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The People's Voice 26 Jan 2014 17:34 #3681

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I too was puzzled by those accounts released by Liz Roberts. The rent for Wembley Point was definately £2,500 per month.

So, by my calculation, over a 7 month period the figure for rent in the so-called accounts should have been £17,500 not £1200?

That's an enormous slip-up!

The whole accounts are a slip up in my mind. Rent is usually charged in advance - last place I worked in finance it was charged quarterly in advance. The utilities seem really cheap for a place running 24/7 - think that was roughly what we paid for a month (office looks roughly the same size) and council tax seems to be missing from any figures.
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Personally, I would have liked TPV to succeed -.

So did I, if only for the genuine folks giving over their hard earned (and ever diminishing) cash and investing also their hopes and trust.

Me too - I was so excited when this project was announced. I donated in the first appeal and set up a small monthy payment. The first few weeks of TPV running I thought it was great. I liked Sonia Poulton (not so much Richie), but I thought it had great potential going forward and would only get beter. When Sonia left like that my spidey senses started tingling. My donations got cancelled only after I was kicked off DIF. I'm pretty sad this hasnt worked out.
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Hi Gilly,

No I'm not the same Atlantean, but use that ID on the DIF and Wordpress. I'm an ex TPV volunteer and gave Earthlinggb plenty of titbits for his blogs back end of last year. I knew alot that went on at TPV between July - October. Also having direct contact with the great man himself he has definately lost the plot!!! He even mentioned my name - Ian Kelly - in his Sonia Poulton rant.

Atlantean - Ian K

Hi Atlantean nice to see you here :D I am often on Earthlinggb's blog and mention it where I can.

I have wondered about David maybe having some kind of mental meltdown rather than this supposed adrenal fatigue he has...........


Alcohol?

Underlying mental health issues, of which David icke has a lifelong association with, excessive alcohol and stress are a toxic mix.

I know he has addressed some issues, admitting his 1991 breakdown was just that, was very brave.

Im sure Sean tabatabi will be in good health. Healthy enough to carry his recently acquired studio kit to his lock up.

Icky's not getting any younger is he? I have a bit to do with elderly people and dementia of all kind can start early on in your 50's even (maybe younger I don't know) anyway this one night this lady refused to go back into her flat and was sitting outside and she was terrified as she said there was a man in there tryiing to steal her money. Another time I was in her flat and had to sit with her until her son came as she swore there were children in her flat. Her hallucinations were so real she was physically shaking with fear. So I started wondering if all his shape shifting lizards and moon is a hologram were some kind of visual disturbances caused by dementia......

People with dementia may experience problems with their sight which cause them to misinterpret the world around them. In some cases, people with dementia can experience hallucinations.

Vision and perception

Seeing is a complicated process that involves many different stages. Information is transmitted from your eyes to your brain where it is then interpreted, alongside information from your other senses, thoughts and memories. You then become aware of what you have seen (it is 'perceived'). Problems that involve both vision and perception can be referred to as 'visuoperceptual difficulties'. As there are many different stages involved in the seeing process, various types and combinations of mistakes can occur. Common mistakes include:

Illusions – what the person sees is a 'distortion of reality'. This may result from a particular characteristic of the object, such as its surface being shiny or it being the same colour as the wall behind. An example might be seeing a face in a patterned curtain.

Misperceptions – what the person sees is a 'best guess' at the inaccurate or distorted information the brain has received from the eyes. This is usually the result of damage to the visual system due to diseases such as glaucoma. For example, a shadow on the carpet could be mistaken for a hole in the floor.

Misidentifications – damage to specific parts of the brain can lead to problems identifying objects and people. For example, distinguishing between a son, husband or brother may become difficult.

It is easy to see how these mistakes may lead to the person saying or doing things that make others think they are having delusions. However, what the person is experiencing is not a true delusion (it is not based on incorrect reasoning or 'delusional thinking') but is the result of damage to the visual system

Anything is possible. David icke was identified as needing psychiatric intervention at an early age. His 1991 breakdown was obviously that. which he now openly admits. Mental health issues, mixed with psycho active hallucinogenics bring about all manner of illusion.
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The People's Voice 26 Jan 2014 17:38 #3684

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The People's Voice 26 Jan 2014 17:41 #3685

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Just wrote my conclusions out in the comments at Mama D's
motherdamnable.blogspot.co.uk/

Comments 45 and 46.

An interesting read, Sharon. I am concerned to hear about "lawyers circling". Are you being threatened?
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revlovejoy wrote:
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atlantean wrote:
Hi Gilly,

No I'm not the same Atlantean, but use that ID on the DIF and Wordpress. I'm an ex TPV volunteer and gave Earthlinggb plenty of titbits for his blogs back end of last year. I knew alot that went on at TPV between July - October. Also having direct contact with the great man himself he has definately lost the plot!!! He even mentioned my name - Ian Kelly - in his Sonia Poulton rant.

