Blue_Tackler wrote:
Call me sexist or whatever, but I can't really take anything seriously if its said by someone showing so much cleavage.

Not because I'm too busy oggling or whatever, but because the impression I get is "Listen to what I have to say, I have big boobs, look".

If she were to cover up, in my mind she'd be more credible.

I'd be interested to see what both genders make of my views to be honest,

silva!!

Whilst I can understand why people might be cynical as to why she has what looks like only a bra on, I don't think that being covered up makes someone credible rather it is what they have to say that is important.

Tbh though sometimes it does feel like women are easily dismissed by some men and some other women based purely on how they look - the way mary beard was got at for not wearing make up or dying her hair - or sonia poulton being criticised for wearing make up. If someone is very thin or slightly chubby or worse still obese their opinions are dismissed in a way that men do not seem to be - and to be honest it pisses me off no end.

thoreau wrote:
Can you understand why I would be sceptical of anyone showing so much cleavage? I'm instantly struck by the "sex sells" rhetoric, and in my experience if you need sex to sell your product, your product isn't worth buying.

Its not that I would automatically think that she shouldn't be listened to because she's a bird who wears makeup or whatever, far from it. But when I get the impression such revealing clothing is purposeful (as I do with this video) then I'm instantly sceptical and by nature don't usually entertain what's being said.

@silva I do understand where you are coming from and suspect a lot of people, both men and women have a reaction exactly the same as yours

I wish that neither males or females were objectified to the extent that what they say has more impact or less impact based on looks. Its like the silly fawning over celebrities, just because some page three girl says tpv is great that somehow her view is more valid than another non celebs view is. Similar thing imho.

SilvaRizla wrote: Bit harsh, mate, she can wear whatever she wants. We men never have to contend with anyone judging whether or not we're worth listening to on our appearance, so let's not fall in the trap of contributing to this prejudice. As it is, you've barely got any chance of presenting a programme on TV if you're female unless you look like a model. There are no such pressures placed on men, even though there is a whole strata of social programming which is aimed at men which is possibly equally destructive.

She's got big knockers and she thinks TPV is a joke....

What's the issue.

The knockers have become relevant to the thread

Daisy and DIcke

Silva may have a point, TPV has got some knockers and nobody's really listening.

I propose that she becomes thread mascot.

wake_up_bomb wrote:
True, it wasn't meant to come across as harsh, I just call things as I see them. Don't get me wrong, there isn't anything wrong with dressing nice and stuff, just for me personally, if a particular way of dressing looks purposefully over sexed it sort of takes away the message.

That goes for men as well though, granted there aren't many examples but it would be the same sort of thing if a man in good shape did the same video with his top off. The whole "look at me" thing is what I get from it, rather than "listen to me", which is how it should be really.

I'm not trying to perpetuate prejudice, but by being honest, if anything, I might just learn something or see things from another perspective.

marina wrote:

All i will say to anyone who looks at this.....not only log the outright claims made last year by beavis and butthead [including adl using the same claim of going "above and beyond" with Ofcom, which he later used on the financial transparency P.R drive......[a shining beacon says sean....,,,,,,.really ??? Is lucifer holding it ???],

Just look at all the tells they show when attempting to answer questions....as they cannot tell the truth even on the most basic of things.....they have no integrity whatsoever, and the only transparent thing in TPV is that lot as they are revealed for what they truly are, every time they show themselves or speak....and in those vids their actions speak far louder than their words.....Integrity ?....

Blue_Tackler wrote:
I might be able to do better than that for you...

There are few of the donators now rather unhappy that indigogo will take 9% of the amount raised because of the over-ambitios target:

e.g 3point5.

They have to give up 9% of that??? I thought it was only 4%.

Just looked and since they didn't meet the £400k target that means they need to give 9% to Indiegogo That's £9,300

ooooo its getting worse innit.

It probably made Doctor Fish white wash his pants though.

oioioi wrote:

psketti wrote:
I reckon he's gonna get his tits out

hugorune wrote:

Edit : too ugly Psketti had to change it, so found a more sedate one :

lol

Why the edit?