Chloe wrote:
A breath of fresh air literally. Nice one Chloe. I do understand why people feel the need to point out that the skin colour of the vast majority of the rioters. The msm seemed hell bent on making sure they kept their mugshot spreads multi coloured. For me this just pisses all over the real issue, and the people. A lot of young black people in London and other UK cities have literally no hope from the moment they are born. Yes the same could be said for any other people living in high rise concrete chicken pens. I grew up in London, and I can tell you that when I was 7 years old my two best friends were black and asian. At that age, we had no idea that the rest of the world had such big hangups about our differing skin colours and cultural backgrounds. We just knew how to play happily together all through the summer holidays. That was the eighties, we were also lucky enough to escape the divide and conquer tactics used throughout the rest of the nineties and noughties. TPTB want everyone to think in terms of race, religion, etc,etc. It's a really fecking simple tactic that most of us 'truthers' are fully aware of. Divide, divide, divide.....

They don't want blacks, whites and all other ethnicities getting together, helping each other, forming strong communities, starting successful enterprises together. TPTB, want anything but that. And that's exactly what they are getting. When you program a machine to make you a cup of tea in the morning, unless you don't know what you're doing that is exactly what you will get. These people know damn well what they are doing, and their machine gives them tea every morning, with extra cream and honey to boot.

I was here in sunny Malta when the riots kicked off. I was up half the night as myself and an old school pal tried to calm and reassure another old school pal of ours, who happened to be living with her two young children near some of the worst London action. By 2am, some of the rioters had started looting houses near hers. As we tried to keep her calm, we couldn't understand why the BBC was still running the same old shit from over 5 hours ago!! In the end we had to rely on frequently uploaded youtube vids from mobile phones of people that had for the most part also realised their was a total media blackout.

My point is, for me the young black youths in London were the pawns of the game. Mark Duggan. pffff, don't even get me started on that. Has anyone been to a football match in London? They seem to manage to rustle up plenty of manpower for those. The policing on that night was NON EXISTENT. The whole thing was staged with better precision that a Pink Floyd concert ffs.

Anyways, my last thought on the race issue is this. I removed quite a few people from my facebook friend list after the riot, why? Because they were selling trainers that had been looted that night. What colour were 100% of people I removed?

WHITE.

Go figure.

Ab Origine wrote: what
you saw and what the constant commentary from media said equalled the police not reacting but reality was police were reacting but they were outnumbered and overstretched
the media probably got told not to let this info get out at the time or the riots couldve rapidly spread or it was a case of the media treating what they saw at face value ,
but it was not a case of the police standing back and doing nothing ,

as far as a preparation for the army on the streets well thats sort of true but again it has that conspiracy smell about it ,
if the police were outnumbered and in fear of losing control nationwide then of courze the army would be called upon thats not NWO
thats natural course of action in circunstances of national emergency .


facts and figures are in on this and nobody is saying it wasnt looting whats coming out is the looting was a symptom of of a sickness in society brought about by austerity measures
790,000 of the youths in areas affected werent even on benifits due to exclusions because of tax credits age and work ,
few were politically minded most just angry ,

so it was a blind rage at social conditions in the only way they knew ,
and on such a scale the police couldnt cope
it ended as quickly as it started and not through
policing .

and if it were to happen again theres more affected by austerity and the police might not be able to contain it ,

race and the nwo are no place to be seen
it crossed all ethnic boundries and tptb lost control .
if they happened again the gov woukd call for the army ive little doubt but it ould be the end of
that goverment and if it escalated i doubt very much that the army would use force on uk streeets against the people ,
the only deffense left therefore is prevention .

and how do you prevent riots when your backing half a country into a corner via austerity measures that make the last lot look like a slap on the wrist ?
well youve allready convinced the public that last time it was just about stealing ,
gov should re name riots the festival of theives
well thats what they say it was all about , stealing for stealings sake nationwide brought about by a chemtrail of mind altering gas
lol

i give up .

