Focus wrote:
Please yourself.
Your 'one post'
Focus wrote:
Not all cars i.e foreign, old cars etc will necessarily show on the register.

Your vehicle may not have been registered before with DVLA if it’s:

a brand new
a kit car
imported
been rebuilt or radically altered
an old or classic vehicle
If you buy a brand new vehicle, the dealer will usually arrange for it to be registered. For all other cases, you’ll need to follow the process below.

www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/new-registrations
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Is part of the very derailment that you called for to halt, you escalate the 'derailment' and then ask for it to stop?
And of course your post was an attempt to display that the cars could have existed without registration, you only called 'thread derailment' when it was pointed out that the categories that were listed in your post did not apply to the so called 'Peugeot silver hatchback with a so called 2002 Cardiff registration mark.
It's not a classic/oldcar, not brand new, not import, and very unlikely been rebuilt or radically altered, and not a kit car.

So then and only then you call 'derailment thread jack, or what ever, only after it's been shown that your post was shown to be a rather poor attempted derailment and poorly posted distraction to the the lack of evidence in the report.

Armed forces vehicles

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registrati...overseas_territories

psketti wrote:
Hi have you read the children of the Matrix book again since?
It might be quite interesting, I've thought about re-reading them as they're all easily available on pdf

Refugee wrote:


From 1963 until around 1990, in West Germany, private vehicles owned by members of British Forces Germany and their families were issued registration numbers in a unique format (initially two letters followed by three digits plus a "B" suffix, e.g. RH 249 B, then from the early 1980s three letters followed by two numbers plus the "B" suffix, e.g. AQQ 89 B). This was discontinued for security reasons, as it made them vulnerable to Provisional IRA attacks.[47] Private vehicles driven by British military personnel are now issued with either standard UK number plates (if right hand drive) or German ones (if left hand drive), although the vehicle is not actually registered with the DVLA.[48]
(From the link you posted)

So that's only in Germany?

Blue_Tackler wrote:
This appears to be vehicles used in Germany by military personnel, from 1990ish to present day.

(can't believe I'm still talking numberplates )


I just quoted the same thing BT, then it crashed & said 'YOU DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO VIEW THIS PAGE'.

Until I refreshed, thought I was back on DIF


ETA: Eh? Huh?!
Then they both post at once.....
..... we must be getting close to the truth....
TPTB are hacking us!!!!

simulacra wrote:

No I haven't, nor considered it to be honest.

Welcome to the forum

Yes Unmasked btw I lost that bit about '2002' that you quoted during an edit, refresh, I'm not sure if my internet or SZ is playing up, perhaps Oi has had a derailment at the operators station

[quote="Blue_Tackler" post=178992
Private vehicles driven by British military personnel are now issued with either standard UK number plates (if right hand drive) or German ones (if left hand drive), although the vehicle is not actually registered with the DVLA.[48]
(From the link you posted)

So that's only in Germany?[/quote]iads

And of course no vehicles with standard UK number plates,not registered with the DVLA ,(cos that's only Germany) are ever driven on UK roads?

Refugee wrote:
It's a long shot Refugee, I can see it's possible but clutching at straws.
So both cars in the report were British military personnel cars that should be in Germany but have been brought over to use in a satanic sex abuse case

psketti wrote: Thanks do you have any idea what these guys are talkin about?

BTW what is CSA?

Clues in the thread title.

Blue_Tackler wrote:
No - not claiming that at all. In fact haven't read the original article - which seems sensationalist - tho I shouldn't make that judgement without checking it out.

The point I'm making - badly - is that we first decry tptb and their control systems - then we look to those sources - like Dvla - for validations.

The fact is that military vehicles (MOD) - here and abroad are subject to different strictures - as I found out first hand. So validation - or dismissal of the ''evidence'' - isn't something we will ever have enough info on.

The nub of the matter is that the police/ security services do have that inside track - can check the detail - and we'll never know if they collude/instigate coverup - or all of that and more.

We simply know that there is something very corrupt in our society and it's getting worse not better.

And it's not corruption at the bottom of that pyramid that's the biggest problem - it's the corruption at the top.

Refugee, yes well it is different structures for the MOD.
We all know that child sex molestation/abuse occurs and is a rotten thing.

I'd like to take this opportunity to clarify a few things though....

In general about these abuses, about this case reported by Spivey, about the vehicles, about the response by posters, the lack of credible evidence and the reasonable doubt evidence,.

1) Personally I have seen no evidence of Satanic abuse in relation to child molestation, I can't say that this has never happened but it leads me towards a conclusion that it's not as reported.
I do visit a Satanic forum www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=cfrm although I'm not a member thus don't actively post.
These people imo are not creeps or child molesters, I don't know any of them personally, however there is nothing about them that would lead me to think that Satanism is a trait of child abusers or child abuse is a trait of Satanism.

2) The 'mind controlled victim' in Spivey's report is someone that can not be verified, it seem to be based on her testimony and that of the unnamed 'pals'.
And the cars are not registered, so what we have is lots of speculation based on the evidence of that which we can't check.

3) This brings me onto the cars and the 'possible' MOD connection. If MOD personnel have cars in Germany that are showing a UK registration mark, because this hides them from possible attacks from the IRA, then those cars will be registered with the MOD, the German authorities would need to have an index of them.
However if these cars were somehow driven in the UK, they would be flagged up if a police check occurred, this means that attention would be drawn towards any crime involving these cars being committed (Mind controlled sex abuse).
So it would be just as much of a risk as making or changing the number plates on an existing UK DVLA registered car.

So why go to the hassle of importing cars form Germany that belong to UK MOD personnel so that they won't appear on the DVLA register, when the same effect can be met by simply making up a registration mark.