Atlantean - Ian K

Hi Atlantean nice to see you here :D I am often on Earthlinggb's blog and mention it where I can.

I have wondered about David maybe having some kind of mental meltdown rather than this supposed adrenal fatigue he has...........


Alcohol?

Underlying mental health issues, of which David icke has a lifelong association with, excessive alcohol and stress are a toxic mix.

I know he has addressed some issues, admitting his 1991 breakdown was just that, was very brave.

Im sure Sean tabatabi will be in good health. Healthy enough to carry his recently acquired studio kit to his lock up.

Icky's not getting any younger is he? I have a bit to do with elderly people and dementia of all kind can start early on in your 50's even (maybe younger I don't know) anyway this one night this lady refused to go back into her flat and was sitting outside and she was terrified as she said there was a man in there tryiing to steal her money. Another time I was in her flat and had to sit with her until her son came as she swore there were children in her flat. Her hallucinations were so real she was physically shaking with fear. So I started wondering if all his shape shifting lizards and moon is a hologram were some kind of visual disturbances caused by dementia......

People with dementia may experience problems with their sight which cause them to misinterpret the world around them. In some cases, people with dementia can experience hallucinations.

Vision and perception

Seeing is a complicated process that involves many different stages. Information is transmitted from your eyes to your brain where it is then interpreted, alongside information from your other senses, thoughts and memories. You then become aware of what you have seen (it is 'perceived'). Problems that involve both vision and perception can be referred to as 'visuoperceptual difficulties'. As there are many different stages involved in the seeing process, various types and combinations of mistakes can occur. Common mistakes include:

Illusions – what the person sees is a 'distortion of reality'. This may result from a particular characteristic of the object, such as its surface being shiny or it being the same colour as the wall behind. An example might be seeing a face in a patterned curtain.

Misperceptions – what the person sees is a 'best guess' at the inaccurate or distorted information the brain has received from the eyes. This is usually the result of damage to the visual system due to diseases such as glaucoma. For example, a shadow on the carpet could be mistaken for a hole in the floor.

Misidentifications – damage to specific parts of the brain can lead to problems identifying objects and people. For example, distinguishing between a son, husband or brother may become difficult.

It is easy to see how these mistakes may lead to the person saying or doing things that make others think they are having delusions. However, what the person is experiencing is not a true delusion (it is not based on incorrect reasoning or 'delusional thinking') but is the result of damage to the visual system

Anything is possible. David icke was identified as needing psychiatric intervention at an early age. His 1991 breakdown was obviously that. which he now openly admits. Mental health issues, mixed with psycho active hallucinogenics bring about all manner of illusion.

Wow that is interesting. Do you have anything else on this intervention? Yes mental health, hallucinogenic drugs and a few cans of ale a night would be a cocktail for all sorts of brain activity.
I did what I thought was best at the time and when I knew better I did better. :)
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The People's Voice 26 Jan 2014 17:45 #3687

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Verlander wrote:
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I too was puzzled by those accounts released by Liz Roberts. The rent for Wembley Point was definately £2,500 per month.

So, by my calculation, over a 7 month period the figure for rent in the so-called accounts should have been £17,500 not £1200?

That's an enormous slip-up!

The studio was secured from around September 1st so probably 5 months rent so far = £12,500
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The People's Voice 26 Jan 2014 17:46 #3688

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Verlander wrote:
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Just wrote my conclusions out in the comments at Mama D's
motherdamnable.blogspot.co.uk/

Comments 45 and 46.

An interesting read, Sharon. I am concerned to hear about "lawyers circling". Are you being threatened?

I wondered that too, stay safe Sharon xxx
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aliceinw wrote:
Verlander wrote:
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I too was puzzled by those accounts released by Liz Roberts. The rent for Wembley Point was definately £2,500 per month.

So, by my calculation, over a 7 month period the figure for rent in the so-called accounts should have been £17,500 not £1200?

That's an enormous slip-up!

The whole accounts are a slip up in my mind. Rent is usually charged in advance - last place I worked in finance it was charged quarterly in advance. The utilities seem really cheap for a place running 24/7 - think that was roughly what we paid for a month (office looks roughly the same size) and council tax seems to be missing from any figures.

The figures were too quickly put together and clearly mistakes are rife in them. I don't know whether Liz Roberts has accounting experience, probably not
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The People's Voice 26 Jan 2014 17:49 #3690

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marina wrote:
" the actual studio equipment was bought from Kennington Studio's for £20,000 after it was negotiated down from £30,000."


Wow! Not 142k?

