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The People's Voice 08 Jan 2014 16:42 #381

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Here is a statement about the Poulton stuff:

www.thepeoplesvoice.tv/node/801
Ladies and Gentlemen,

As a producer here at TPV and I have had to suspend my work on programming this morning in order to respond on behalf of TPV to unfounded and malicious public comments made by Sonia Poulton in relation to her departure from the station. I will attempt to answer as many of the concerns as possible which have been raised in this forum, as a result of the scurrilous, ambiguous and potentially harmful allegations which our former presenter decided to publish yesterday afternoon.

TPV would like to announce that a full cost report of expenditure from day one until the present will be made public imminently, hopefully within the next 48 hours. These will not be full audited accounts prepared by chartered accountants - those will follow in due course at the appropriate time, as this is indeed a legal requirement. It is, however, necessary to respond to allegations of financial impropriety as soon as we can, in view of our publicly funded, not-for-profit status, and the fact that you, our viewers, have funded TPV. The malicious allegations which Sonia decided to make in her statement of January 7th could be harmful to TPV, and whilst we really do have better things to do, certain things must be cleared up once and for all so that this entirely selfish attempt to slander us comes to an end.

Further, in response to unfounded speculation on this forum, we draw your attention to the fact that we are always here to respond to your concerns or questions through the 'Contact Us' button found in the 'About Us' section of our website www.thepeoplesvoice.tv. We are, of course, aware that sometimes people do not receive a response as quickly as they would wish, but please remember that we are staffed largely by volunteers, who are stretched way beyond the normal realms of expected workload, even for a TV station, and we are all doing the best we can. Apologies to those of you who may have had difficulty engaging with TPV in this way, and this situation will improve as we move forward.

Sonia's allegations yesterday are completely unfounded and made with malice. We could become embroiled in a petty mud-slinging exercise but we choose not to, out of professionalism, human decency, and the fact that we do not want to indulge in this schoolyard behaviour.

The accusations she made yesterday are untrue, unfounded and unsubstantiated, but it is easy to see through them. No names are mentioned, emotive adjectives are used liberally in an attempt to create drama, and sympathy for herself. And then there are outright lies.

For instance: the mention of a "missing camera: is used to create an impression of perhaps thirty thousand pounds worth of kit walking out of the door into someone's car boot. In reality, this was a £400 domestic handycam, which was inadvertently left on a train by one of our most valued and talented volunteers after she had been out filming. Luckily, she still had the memory card in her pocket. Sonia knew all about this, yet chose to imply a picture of endemic theft and wrongdoing.

As mentioned above, our financial statement will be available to you all as soon as possible. Close inspection of this will yield no surprises. The set up and ongoing running of this channel has been an expensive undertaking and miracles have been worked in all areas. Stories of staff and volunteers squandering money on drinks in pubs and takeaways are also fabricated. We are happy to indicate the rare instances of where we made valid production decisions on catering to anyone who is interested.

I am making this statement as a senior producer at TPV with 20 years experience in TV. As many members of the TPV crew as possible were consulted in the draft of this statement in order to ensure its veracity, accuracy and the feeling of all staff here.

A response on behalf of The People's Voice staff and volunteers. Please direct your response via the 'About TPV' button above and 'Contact Us'. Thank you for your continued support during the past few days.
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The People's Voice 08 Jan 2014 16:58 #382

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1st line, 1st inaccuracy. Shouldn't that read, 'Dear mongs' ? :rofl:

He could be telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, but my experience of the arrogance, spin techniques, lack of basic decency, and downright lies practiced by Icke & his minions lead me to suspect he's lying his arse off.

Also, it shouldn't take as long as 48 hrs (72 including the time from Sonia's statement) to falsify some accounts FFS! If there's a proper, ongoing record being kept - as per Inland Revenue's recent stipulations - it should be there ready to scan & post, so actually take minutes. And why's he offering to indicate catering costs? That should show in a statement of accounts already. Slipped up there!
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The People's Voice 08 Jan 2014 17:41 #383

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Gilly wrote:
1st line, 1st inaccuracy. Shouldn't that read, 'Dear mongs' ? :rofl:

He could be telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, but my experience of the arrogance, spin techniques, lack of basic decency, and downright lies practiced by Icke & his minions lead me to suspect he's lying his arse off.