So then we get back to this point of, we have a mind controlled victim, who's evidence can not be verified by another named person, who we don't even know exists, who has reported two cars as per their makes and registration mark, which are not registered.

4) And on top of all that we have posters including yourself (who may/may not yet have read the Spivey article in question) proposing that these vehicles could have existed under other particular circumstances and be unregistered or registered covertly.
Which to me suggests that attempts are being made by posters to bring these illusionary cars out of an illusionary concept and into reality.

When as I already stated in the context of why these cars are being discussed, it's a lot of bother to bring such cars from MOD Germany when the same effect would be made by getting a false registration mark plate made up by simply altering a digit in one that already exists.

Then we should wonder why this 'mind control victim' only remembers the registration marks from cars that are not registered?

When we look at the detail and collect data, we must change focus (yes Focus I hope you're reading) and look to see how plausible the detail fits into the big pictures that is proposed.

At the moment some posters seem to be suggesting/alluding that these Satanic mind control experts have gone to all this trouble of taking over peoples minds and have chosen to use either fake registration plates or unauthorised MOD imports, both of which are liable to attract the attention of the authorities if spot checks were done.

It seems far more plausible to me that if the whole mind control story on Spivey's webpage were true that the criminals would have simply registered these cars under false names, this can be easily done by buying them privately and giving a false name to the seller, then using the same false name when they send off the registration document.

Why criminals would risk their registration marks being flagged up during a police check as being either 'made up' or 'illegally imported' I don't know, it sound to me like a fanciful idea, and not well planned out for this 'top level satanic child molestation network of shagnasties'

I missed the car reg stuff, and have tried to follow back. I understand about organic conversations, and how the best ones often start from nowhere But as that specific discussion is continuing (apart from some excellent general posts by Focus and others on page 20 and elsewhere), maybe this now deserves a thread in itself?

I have two specific concerns that are ongoing, and if it's OK I'd like this thread to at least partially address them if possible:

1) What is the coverage of CSA (child sexual abuse) on TPV, particularly in light of the fact that David Icke himself says that paedophilia is 'the glue that holds the whole system together'? I don't watch TPV anymore so is it improving (I think we've adequately come to the inclusion it hasn't dealt with the subject properly in the past), etc?

2) If not, why not? (Plenty of mileage left in that imo.)

I would also like to know what - if anything - about child abuse is in The Perception Deception for anyone brave enough to read it (jeesh that title alone creeps me out) considering the Savile thread was so massive it was being mentioned on more or less all MSM sites as 'the' place to go to for actual information. Not supposition, smears, stuff about reptiles, and guesswork - cold hard facts and research.

Cheers!

The problem seems to be that some posters on DIF have named people that have never been arrested, some posters appear to post speculation, and when their speculation is challenged they assume the challenger to be a sheep, etc...

Who is going to keep an eye on posts, and make sure no accusations are falsely posted, names named or eluded to....?

Who is going to keep up the moral ground of Sanctumzone to ensure speculation, hearsay and gossip does not lead to false conclusions or suggestions?

Already about this stuff on Spivey's page about 'Mind controlled sex abuse' no proof exists, the cars are not registered, it's all at the moment illusion unless further evidence emerges.

We have already had posts speculating of how these 'unregistered cars' may exist, based on speculation. (guess)
We have already had post stating that tptb lied about the reasons for going to war in Iraq, therefore they are covering up the existence of these 'unregistered cars'.

What we need is factual evidence, the cars are unregistered, the 'pals' have no names, the victim may not exist, other victims in the story may not exist, instead of speculation about how these things might exist, we need to accept that they don't exist until we can prove that they do, such as 'pals' that have names that can be checked out, the victim gets a professional diagnosis about the personality alters and the cars have a registration.

We can all speculate why these things are not credible, IE the cars are from UK MOD Germany thus have unregistered DVLA registration marks.... But we don't know that do we, all we know is they are not registered. so we can only go on they don't exist until we have proof that they do.

This is a classic example of why posting child abuse posts is always going to risk a webpage forum from speculating why facts don't exist.

What we need is to prove that facts do exist or stfu.

Blue_Tackler, please start your own thread and/or ask the facilitators here to move all those car reg plate posts across there.

I don't know what all this is about but I thought I politely asked in my last post if people could do that?

There is a serious issue here.

Do others see it the same way? OK - maybe you don't - but we could take that as a starting point for further discussion forward, instead of all this stuff that is absolutely nothing to do with the OP?

I hope so. Cheers!

I'm trying to show you something, until you are able to get it, then all child abuse speculation posts/threads imo need to be suspended, these car registration points that I make are relating to speculative child abuse claims, what we have are posters speculating why these car registrations don't appear on the DVLA register, instead of assuming the story is false until evidence suggests otherwise.

This kind of stuff needs to be challenged as we don't want a forum containing posts about child abuse where the facts are based on speculation.

I did not raise the topic or post the Spivey link, nor did I speculate about how the cars involved in the report are unregistered, until the speculation ends I'm advocating a forum ban about posts relating to child abuse.

electricdreams wrote:

I realise what you're saying electric, however, you wouldn't be having an issue with the current vein of threads in regards to the licence plates if they were in favour of the original Chris Spivey article.

The link for his article that was posted, was all fine from the voices on your side of the fence (for want of a better description) until the scrutiny and legitimacy of it started to fall apart. Do you see how that looks? And if you didn't and can see it now, do you understand how important it actually is to the discussion and why?

As tackler has more than once tried to point out, these things are as relevant as the articles and stories themselves and around here, this is exactly what it will be like and what it has been like with posts such as that on ANY subject, since the place started.