask me about it.

The fact remains that Gilly was found to be breaking the moderation guidelines, and i thought this to be a good tool to use in verifying that. It's absolutely my job to do so on here, and i stand by it.

I've had the discussion with another member of the team as to whether we should keep it as a permanent feature, and it was decided that no we shouldn't.

What dusan has done here, is use a hack/exploit in the forum to spy on me doing my job as webmaster. He has completely undermined what i'm doing here, and has insulted my integrity to the point where he is no longer welcome back on the team.

I find this behavior despicable, and i can only imagine that there have been whispering campaigns going on in the background.

Like i said earlier, if anybody else thinks what Dusan has done today is in any way appropriate they can leave. There are far better ways of dealing with things like that, than accusing people of a whole load of rubbish.
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31-12-2009, 06:42 AM
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Listen Sean, mate...for the sake of Truth and for what David Icke stand's for, can we call back Alison, Gilly, Dusan and everyone else, so we can have a "clear the air" talks and get on with doing what we're here to do...PLEASE!?

Again, imho, we're all to blame for allowing this situation to get this far, including me...I wish now, I had pushed you to have that "clear the air" chat, many others were requesting a few weeks/months ago...absolutely certain we'd not have been where we are now...a bloody shame, it is...!!

Anyway, Sean...please, I urge that you, in the strongest possible terms, to re-consider you decision and re-call those lovely people...please!?

I'm more than happy to "chair" a "clear the air" debate/discussion/talk..otherwise, why not simply get David to help sort this situation out...know it's abit OTT to do so but, I can honestly see the potential perils ahead...know what I mean?

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i hope i don't have to go




i have absolutely no wish to further the division in this team or see the dissemination of a brilliant and workable team-unit any further, but in Gilly thread you yourself said that that you chose to speak to some FA’s and not others.

Yes I agree that you will run the site as you see fit, in David’s stead, as has been accepted - running the site with select advisors instead of consensus has lead us here to this place

But i stand by the things i have said, my worst fear is now being realised, that a split is occurring and i hope we can survive it as a team, and be stronger and more open because of it.

i have enjoyed being a part of the team and i hope we can continue, it has been an honour to work alongside a great group of people.

However we need truth and unity as a backbone, our very moralistic nature of the site depends on that sole premise.

In harmony we are a great team, but in discord we are surely lost to the negativity we attempt to deal with. There have been a lot of views expressed in this thread, and it is good, it allows us to learn and grown and further our understanding.

Like David has said, and like tsume has recalled, ‘Life's greatest lesson are often disguised as our worse nightmares.’
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31-12-2009, 07:06 AM
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Hi guys,

It's new years eve. I suggest (for those in the UK at least) that we enjoy ourselves tonight. I won't be on, so won't be able to respond to this for the time being.

Let's put aside our differences for now, and just enjoy seeing the new year in. I'll be back on and can talk further when emotions have died down a bit.

Happy new year all!
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Hi guys,

It's new years eve. I suggest (for those in the UK at least) that we enjoy ourselves tonight. I won't be on, so won't be able to respond to this for the time being.

Let's put aside our differences for now, and just enjoy seeing the new year in. I'll be back on and can talk further when emotions have died down a bit.

I can't hide the fact that i'm both upset and angry at the way this has been dealt with. But there you go.

Happy new year all!
You're a good man Sean...!!

Truth, Love and Peace & a Happy New Year to you, mate, I know you will make the RIGHT decision...!!

Cheers

Ps, ...finally, I can now go and meditate, thankyou...love you all...!!
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31-12-2009, 10:02 AM
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sorry to say this, but please- fuck the 'love-shmove' for now. this needs to be discussed because it is a serious matter, and now dusan has been kicked as well.


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You've been removed as moderator.

lol. gimme a break sean.

is this what you do all the time? kick people out just because they debate all your points and stand up to you?

no one has raised the bloody point: if the pm.php module was, like you keep insisting, brought in to keep track of spammers only, why were you caught snooping around gilly's inbox on the said date, checking out a pm whose ID has been specified in the pdf?

that is the question that needs answering. why were you in gilly's inbox? she is not a spammer is she? let's pretend we are living in utopia and take for granted that you only use the function to keep a check on spammers; if that is the case, why do you think we can trust you, when certain moves by you as a webmaster can themselves be deemed questionable?

and if this has happened to in gilly's case, we still do not know how many other people have had their inboxes snooped into. so what was actually needed here was an explanation.


therefore, the questions being posed by all of us are:

1. why did you use the pm.php module to read gilly's (not a spammer's) pms?