Marina go and read Earthlinggb's blog, I think they start in about October 2013, very very detailed account of the goings on including the rundown on the £20,000 studio equipment. from the TV studio in Teddington that closed down, and if I remember rightly our friend Icky knew it was closing down before the appeal started......
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The People's Voice 26 Jan 2014 17:50 #3691

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atlantean wrote:
You couldn't rent anything for £200 a month!

Ahhhhemm ....could have me for £180 :marx: :coffee:
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The People's Voice 26 Jan 2014 17:52 #3692

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entrangermercenary1 wrote:
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You couldn't rent anything for £200 a month!

Ahhhhemm ....could have me for £180 :marx: :coffee:

:O

:tmi:

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The People's Voice 26 Jan 2014 17:53 #3693

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Babs wrote:
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Hi Gilly,

No I'm not the same Atlantean, but use that ID on the DIF and Wordpress. I'm an ex TPV volunteer and gave Earthlinggb plenty of titbits for his blogs back end of last year. I knew alot that went on at TPV between July - October. Also having direct contact with the great man himself he has definately lost the plot!!! He even mentioned my name - Ian Kelly - in his Sonia Poulton rant.

Atlantean - Ian K

Hi Atlantean nice to see you here :D I am often on Earthlinggb's blog and mention it where I can.

I have wondered about David maybe having some kind of mental meltdown rather than this supposed adrenal fatigue he has...........


Alcohol?

Underlying mental health issues, of which David icke has a lifelong association with, excessive alcohol and stress are a toxic mix.

I know he has addressed some issues, admitting his 1991 breakdown was just that, was very brave.

Im sure Sean tabatabi will be in good health. Healthy enough to carry his recently acquired studio kit to his lock up.

Icky's not getting any younger is he? I have a bit to do with elderly people and dementia of all kind can start early on in your 50's even (maybe younger I don't know) anyway this one night this lady refused to go back into her flat and was sitting outside and she was terrified as she said there was a man in there tryiing to steal her money. Another time I was in her flat and had to sit with her until her son came as she swore there were children in her flat. Her hallucinations were so real she was physically shaking with fear. So I started wondering if all his shape shifting lizards and moon is a hologram were some kind of visual disturbances caused by dementia......

People with dementia may experience problems with their sight which cause them to misinterpret the world around them. In some cases, people with dementia can experience hallucinations.

Vision and perception

Seeing is a complicated process that involves many different stages. Information is transmitted from your eyes to your brain where it is then interpreted, alongside information from your other senses, thoughts and memories. You then become aware of what you have seen (it is 'perceived'). Problems that involve both vision and perception can be referred to as 'visuoperceptual difficulties'. As there are many different stages involved in the seeing process, various types and combinations of mistakes can occur. Common mistakes include:

Illusions – what the person sees is a 'distortion of reality'. This may result from a particular characteristic of the object, such as its surface being shiny or it being the same colour as the wall behind. An example might be seeing a face in a patterned curtain.

Misperceptions – what the person sees is a 'best guess' at the inaccurate or distorted information the brain has received from the eyes. This is usually the result of damage to the visual system due to diseases such as glaucoma. For example, a shadow on the carpet could be mistaken for a hole in the floor.

Misidentifications – damage to specific parts of the brain can lead to problems identifying objects and people. For example, distinguishing between a son, husband or brother may become difficult.

It is easy to see how these mistakes may lead to the person saying or doing things that make others think they are having delusions. However, what the person is experiencing is not a true delusion (it is not based on incorrect reasoning or 'delusional thinking') but is the result of damage to the visual system

Anything is possible. David icke was identified as needing psychiatric intervention at an early age. His 1991 breakdown was obviously that. which he now openly admits. Mental health issues, mixed with psycho active hallucinogenics bring about all manner of illusion.

Wow that is interesting. Do you have anything else on this intervention? Yes mental health, hallucinogenic drugs and a few cans of ale a night would be a cocktail for all sorts of brain activity.

It was recommended at school, before it was commonplace, so it must have had some very distinct signs and symptoms. His dad refused it so it never happened.

He's on record as stating the 1991 episode was a breakdown. That's why he is so angry at wogan, he considered his vulnerability was exploited, which it was. There was a lot of discussions about having icke on the show. His use of hallucinogenics are on record.
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The People's Voice 26 Jan 2014 17:55 #3694

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I think the lawyers circling is a bluff. Unless the dullards intend to fund legal action from TPV pot. Wankers begged money for legal cases against him in the distant past, then banned everyone who;d donated from DIF when they asked what was happening.

The good thing is that tit for tat isn't a legal defence, and even if you had libeled them, they've libeled you in return by publishing that you're a knucklehead etc. Get screen-shots. If William roach can win a libel claim for being called boring, you could negate their claim with a counter claim for being called names.