Also, it shouldn't take as long as 48 hrs (72 including the time from Sonia's statement) to falsify some accounts FFS! If there's a proper, ongoing record being kept - as per Inland Revenue's recent stipulations - it should be there ready to scan & post, so actually take minutes. And why's he offering to indicate catering costs? That should show in a statement of accounts already. Slipped up there!

I suspect you may be right. The guy is an ego maniac and his boy doesn't sound any better.

They've been caught with their hand in the till. And the whole thing is almost as funny the skint Griffin story. :chuckle:

2014 has started well. :thumbup:
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The People's Voice 08 Jan 2014 17:44 #384

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It's astonishing how many cash cows members on that thread are still blindly defending Icke, and labeling any who don't, shills.
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The People's Voice 08 Jan 2014 17:47 #385

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I disagree with you wub. Not that it's an awful business plan but that I don't think that is the main issue.
For me the main issue here is that folk have donated to what they thought to be a worthy cause and unarguably, their donations have been squandered. It's an internet channel fps. They have no need of high end cameras etc or a studio in Wembley. They could have rented an office in Basingstoke for 20p a year and bought a £200 camcorder and achieved the same. They did what they wanted, not what they needed, to do. That's if ( and its a big if) the objective was to have an online channel to present alternative views. They opted to waste folks' donated fiat on trinkets and a salubrious location. If they then opted to wine dine and otherwise 'profit' from those donations, that just adds another face to their charlatan cuntishness.
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Gilly wrote:
It's astonishing how many cash cows members on that thread are still blindly defending Icke, and labeling any who don't, shills.

I saw one tool on there accuser a poster of defending SP because she was a blonde. :facepalm:

Proper playground level.
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Its the same incompetence at the end of the day
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Re:The People's Voice 08 Jan 2014 17:53 #388

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I've not watched it yet. I confess to being entertained by the whole fiasco. :D



*Edit* Have watched it now, and...

Oscar


...for the poor victim that he is.

If you don't want to watch it, I'll give you a summation.

They're currently under a serious attack, & everything's down. Don't know whether it's an internal problem, or an external one, but there are serious forces out there who don't want them to broadcast. :yupgrin:

Much waffle re how they've created a miracle doing what they've done on the budget - repetition of the aim to save the children & the grandchildren.

Emphasis on this money having been raised last June (no mention of the monthly DD's people have set up paying money ever since).

More sales drive - not getting the support they need & will be gone early Feb if that isn't turned around.

Refute that a single penny has been squandered. (We never thought it was a single penny - Tennents is quite pricey).

They are a limited company, with Sean as the only director because if they'd gone for a Foundation / Trust status they'd have been obliged to say nothing anti-establishment. Emphasis on there being no shareholders because of Daisy being the only director. This is misdirection. Daisy himself could be creaming shares (doubt he is at this point because they don't have sufficient funds) and you don't have to be a director to be a shareholder.

Although Daisy's been working all day every day there, he's taking in outside work to survive financially (erm, so getting up 2 hours before he goes to bed so that he can work 26 hours a day as the old sketch goes).

Sonia is pathetic - and various other emotionally delivered, rotten things, and he despairs at the human race because of anyone who backs her up. The people who donate cash to him are heroes and workers of miracles, who restore his faith in human nature.

All pretty predictable really.

Nobody's acknowledged, so far as I know, on DIF, that any old crap could be presented to them as TPV accounts, and they'd be none the wiser.
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The People's Voice 08 Jan 2014 17:59 #389

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That's the thing andy. I don't think this is incompetance. I think they've known what they were doing all along. Scamming folk.