2. what, in your opinion, constitutes fairness when her ouster was decided by only you and greg- which is a minority in the FA team? how can you expect people to make sound judgments with regards to moderation when you yourself, as a webmaster, are clearly biased and prejudiced towards people in your own team?

3. why do you send pms to those who question you, or ask you for an explanation? are you unable to spell it out in the main thread?

4. why were winnie, nessa, and gilly removed in spite of the fact that there was, and is, no evidence whatsoever to back up the claim that they weren't efficient moderators?



since i am going out as well, i hope to see a balanced explanation for this soon.

if your opinions and moves here are not debatable at all, then i am sorry to say- that makes you a nazi, which is what you yourself have been advising us not to take to while managing the forum threads.




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Right!! Can this thread be closed until the new year, please...?
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Pink,

I've said what i needed to say. This isn't open to discussion. I'm here to do my job as i see fit, if you want to leave then just say. My recent actions are due to information i saw as reliable, and i did what i thought necessary in the interests of the forum.

You have no say in the matter unfortunately. And you have made your position perfectly clear.

I'm off for the evening now. Happy new year all!

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Sean, can you clarify something for me? In your initial post you said

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NO. I do not read pm's ever
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it has never been used, and i'm appalled that you think so lowly of me
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The fact remains that Gilly was found to be breaking the moderation guidelines, and i thought this to be a good tool to use in verifying that. It's absolutely my job to do so on here, and i stand by it.
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But as there was a fairly serious accusation at Gilly being brought to my attention, and as we've had a lot of problems recently with spammers, i thought this plugin could be of use.
Sean you've gone from saying "I do not read pm's ever" to admitting that you have read PMs (even if it is justified by some fucked up logic). Can you explain this contradiction please ?

One of the PMs you read (admincp/pm.php?userid=24856&folderid=0&pmid=382277 ) was a conversation between Gilly and myself on Dec 23rd. Nothing juicy to find in that one as you know but the point is by snooping in the PM inboxes of 2 mods (that I know of) you have also read other peoples private conversations by proxy (including mine). Do you see the problem here? The knock on effect that you have created? How many peoples privacy have you invaded in this little endeavour?

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What dusan has done here, is use a hack/exploit in the forum to spy on me doing my job as webmaster.
What Dusan did was use a tool that was given to him by the administrators of this forum (that's you). Anyone with basic mod privileges has always been able to see exactly what anyone is doing and what URL they are viewing regardless of whether they are in the AdminCP or not. That's always been the case so there's no need to over dramatise it with the James Bond rubbish OK. You gave us that tool, it's part of the information given out here. No different to viewing what thread someone is reading. Surely you must be aware of this?

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Sean I too would like you to answer Matt’s question. You denied looking at anyone’s private messages, then admitted to just one instance of doing it when caught and accused. Would you have admitted to it had you not been caught, and considering the shady ethics involved in this alone what reassurances do we have that you have not read all of our private messages at your own whim?

As for the situation with Gilly, you have admitted you only consulted with two other admin before making this choice, however Alison was not an admin at the time Gilly was removed, leaving only Greg. You consulted with the one admin who is a skeptic of David’s research, and a great many of the topics that we discuss on the forum heavily. Spying on people’s private messages given the stand David has made regarding “big brother” and people’s right to privacy, forces me to ask the question: do you even believe in the things David discusses? Are the most influential people regarding mod and admin actions on this forum believers in the topics of discussion here and of David’s research? Are those individuals even familiar with psychic warfare or how they might be influenced by such things? If not, then I am extremely concerned regarding the security of this forum, given the importance of it.

Why is it ok for you to spy on a mod’s private messages, but not ok for a mod to use the tools you gave them to catch you in the act? If we hold the same standards of ethics if Dusan is removed for this, I would ask that you consider stepping down as forum manager.