Tell them to fuck off.
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The People's Voice 26 Jan 2014 18:00 #3695

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David Icke's Facebook page just now. No TPV all weekend from what I can gather bits and bobs of nothingness and he has the nerve to ask if people will buy tickets for his Wembley arena show, you are having a larf ain't ya eh Dave??? :aargh:



David Icke
52 minutes ago
Have you got your ticket yet?

Join
David Icke live at Wembley Arena
25 October at 10:00
Wembley Arena in London, United Kingdom
426 people are going
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The People's Voice 26 Jan 2014 18:00 #3696

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I welcomed the project, like yourself and many others. However I knew there would be many issues that would prevent TPV from working. or being successful, "the first time around".
I have seen these projects come, go, and fail time after time - They squander their assetts on vanity projects and people or real estate.

That is why I did not donate in any form. If I had tried to warn other stakeholders or donors I would have been labelled some sort of disruption agent. So, I STFU - Sometimes, folk have to feel the pain before they reap the reward.

TPV can, and will succeed; however, the name may not survive, nor will it's abusive parents. Sounds a bit sad hey? But what really matters? a name or a result?
My Rights End Where Yours Begin so give me space FFS
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The People's Voice 26 Jan 2014 18:03 #3697

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@revlovjoy

Thanks for that info and no that kind of testing was not the done thing in our day, it was more like a TB injection and a head inspection by the nit nurse lol.
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The People's Voice 26 Jan 2014 18:05 #3698

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Post from white horse on Abusers and infiltrators thread: https://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061961244&postcount=117

Quote:
Originally Posted by i_am View Post
I have no intention of getting into a debate over this. .
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Which is kinda the point of coming to a forum for me, to learn and develop, not just to swallow whatever is served in front of us.

It is very commendable the TPV cheerleaders coming out in support - you may be perceiving this as an attack but it is not - it's pure basic journalistic integrity - Icke has made accusations that do not have any basis as far as I can see.

Still no one has pointed to anything that can be labeled as abuse from Lee Ryan towards the staff at TPV.

Lots of sliding, some guess-work and supposition, lots of posts that are irrelevant to the OP (this is not about TPV, or Ickes breakdown, or the attacks TPV are under, I am sure there are other threads for that), but NO FACTS.

BACK TO THE OP:
Where is the "abuse" from Lee Ryan?

If the abuse was in private messages and was bad enough to make front page news, then it should have been screen grabbed and saved electronically; two people have recently been charged for abuse via social media, so if it was bad enough for headline news then why not report it to authorities? If it was all just deleted, then why was it put up as headline news after the 'evidence' had been deleted. It's all just guess work and highly unsatisfactory.

This started as a vague inquiry from me, and the longer it goes on without being answered, just pro-TPVers dancing around obfuscating and sliding, the more disheartened and dismayed I am becoming about this whole situation. Are we now required to support it 100% or else shut up?

Please, don't just slide with your proTPV posts - show me the evidence that supports the claim in the OP title:
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Ickchart


...And below THE PEOPLE, is THE PEOPLE'S VOICE...sorry Sean and Icke's Voice....
A love letter to the NSA agent who is monitoring my online activity. :D


www.happyplace.com/24470/a-love-letter-t...g-my-online-activity
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Mother Damnable wrote:
Hey Yeah I'm good thanks :>)

Just wrote my conclusions out in the comments at Mama D's

motherdamnable.blogspot.co.uk/

Comments 45 and 46.

It has been lovely to watch people regain their power and freedom, hugs to eveyone for your kind hearts :>)

It is also good to watch people be able to speak out with no fear of recriminations.

As far as Dick and Shawn's lega; claims.....to claim for libel one must already have a good name, Wogan put paid to that years and years ago. Pair of pathetic little mis information muppert :killinme: :killinme: :killinme:

Hi Sharon, i have read your comments with interest, firstly david icke books was as far as i was aware run by his ex-"wife" linda and gareth is also on the 'books' , sean's magus media has a notice to strike, and im unclear how you came to the conclusion he was running the book side, i know his wife is deeply involved in the whole diabolical plan and despite the humiliation he has put her through, she is as apologetic to their agenda as it gets, and remember the isle of shite wight is a breeding ground of theosophy and satanism, i have made my feelings well known what i see about team icke, so will not repeat them again....

Also icke has "named" people who have not been charged or died, but i would suggest he was using that in order to instil a deep fear & powerlessness of a big bad system for his masters bidding which i wont go fully into here, rather than to truly effect any change in that, and it is written & he states it as "evidence" so why has he not sought to use the legal system for something that benefits humanity, rather than when he is criticised and/or questioned over team icke-mann's very control system modus operandi.... :coffee:
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