Edit: Have now watched the vid and will just add my...
:barfonu:
To the puke pot.
Wanker.
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Gilly wrote:
I've not watched it yet. I confess to being entertained by the whole fiasco. :D


I'm 6 mins in....

:barfonu:
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oioioi wrote:
Gilly wrote:
I've not watched it yet. I confess to being entertained by the whole fiasco. :D


I'm 6 mins in....

:barfonu:

Watched it all & have a bucket full! :D

I've edited my post above to give a precis.

*Edit* And a response from Poulton to the earlier written statement...


An immediate response to the TPV statement regarding my statement issued yesterday.

Who is the person writing this? There is no name and no accountability for these words.

I need to ascertain who is the author because only then will I be fully able to assess the validity of the statement - and how well informed the person truly is.

To be clear. I have not accused anyone of anything other than ...not being transparent. People still require that. TPV's silence has been damning.

To re-iterate: only a live interview with David Icke, Liz Roberts, and Sean ADL and myself will really reveal the truth.

Today, TPV had scheduled a live interview between David Icke and presenter Richie Allen. TPV announced they would be covering the issues of the last few days. TPV also said that Richie would be taking live calls from 3.30 to answer any questions.

None of this materialised. I knew it wouldn't. I don't believe that anyone at TPV can face a live audience in this matter.

Thus the poorly worded and inaccurate statement they have released - and yet, like the first appalling statement (which we now know was penned by David Icke himself) without anyone owning those words.

TPV be real. Stop hiding behind this corporate front. Let's take it to the people, let them decide who is telling the truth of the matter.

David, Sean, Liz - you know where I am. Let me know when you are ready to debate this matter fully to satisfy the needs of all those who desire a true and open media and all those who have contributed to what they believed would be one. How's tomorrow at 5pm? My old spot.

P.S. I am blocked from The People's Voice FB page. Would someone kindly post this for me, please?

P.P.S. I am aware that Richie Allen has made some libelous comments about me and I am handling them. The only thing I will say at this moment is he has to slur me because he is compromised by living with David Icke. Its the constant issue in the office. Ask any of the staff if they have the bottle to speak up.

I have no plans to enter into a slanging match but I will respond when people are trying to destroy my hard-earned reputation, of that you can be certain.


Oh yes, and on Icke's vid above, they talk of inviting her to a televised interview.
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That's the thing andy. I don't think this is incompetance. I think they've known what they were doing all along. Scamming folk.



Edit: Have now watched the vid and will just add my...

:barfonu:

To the puke pot.

Wanker.


It could possibly be planned disaster with the idea of profiting from it, that's giving credit for some evil cunning there though :)
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Oh - forgot to mention that according to Icke, people who ask about the donations are completely fucking stupid and insane. :killinme:
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A love letter to the NSA agent who is monitoring my online activity. :D


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Dear David, give everyone that invests in your Private Limited Company by donating, shares. Do it now. If you don't do that in the light of all this, your charlatan status is proven. Give The People's Voice to the people who fund it. Simple.

Then run it in businesslike fashion.

Or. The question will always be....if there are no creditors or shareholders, what happens to the assets should the station close......say due to lack of operating funds/donations?

At the moment, I would bet that the directors would assume legal 'ownership'...

Address this question David....You know it makes sense ;)
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Gilly wrote:
I've not watched it yet. I confess to being entertained by the whole fiasco. :D



*Edit* Have watched it now, and...

Oscar


...for the poor victim that he is.

If you don't want to watch it, I'll give you a summation.

They're currently under a serious attack, & everything's down. Don't know whether it's an internal problem, or an external one, but there are serious forces out there who don't want them to broadcast. :yupgrin:

Much waffle re how they've created a miracle doing what they've done on the budget - repetition of the aim to save the children & the grandchildren.

Emphasis on this money having been raised last June (no mention of the monthly DD's people have set up paying money ever since).

More sales drive - not getting the support they need & will be gone early Feb if that isn't turned around.

Refute that a single penny has been squandered. (We never thought it was a single penny - Tennents is quite pricey).