Why is it ok for people to post racist statements on our forum and have the points reversed in the name of free speech, but mods cannot call out admin in private mod forums for wrong doings without retribution? Sean I am sorry, but I cannot in good conscious accept and live with the fact that you have read the private messages of one of us, regardless of the reason, without speaking out against it. This is no better than the spying the intel agencies use against us all in the name of “national security”. It is a violation of my own ethics, as well as the very ethics and ideals all of David’s research and work is based upon. If you feel the need to remove me as a mod for this, I cannot stop you, but know that for me it will be a clear sign that this is no longer the David Icke official forum, but instead Sean’s official forum. Do we uphold the ideals of free speech, rights to privacy or equality? I do not believe that someone who believes it is acceptable to read someone’s private messages should be a mod let alone an admin of this forum, and I cannot remain silent on this, even if it costs me my mod position. I’m not going to go along to get along on an ethical issue such as this, because someone with authority might punish me for it.

If this forum is run by people who believe such things are acceptable I am not fighting to protect anything worthwhile. Sean if you tell me these are the ethics by which our forum is run (gross violations of privacy like reading PM’s and admin not being held to the same standards of accountability, and people not even believing in David’s research or ideas running this forum), then we have built a forum on such massive hypocrisy that, had I know this in the past, I would have never accepted the offer to be a mod. I know in my heart that even if they are remaining silent, others are thinking things along these lines.
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Gilly wrote:Sean's a liar. He didn't read my PMs because he thought I was spying on him. I never had a facility to spy on anybody, and he knows that.

I'd had a disagreement with I_Am on the mod section. One of many small disagreements. I'd told her it would make a nice change if she supported the mods for once instead of just defending herself in respect to some venomously worded complaint from a trollish member. Her response was to tell me to "Jam it up my arse", and storm off, changing her own status to premier member. Chllenging the 'Seniors' is not acceptable, and I did it regularly, because I felt that certain people constantly contradicted themselves re moderation issues, and behaved hypocritically, creating a totally unfair level of inconsistency, and rendering the underling mods confused and unable to get it right.

I knew instantly that she'd be back, and want me gone before plonking her arse back on the throne, so that she didn't loose face.

I believe that Sean was looking for some justification to get rid of me in preparation for her return.

I don't know what PM he's since claimed was the one breaking moderation guidelines, because that was never given to me as an explanation for my being sacked.

I only learned of his PM reading activites when I was already gone.

I suspect that the one in question is a PM I issued to two mods, in which I (politely) urged them to stop tugging their forlocks and profusely apologising to I_AM and posting embarrassed face emoticons, in response to her stalking them round the mod forum, criticing and bitching at them for every thing they did!

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pinkfreud wrote:hey guys!

before i start braying like a donkey on here, i want to thank IAAIA for letting us (the fallen ones as i can see we are being labelled in some places, lol) use this platform to voice our concerns and give our side of the story, even when he and this site are banned from the DIF.

...well i have to admit this whole situation is amusingly ironic i have just registered after reading some posts in this thread... and i decided whatever i'd want to post, i'd do it on ILF instead of sodlike hereon.

i had made a post on there earlier, and IAAIA had raised a few questions about past happenings on the forum with regards to moderation. unfortunately, i am not in a position to answer those questions (which i see DE had already answered for you in another thread) because i became a DIF member only in oct '08. any prior issues as far as moderation and forum guidelines are concerned are not discussed with 'new' moderators i guess. as DE has already told you before, these topics weren't raised amongst the mods, and i've caught up on a whole lot of news after checking this forum out! i had not even heard of soglad, phoenix etc. till you brought them up... so i am genuinely sorry your questions relating to back then cannot be answered by me, at least.

i am also aware that many members are concerned and disgusted because we have apparently taken to posting our views on anti DI sites. to them, i would like to say- to be very frank and open, i am not brimming with enthusiasm and rubbing my hands in glee just at the thought of posting on forums everywhere. if given a choice, none of us would have spoken out the way we did... but sadly, when we raised our voices, we were pushed into a corner and given the heavy hand. when push comes to shove, you need to grab the bull by the horns and take charge in any way you can, even if it means using a 'medium' that may not be fancied by many.

so the fact remains that though forums such as this and the others have been banned for some reason, these very people are today helping us speak out, because we could not do so on our own 'forum', with our own team. instead of shooting the messenger, i suggest that people use their discernment to evaluate the message we are trying to put across.