boywonder wrote:
comparing policing a footbal match and a riot on the streets is a bit daft ,
at a football match youve a contained crowd that is peacefull generally speaking of course

during the riots there was running battles and looting taking place and it was spreading nationwide so drafting extra police in was risking other areas being left lawless unlike when they draft in police to cover football matches from peacefull areas at no risk
it couldnt have been staged as the army was on standby to assist if needed when riots stopped
if it was staged and the nwo wanted troops on the streets and martial law the london riots served it up on a plate but it simply didnt happen , more theoretical speculation than fact based reality but who knows eh ?

on bbc iplayer theres a programme called
'coming here soon ' give it a watch
then ask yourself how could uk cope and what would goverment do if riots repeated over the same triggers again ,
can we afford to ignore truth and say it was driven by stealing alone greeks are looting shops is greece driven by stealing or is the stealing a symptom .
after riots we had massive demos in london and across uk against austerity cuts
we then had occupy camps ,
imagine the chaos if all that were on the streets at once political activists and looters sounfs like we wouldve been ahead of greece .

mushy wrote:
That is your opinion and you are entitled to it, as am I. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

psketti wrote:

In my own opinion.Well we could start with more stop and search ,we could fund the black anti gun groups.Theres alot of mothers who are speaking out about this.

I know alot of the liberal poodles dont see a problem with these black gangs culture. Im sure oi oi oi will be here again soon with his side kick feather duster

Also make it a criminal offence to be part of these gangs.Its better than sticking your head in the sand

oioioi wrote:

Im sure storm front would love a jewish member You are right in one respect its not really race its the gangster rap industry maybe this should be exposed this is the root cause of inner city gang culture.

nirvana wrote:
You that dumb? It's been explained and pointed out to you that gangs of all colours exist (some are even mixed!) and took part in the riots, you still want to focus on skin colour. Tell yourself as many times as you want you're not racist, your words and inaction betray you.

psketti wrote:

Im not blaming a skin color that is just racist stupidity. Its the gangster rap culture ,you know the young black guys that get programmed or forced into these gangs by music,peer pressure,fear ,etc. Im talking about this sub culture not the whole black race.

Then again this is only one aspect ,other aspects are poverty,being born into it {father etc is gang member etc}

oioioi wrote:

OI OI OI my dear boy have a day off racist man if you talk about gangster rap culture your racist man

What you mean subjectively my actions and words are different from yours

Your up early do you live on here? Ive got an excuse im in work.

nirvana wrote:
You're not. You're making out it was black gangs.

It's 2 hours later in foreign land, not so early.

oioioi wrote:
Most black people i know dont have anything to do with this black gangster culture. Im not blaming the black race as they are the victims from this sub culture. Lots of young black kids with no future are forced into this life by older members.
The guy that the police shot was a well known gang member who bragged about having guns etc. This is the sort of idiot who detroys so many young black guys by leading them into this gangster culture shit.

Many of his gangster mates and other gang members demonstrated outside the police station which lead to these gangs against the police ,later on other gangs started showing their support to a fellow gang member by rioting in Birmingham etc . As it escalated other people joined in for freebies,looting etc.

nirvana wrote:
I don't agree with more stop and search. This is basically encouraging the police to throw their weight around without any cause for suspicion and getting people used to them being stopped and harassed as per their whim/winds people up and leads to riots. And if we're talking gangs, the police are the biggest and most badass gang on the street. And they're running a nationwide protection racket. And hey - a lot of that gang are white.

But there already is/has been funding for anti-gang projects in some diferent areas. Probably less as time goes on as funding for pretty much everything is being slashed. If you go round different Youth Offending Services and other relevant services, they do recognise gangs as a problem and tend to be trying to work with youths about it - even if those youths don't want to know.