They are a limited company, with Sean as the only director because if they'd gone for a Foundation / Trust status they'd have been obliged to say nothing anti-establishment. Emphasis on there being no shareholders because of Daisy being the only director. This is misdirection. Daisy himself could be creaming shares (doubt he is at this point because they don't have sufficient funds) and you don't have to be a director to be a shareholder.

Although Daisy's been working all day every day there, he's taking in outside work to survive financially (erm, so getting up 2 hours before he goes to bed so that he can work 26 hours a day as the old sketch goes).

Sonia is pathetic - and various other emotionally delivered, rotten things, and he despairs at the human race because of anyone who backs her up. The people who donate cash to him are heroes and workers of miracles, who restore his faith in human nature.

All pretty predictable really.

Nobody's acknowledged, so far as I know, on DIF, that any old crap could be presented to them as TPV accounts, and they'd be none the wiser.

Thanks for the summary Gilly!

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SONIA POULTON

I have been overwhelmed by the support I have received following my departure from The People’s Voice on Monday, January 6, 2014.

This is my statement of events.

During the brief period when I worked as a full-time journalist and presenter at The People's Voice office in Wembley – every week day, sometimes 12 hours a day for the period from November 18th to January 6th - various volunteers and staff made alarming comments to me about the financial accounting at The People’s Voice.

I was told that public money had been 'squandered', ‘spent unwisely’ and ‘in an easy-come, easy-go manner’. I was informed that various pieces of equipment, including a handheld camera, had ‘gone missing’. It was alleged that money had been paid to someone who did not warrant being paid and who shared a property in Wembley with David - amongst other accusations.

Given these suspicions I was not happy with David Icke and Sean Adl-Tabatabai - TPV's station manager - suggesting a second telethon on January 3, 2014. This was to raise more money for TPV following a two-week Christmas break from live programming.

I realised that the public, who had already donated far in excess of £300,000, was losing some goodwill towards TPV – and for a number of reasons.

I felt, as did other members of staff who said it to me – but did not have the courage to say it to David Icke directly - that all financial dealings should be public and transparent.

I believe, and conveyed this to David Icke, Sean ADL and Liz Roberts – in their respective roles as Station Manager and Production Manager - that all money paid out – including expenses and staff wages should be published monthly. This idea never progressed beyond the asking stage.

This, and other issues reached a head for me on Friday night when I was asked to take part in the telethon to raise money even though I didn’t know entirely where the previous public money had gone to.

I should add I refused point blank to take part in the first telethon in early November before the station had even launched. Not only was I unimpressed with some of the content of that telethon, as a representation of TPV, but I felt there was something wrong in asking the public for more money BEFORE they had seen even one programme.

So it was that I was not happy to do this latest telethon but I did it because I wanted TPV to succeed.

Despite my misgivings, I put my heart into it including organising a Question Time-style panel and a film recorded on New Year’s Eve about people who are doing important activism to make positive changes to our world.

I was, and remain, proud of this input – and output - and all the people involved in making this happen and all for only the petrol money to cover the filming.

After the telethon, I slept badly on Friday night and by Saturday morning I had sent an e-mail to David Icke outlining my serious concerns about the finances at The People’s Voice.

I heard nothing back from him. This was unusual because David is not only a prolific writer but he has always responded within hours, sometimes minutes, of my sending him an e-mail.

I arrived at the TPV office on Monday about 10am. David’s office door, a glass-type partition, was closed and I tapped on it. He refused to look up at me and kept staring at the screen in front of him.

Undaunted, I opened the door, said ‘good morning’ and asked if I could have a talk with him. He refused. He said he had to wait until Sean arrived before we could talk. I asked him when that would be. He said any minute.

Sean arrived about 45 minutes later. Liz Roberts, Head of Production, came to me and said they were ready for the meeting. Then, somewhat oddly, she led me to the darkened, sound-proofed studio where the music and performance segment of TPV is recorded.