...with that said, if anybody has any questions whatsoever regarding this incident- please feel free to ask. gilly and DE have already done so and people may be more 'clued in' now... but if anyone still has doubts, don't hesitate to put it across so we can try and clear the air.

a big thank you for the people here once again. i will be on again in a few hours. gtg right now as i've just got back from a much needed break! ...hoping to catch up with you all soon, later tonight





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Gilly wrote:In answer to your question about Sean's privacy being violated, Runciter, that was never the case.

We all (including members) had the facility to look at 'Who's Online', and see who was doing what (as in viewing a particular thread, creating a PM, posting on a thread etc). Admittedly, I'm not very savy with computers generally, but the only difference with STRT's observation of what Sean was doing, to the best of my understanding, is that he realised what it was that Sean was looking at.

He provided me with a list of numbers that he'd witnessed Sean viewing, and asked me to hover my mouse over the titles in my PM index.

As you do this, a number, linked to each particular pm appears towards the bottom, left of the screen. It's something that I'd never noticed before.

Therefore, I was able to identify 5 specific PMs Sean had been seen reading - though there were a lot more that he'd been seen reading, which STRT hadn't recorded the numbers of. It was only when I could confirm that these numbers were linked to individual PMs that he was 100% certain of what he'd seen (although a part of each number was an index that denoted it as being linked to my username).

So in a nutshell - no, Sean's privacy wasn't intruded on at all.

I can't comment on the situation with Rodin, as I don't know anything about it, and I don't think I was there when what you're describing took place.

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haukipesukone wrote:Hey, Pink. Miss you.

You said we should feel free to ask so... this is posted here: www.infiniteloveforum.com/view ... &start=160

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Lee, the fact is that this "exposure" by Dusan has been done in order to stir trouble and create bad feeling.

To suggest this feature has been there for a long time is totally wrong. I'm sure he's been watching every day for something like this to occur, and since now it has, he's decided to post his findings in the most dramatic way possible.

Not once did he ask me about it.

The fact remains that Gilly was found to be breaking the moderation guidelines, and i thought this to be a good tool to use in verifying that. It's absolutely my job to do so on here, and i stand by it.

I've had the discussion with another member of the team as to whether we should keep it as a permanent feature, and it was decided that no we shouldn't.

What dusan has done here, is use a hack/exploit in the forum to spy on me doing my job as webmaster. He has completely undermined what i'm doing here, and has insulted my integrity to the point where he is no longer welcome back on the team.

I find this behavior despicable, and i can only imagine that there have been whispering campaigns going on in the background.

Like i said earlier, if anybody else thinks what Dusan has done today is in any way appropriate they can leave. There are far better ways of dealing with things like that, than accusing people of a whole load of rubbish.
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Who's Dusan? How did Gilly "break moderation guidelines"? Was it the PMs Gilly mentioned earlier in this thread where she questioned Sean's authority?
So it was never Gilly who was "spying" on Sean, but Dusan.




hi hauk

to answer your questions:


1. dusan is strt. personally, i do not think it was/ is right for people to know the names of all the mods, lol, coz after all i am sure they would have liked to keep it private... but i guess this 'convo' needed to be pasted for people to know what was going on, especially since many were confused thanks to the gazillion stories flying around.

2. gilly did not break any moderation or forum guidelines whatsoever. as she has already explained previously in this thread, she was vocal about some mod/ admin issues, which was not taken too well by some admins. i_am left the admin team temporarily, and gilly was ousted in order for i_am to come back as tech advisor and not have anyone question admin decisions as far as modding the forum threads are concerned. since there was no 'valid' reason for booting gilly from the team, sean used the external pm.php module to snoop into her pms, ended up reading hers, limelady's as well as logic_bomb's pms, and used CONFIDENTIAL and PRIVATE information therein to kick gilly out.

i can very honestly tell you that gilly has not sought to do anything wrong as far as doing her job as mod is concerned.