I think a deeper problem is nobody on the ground can do anything about the real issue - if you're facing a life on the dole or a job in McDonalds, it's a pretty appealing thought to be a big man with gun nobody will fuck with who can move into selling drugs or whatever. You can buy those expensive trainers and bling you're told are so important. Hip hop artists IMO don't help when they still sing about being badass gangstas when they're multi-millionaires, reinforcing the notion it's a legitimate career path. And it's a bit tragic too. But they don't cause it, any more than satanic metal turned everybody into bone fide satanists - for most people it's just entertainment and cool because it sounds badass. And gang members might find it reflects their lives that already exist rather than create them in the first place. People often listen to what they relate to.
When people work with these kids, they're trying to get them to go down a more regular life path. But what can they really offer them? The only real hook is that these kids often get sick of having to watch their back all the time and often don't like spending their lives in prison, but that often comes over time after they've learned those lessons the hard way. In the meantime, what is mainstream society really offering if you're poor and have no GCSEs? So say you go to college and get your GCSEs - there's no job for you or the only jobs are low paid and deemed as low status by society. Like it wouldn't be so bad if you're stacking supermarket shelves or whatever if society wasn't obsessed with SUCCESS! and made people feel they have to be constantly aspirational and preoccupied with GETTING TO THE TOP! Being in a gang is an easier pathway to status for a lot youths.
If life is all about competition and your personal aspirational crusade, then being in a gang makes a fair bit of sense - it's just the maverick pathway where the risks are high but the rewards are attainable.

dogsmilk wrote:
Yes dogs milk i agree with part of what you have wrote. But you seem abit too sympathetic to these animals. If your carrying a gun or selling heroin and crack then your are an animal. Sorry if that sounds prejudiced.

But we have to think what is good for the community these animals will just drag everyone down with them and groom young black lads into their sordid and criminal life. The rap artists that try and influence young kids should be made to pay compensation to the families it has helped to destroy.

None of us like working shitty jobs .Ive proboly got one of the worst jobs you can think off 12 to 14 hours every day sat by myself in the middle of no-where and the only communication i have is the internet forum But you have to do the best with what you have. Im only on minimum wage aswel. A shelf stacker or working in mcdonalds seems good job compared to mine

The stop and search should continue as long as these gangs are using guns.If only one gun a day or week is found then that is a potential life saved.

nirvana wrote: You too are an animal, as am I.

Hahahahahahahaha what a piece of piss! "worst job" me arse. You have the ideal lazy sod's job!

Stop and search is the Police Services' admittance that it's intelligence is not good enough and so it must resort to profiling, generalization and harassment.

Nirvana, Personally I think you're chatting shit blood.

When you look at what's been done to us, we should have all been rioting for the last three years.

Obviously, stealing and looting are not the way forward. The Bank of England and The Houses of Parliament should have been burnt to the ground ages ago.

Anyways, this guy seems to have a clue:

nirvana wrote:
Go on, you can say it...."white gangsters".

Perhaps I'm just cynical, but I think events were orchestrated in a certain way to allow a precedent to be set.

It was done with the willing co-operation of several colours of idiot, who maybe didn't see they were being manipulated, and just saw an opportunity to help themselves to consumables.

Cameron was enabled to look like a good leader by fulfilling the angry demands of many enraged citizens, that the culprits be dealt with harshly. So, new penalties were introduced, like taking people's council houses away. Imo, there's nothing wrong with that response on the face of it.

Except for a suspicion that at some point in the near future, decent folk who decide to embark on peaceful demo's, which are interfered with by the almost inevitable agent provocateurs, will be labelled 'rioters', and we now know how to deal with them, don't we! Stop their benefits, and throw them on the street.

mushy wrote:
There where supposedly 14,000 police officers in London!!! Where were they? The looting in Clapham Junction would have needed around 100 police officers to bring under control, there were virtually none. Same situation all over London. I've not seen one video from any particular area that night that proves that the vast majority of police were all concentrated in one area. It was the same everywhere. I used the football match example to show that I have an idea of what a police presence in London actually looks like. Again, not to mention the fact that the msm completely ignored what was really going on. They can send journalists into Baghdad but not Bromley? Come on!