I was uncomfortable with this as I was uncertain why we were meeting in here seeing as David normally conducts meetings in his or Sean ADL’s office, both at the end of the TPV main office.

Several chairs had been placed in the darkened studio in a semi-circle and I sat down on the chair that was most set apart from the others. Sean ADL took a seat and Liz Roberts went to get David Icke. It was silent between Sean and I and we waited a minute or so until David Icke joined us.

I could see that David was already furious when he arrived in the room. He looked how I had seen him on several other occasions when he has lost his temper with members of staff. He sat down on the chair directly opposite me and in the middle of Sean ADL and Liz Roberts and I said, ‘who’s going to start?’

David said that seeing as I was the one with the allegations, it should be me.

I told him that for the past few weeks people in the office – including volunteers and paid staff - had been coming to me and making troubling accusations about misappropriation of the funds.

I had heard stories of nights out on expenses, of many rounds of drinks and food being bought in pubs, of takeaways and alcohol being ordered to the People’s Voice by - and for - paid staff members.

There were even more outrageous accusations told to me including people who received money from TPV who had some personal involvement with David Icke.

I told David, Sean ADL and Liz Roberts that TPV was struggling financially because public goodwill towards TPV was at a low ebb because, amongst other things, a lack of transparency.

I said that I felt it personally important to see how the money had been spent up to this point – and not least because David always agreed with me about the importance of transparency in all dealings.

David’s voice was raised and he demanded to hear more of my allegations and who they involved.

I felt that this was some kind of a trap and I said I wasn’t going to name names at this stage and that I just wanted to see where the money had been spent. He refused. He said I would have to wait until the end of the year. He was furious that I dared to question the funds.

His entire attitude was indignant and outraged by my request. I asked him if I would need to put in a Freedom of Information request to get the information from The People’s Voice regarding accounting.

I was shocked by the corporate front that David Icke, Liz Roberts and Sean ADL were showing me with regard what had happened with the money and I said that I believed TPV was operating no differently – with it’s hierarchy of decently paid management, numerous unpaid volunteers and no accountability – to the corporations we despised.

It was at this point that David Icke lost his temper completely. He started shouting that I was the most divisive character that he had ever met in the media and that everyone hated me at TPV. He asked Liz Roberts to back this statement up but she couldn’t. Given that Liz has previously stated in public in the office that I am ‘an example to all of us’, I didn’t feel that she could really back up his accusation with any credibility.

This emotional attack from David alarmed me greatly. I had only asked for financial transparency and not only was he refusing to let me have this information but he tried to use intimidation techniques to deflect me from pursuing it too.

David Icke tells everyone I am a PROPER journalist. His words. When I am on air I am told he walks from office to office, pointing at the screen and saying ‘that’s real journalism’. The big problem here is

David Icke is only happy when I am investigating anyone or anything other than him and The People’s Voice.

I am not saying that anyone has carried out fraud at TPV. I have no proof of that. What I am saying, however, is that I believe there exists a cavalier attitude, at times, to the spending of public funds.

At TPV I have seen the letters of people who donate their hard-to-come-by cash. Children giving up their pocket money and pensioners contributing part of their pension. It greatly upsets me to see the laissez faire attitude towards their money.

The statement on my departure released by TPV and written by David Icke – according to Liz Roberts in correspondence with presenter Barrie Sharpe – was designed to smear me.

None of what was said even came up in the meeting yesterday morning. David Icke's statement was an affront not only to me but to anyone who supports me and to anyone who donated their time, efforts and money to TPV. Thank goodness so many people have seen right through it and reacted accordingly.

I would be more than happy to debate TPV with David Icke, Sean Adl-Tabatabai and Liz Roberts on camera and in a neutral environment. I have nothing to hide.

It is not me who seeks to take people into a darkened room away from other people in the office at the point when the person wants to address important questions about alleged financial mismanagement. I am, and remain, transparent in my dealings.