3. strt was NOT spying on sean. that allegation put forth by sean and i_am is baseless. in the convo that was pasted, logic_bomb also refuted sean's claims that strt 'hacked' into sean's account or whatever. we do not need to hack anything to view thread urls- it is a very basic function one is given when he/she is made a moderator or administrator/ advisor.

to elaborate further- again, we mods are given very simple tools which allow us to see which member is viewing which thread. we CANNOT- and i repeat- CANNOT, view private messages.

what happened here was that strt happened to hover the cursor over each name, and when he came across sean's name in the active users list, he spotted the url 'pm.php............'

strt is very well versed in software tech, and he deduced that 'pm.php' is a module used in forums to check up on private messages. this function used by sean was NOT a default option that came with the forum software. it is an 'add on', which means sean installed it later- perhaps to keep a check on spammers and trolls who were misusing the forum for other purposes.

strt found out that the url sean was viewing coincided with gilly's user ID. when we put two and two together, we came to know that sean was checking out gilly's pms. this amounted to sean severely misusing the module to keep a check not on spammers, but on members of his own moderation team- when there was absolutely no reason for him to do so. as i have said before, we still do not know how many other mods/admin and even members MAY have had their privacy infringed upon for no justifiable reason.

add to that sean first denying doing everything, then later admitting to it under the guise of 'gilly breaking guidelines' (which was a desperate attempt to make what he did look like he was doing his 'job' for the good of the forum) led us to voice our dissent and either get kicked for it, or have our posting privileges curbed.

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Gilly wrote:(Yey!) I've spotted a few members here who I know & am very fond of. I don't recognise you though, Darkcloud, but I like your style!

Haukiespoke, I was 1st out, then STRT for his computer handiwork - I think DE was next to go, then LL, who was on the verge of resigning anyways, & had posted some excellent rebellious comments. I can't remember the order the rest left in - I think it was Pinky next, who posted a blistering attack on the poor little Daisy-boy - as did they most of the others.

Those PMs were chock-full of loving messages, and good-natured banter, and when I realised he'd been in them, it fairly made my blood boil with rage, and I felt like I'd found a stalker rooting through my undies drawer!!! I'd have shaken his scrawny neck if I could have reached him!

When he'd booted me under false pretences, and refused to answer any of my questions regarding why, he tried to use a free ticket to see Icke at Brixton as a bribery! He feigned hurt indignation at my response (which I'll leave to your fertile imaginations ) such is his talent for spinning any situation to make himself appear the victim.

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G'day.

Pinkfreud was kind enough to share the link for a pdf file that I have copy and pasted the text of below.

This should clarify any lingering doubts about what took place and bring an end to speculative ideas about it all.


Private in ‘private messages’ means what?

I found out this one by accident actually. I am completely sure in what I saw and what this all means.

There is security hole on our forum, not big or dangerous one but as you will see perfect to show exactly what Sean did. When you log in, there is ‘currently active users’ page. You can go there and check. Every user has text explanation what he is doing, right next to his name and there is also small blue circle with question mark. If you hover your mouse over that ? sign you will get more detailed explanation about exact address that user looks at. So, even if admin goes to ‘admin control panel’ mode you can still see his URL (address) of the exact page that he is looking at.

Sean went to admin cp mode and his ? address showed this:
pm.php?userid=24856&folderid=0&pmid=382277

What does this line mean?

pm.php is php (php is server language) module name. This module does not install with our forum software by default and must be added manually.

userid= number is user database number. Gilly has number 24856.

folderid=0 or 1 means inbox or outbox

pmid=number is database private message ID.

Like userid, pmid is unique number. There are no two messages on our forum that have same message ID or two users that have same user ID.

Translated to non-technical language, address that Sean looked at sounds like this:
Show me personal message, user is Gilly, message number is 382277.

I could not write down all message numbers that he looked at but I managed to write some of them. They are: 382277, 376809, 372665, 367682 and 364811.

In front of several witnesses I asked Gilly to check her PM list and see if she can spot this numbers. She can do this by going to her messages list and click each of them -- if there is some match she will see same message id in her address line. I was sure what I saw but there was no confirmation yet since I could not say if numbers match or what messages that numbers represent.