I am informed by a member of staff that there have been orders to ‘remove me’. This includes taking down a great deal of information I have conveyed on film at TPV including a video we shot on New Years Eve about children being taken into care and about people campaigning against fracking.

David Icke says The People’s Voice is about ‘the content and not the personality’. If that is so, why would he have sanctioned the removal of ‘the content’ that I contributed to The People’s Voice?

Content, I might add, that I have already copied and feel totally at liberty to post on to Youtube. I believe that the public, who paid for this, is entitled to that and it should not be stopped because of the vindictive behaviour of people who claim to know better.

I am in no doubt that David Icke shouted at me in the meeting because, rather than accept that there may be a problem of a certain culture growing at TPV, he chose to deflect the blame for his failings onto me and my character.

I acknowledge that I am capable of being a fiery character. I’ve said it on camera. It’s part of who I am but it is entirely wrong – as they suggest in the official statement about my departure – to suggest that I don’t treat people with respect.

You only have to look at the wonderful things that have been said about me following my departure from TPV. I am quite blown away by the strength of support.

So I have to ask: why would David Icke attempt to smear my character? I only asked where The People’s Voice money had gone to?

Hardly an unreasonable question, I thought, given myself – and many others - were contributing great amounts of time and money to making TPV happen.

I’m not looking for a medal but I did more than work at TPV, I have also put my hand in my own pocket and have funded a hire car, petrol, pictures and food for volunteers.

I am far from financially wealthy and I am a single parent with only my income coming in, but I have contributed what I could because I believed in what TPV was capable of.

I am deeply upset what has come to pass. It has taken me a day to compose my thoughts into any semblance of order. I believed in the capability of TPV. I don’t anymore. As it stands, it is not capable of being the true media we so desperately need in this world.

When I was sat in the meeting yesterday morning I realised that these three people before me were not capable of creating an alternative media. I knew that if I were to stay a moment longer I was in danger of damaging my own hard-won reputation of honesty and misleading the public too. I could not do that and that is why I left.

I am also upset because there are people at TPV whom I have become very fond of. Good people who want to make a better world but who are unaware – or don’t know how to deal with - the real issues of injustice right under their noses.

It won’t stop me trying to create that media I can imagine, though. I have gained a great deal of understanding of what not to do and I have plans right now how to implement my own show. I will only do this if it can be completely transparent because that is what I believe we need more of in this world. I thought TPV could offer that. It didn’t.

For the record, David Icke needs to understand that respect – as his official statement about me calls for – is a two-way street. He is so used to being all-powerful in his environment that he responds badly to being challenged.

Despite repeatedly saying that ‘presenters have free-will’ David Icke did not hesitate to make known some of his dissatisfactions with me inviting on guests whom he had fallen out with in the past.

I witnessed that side of him and so did Sean ADL and Liz Roberts. They sat back and allowed it to happen. That’s why they are still there. They do not challenge him because to do so would challenge the comfortable and unaccountable existence at TPV that they have come to enjoy.

Both Sean ADL and Liz Roberts publicly have stated that TPV may not survive beyond the end of January unless the station gets more money in. Well, as two of the people who have access to TPV's funds, they would know.

As of this afternoon I have not received the requested information on financial accounting. How difficult can it be to show how much has been donated to The People's Voice and where and by whom it has been spent?

Upon receipt of the information from The People’s Voice, I will report on my findings just as I report on the behaviour of other organisations.

The silence from the station, in response to the extraordinary support of people who are appalled at the statement issued by David Icke on behalf of The People’s Voice, speaks volumes.

This is my statement of the events of yesterday at The People’s Voice with David Icke, Liz Roberts and Sean Adl-Tabatabai. I have sent this statement to all these three people as well as posting it on my website and on social network sites.

Sonia Poulton, January 7th, 2014

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Seems someone, don't remember who, posted this statement of Sonia in DIF, and was deleted. I had to come here to finish reading this.
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I got suspended for calling out mods for lying in one of these threads and deleting posts , dirty lyin scoundrels

See post #380 on this thread. :D

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