All numbers matched. They were all in her message list. Private messages with the same numbers can’t be visible by any other user. Sean was reading HER messages. He was using ‘pm.php’ module in ‘admin control panel’. You don’t use admin cp to read your own messages. There is no doubt about what exactly happened. He was reading messages from user number 2436 too but I did not managed to write down message ID, all happened too fast.

You can check any word of what I said. You can check what happens when you hover here or click there. You can ask other programmers too. SEAN READS OUR PRIVATE MESSAGES. Confirmed completely and without any doubt.


THANK YOU


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bovvered - 04-05-2010, 05:50 PM wrote:David Icke allowed to advertise his silly reptilian books on the BBC ...

... immediately after the final of the World Championship snooker, an annual tournament that goes on for 17 days.

The documentary about the 1985 final between Steve Davis and Dennis Taylor was due to be screened at 10pm, but due to this year's final taking longer than scheduled, the documentary went out after midnight.

In the documentary David Icke was interviewed. He was shown in front of a shelf filled with copies of Children of the Matrix, The Biggest Secret etc. Then he was asked about the snooker whilst sitting in front of all his disinformation.

The BBC gave David Icke a free advert to millions of people.

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Icke vs Adams court transcript 2006/7 wrote:... Well, I am now trying to understand what on earth has happened here. And I ask him, "So what am I to Bridge of Love, USA, then? Just an author?" And he replies, "BOL is a sole proprietor. This way we didn't have to deal with stock and all of the complex issues. But, David, if something should happen, like I die, you get all the assets. I wanted to leave a piece for Caily" -- that's his daughter -- "but knew you would take care of her. You are the sole beneficiary. Not even Pam" -- my wife -- "anymore as you asked me to take her off and I did." ...


... Pamela Richards, who later became my wife in 2001, was already promoting me in the United States. She was already putting on events for me and has continued to do so ever since. ...


... I did all -- Under that definition, I did the promotion. I did the promotion by writing the books. I did the promotion by doing all the media interviews. I promoted myself. I do not need Mr. Adams to promote me. Pamela Richards, now Pamela Icke, has supported me in being a liaison with talks and a liaison with the media, but the promotion comes from me. I write the books. I answer the questions from the media. I attract the media as a result of being controversial. ...


... or through Pamela at her e-mail address where she deals with all my media and talk liaison. ...


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David Icke website article 2010 wrote:
FAKING IT ...


... People claiming to be on his side would be more like it, certainly from my own point of view. I have met so many people over the last 20 years who claimed to support my work, told me how important it was, and then acted in ways to sabotage it for their own ends, or to seek to exploit it financially and in terms of 'reflected glory'. ...

... The two people in my life who told me most often how much they loved and supported me, and how vital it was for humanity that my work succeeded, turned out to be the very two people who have caused the most mayhem and stress in my life and been most destructive to my health, work and finances.

My experience tells me that the motivation of both was always to exploit me financially and to promote themselves and, ultimately, to destroy what I am doing. It is no coincidence, I would suggest, that I have ended up in court with both of them, one a few years ago and the other now.

The reason this has happened in both cases is exactly the same - an attempt to part me from the vast majority of what I have earned from books to which neither has contributed a single thought or word to researching, writing or producing.

'Oh, I support what you do, so long as I get the money. And even if I do, I'll still try to undermine you in other ways, because the only show in town is me, me, me, and I don't give a shit about you or your work, so long as the cheque is in the post.' ...

... When you put together what he stole (not even including my legal costs) and add that to what the second one is now demanding, it means, if the second one is anything like successful, that the two of them will have taken the vast, vast majority of what I have earned in the last eleven years from books, DVDs and talks, etc, and I will be left with a fraction of what my efforts have produced.

Oh, yes, and, on top of all that, I will be paying a substantial monthly income to the second one until I am closing in on 70, meaning that I will be working to keep this person for pretty much the rest of my life.

Getting a job and earning their own living is a foreign language to both of them. That is what other people have to do, not them. ...

... Ain't it great when you have people supporting your work like this and saying how vital it is for human freedom? I mean, imagine what it would be like without their support.

I don't know how I would cope.

The second one, like the first, is also all love and light and everyone must be kind. But, as with the first one, it's bullshit from first to last. It is a good job dolphins don't have bank accounts or they would be hiring a lawyer as I speak.

I am so sick of the bullshit, not just from this pair, but from so many in the conspiracy and 'spiritual' 'movement'. They talk, but they don't even begin to walk.

It's all waffle, words and no actions - except in pursuit of self-aggrandisement. ...

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That'll be 4 now, Dave. Add Sean to that list, and your beloved Gareth too.

Sean seems to be acting like an out of control dictator.


Maybe we can get the US military to send some drones over to London NW1 where (I believe) he lives?

Were in the "Rumours on the David Icke Forum thread" , were deleted, I saved them before it happened for IL forum.

Originally posted by Sean
No, i'm setting the record straight. Are you implying i'm lying?







Mods have been doing that on here long after Seans 2 year old incident, its the norm.
Moderators on threads have protected individuals in the past and banned people who sought to expose them as frauds.



Originally Posted by I Am
Gee! You know an awful lot about things for a member of 5 weeks. Who's sock are you again?


Read the Pms, it's all there.

"A picture says a thousand words" they say... Team icke :

Also this:

Very effective tactic of manipulation, be it in a relationship or friendship or cult
TRIANGULATION

I would like to apologise to Musky and BlueTackler for being a mardy bitch over the whole hidden post thing.

Sorry I was a cow, it was uncalled for



On a more general note, I was getting aggravated with the hidden post thing because sometimes I just want to catch up without logging in if that makes sense?

When I log in I actively take part and sometimes I just want a nosy to catch up without logging in, that's just me though not everyone will do that way

I just felt as well that if someone was browsing and considering joining up but window shopping 1st , they wouldn't have had a clue what was going on and as someone who browses a couple of forums because I enjoy reading them I would have been put off joining if it was all 'secret' stuff

I do understand that this is a sensitive time, I think I'd forgotten that, sorry everyone

David Icke has mastered Triangulation.
He moves quickly from Victim, to Rescuer, to Persecutor.

That is a psychopath's behavior pattern.

marina wrote:
His PROBLEM -REACTION-SOLUTION
Imposed by psychopath Sean /Daisy on DIF and TPV

marina wrote:
Looks like a TA (Transactional Analysis) diagram. Am I right?

revlovejoy wrote:
I thought it was turquoise?? :

Verlander wrote:
Or:
We could impose economic sanctions to starve his supply of fiat.
Oh wait....hang on a mo......He's doing that himself

We could disseminate propaganda portraying him as a corrupt, tin pot bread head who will do literally anything to maintain control of his regime.
Oh wait....hang on a mo.....That's plain for all to see anyway

We could send in agitants to stimulate insurrection and work with native dissenters toward ousting him.
Oh wait...hang on a mo....there aint any native dissenters left is there? They're all exiled

The KARPMAN Drama Triangle
Whatever that is.
I found out about this through personal experience with a psychopath first hand, when trying to figure out WTF was going on, didn't know it was called "TRIANGULATION"
It's a sick cycle of never-ending drama and manipulation.

Google: Idealize, devalue, discard.

I was going to 'introduce' myself here in this thread, but I was mentioned by name in the Rumors about DIF thread, so I went there first. Please! Before you go an crucify me, read my posts over there!

sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/General/24696-ru...ml?start=3660#172969

sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/General/24696-ru...ml?start=3680#172998

Those two in particular. So now that you know not all is as it seems, you can make an informed decision if you'd still like my head on a pike (pun intended)

dawnbreak wrote:
And it's the weekend!

Refugee wrote:
I think the problems with TPV and the DI Forum are both interlinked. At the top of the pyramids (more irony Mr Icke?) there are the same people on both.

marina wrote:
It probably comes from this book, written by the founder of Transactional Analysis



I' m Ok you're Ok, is the ego's subtle way of saying I'm ok you're NOT Ok.

massive to you dawn

Ok doctor fish
I'll post this here too then
What's that one about?
Are you chunkymark?

I noticed that someone had posted this, it's lucky that I managed to get screen shots before the post disappeared.

Some people will post any old crap eh?