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Re: Zionism role in WW 3, End Times. The REAL truth behind Zionism. 01 Jul 2012 16:45 #41

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As for the jewish people, they are simply followers of a religion, there is no 'jewish race'. Its horseshit.
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It just seems to me that 'Zionism' is like the elastoplast of the truthy movement. You pretty much stick it on anything.

I guess you could pin my twitchyness about these types of threads down to the hundreds of similar ones I've seen not just on DIF, but all over the internets. Eventually someone will try to innocently point out something, like for example that a rather large number of the world's richest people subscribe to the Jewish faith. As soon as that happens, quicker than you can say 'ADL lawsuit' someone cries "Oi you lot are Nazis init!!", and then the whole thread degenerates into a pathetic powwow of insults and nonsense.

Personally I don't mind the use of the word zionists as it has little to do with race etc.

Careless use of the word 'jew' or 'ALL the jews' etc is definitely the stuff of ADL lawsuits alright...
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Re: Zionism role in WW 3, End Times. The REAL truth behind Zionism. 01 Jul 2012 18:08 #42

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Alrighty then. Let's be a bit proactive here, if Zionism or Zionists was in the past used to label an entirely different agenda, ie Rothschild backed creation of Israel etc, can't we come up with a more relevant term? I quite like Boobies. The mightily overused sensationalist term 'WW3' could be replaced with 'potential future world conflict'.

Hence we could rename this thread 'Boobies role in potential future world conflict'

:D :D :D :D

yeah. Reckon I'm about ready to climb back in my tree. C'mon Mr Boots, tell me more about the Boobies religious ideology.

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Re: Zionism role in WW 3, End Times. The REAL truth behind Zionism. 01 Jul 2012 22:02 #43

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Well...it is a serious topic.
Zionism is about the nation state of israel and specifically its actions over the years.
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The State of Israel fits virtually every definition of a rogue state. Despite receiving billions in foreign aid from the U.S., Israel is targeted by over 200 UN resolutions and has ties to terror organizations operating within Iran and Pakistan.


While that is a very serious accusation to make of any nation, using the United States Government’s definition of a “rogue state” and applying it fairly across the board, a case can be made that not only does The State of Israel fit the definition, but also does the United States itself. However, due to the foreign policy of the United States already being covered at length, the main focus of this article will be Israel’s behavior and America’s unwavering support.

Israel is criticized for its settling of captured territories.

According to the 2002 National Security Strategy published by the White House[1], rogue states:
brutalize their own people and squander their national resources for the personal gain of the rulers;
display no regard for international law, threaten their neighbors, and callously violate international treaties to which they are party;
are determined to acquire weapons of mass destruction, along with other advanced military technology, to be used as threats or offensively to achieve the aggressive designs of these regimes;
sponsor terrorism around the globe; and
reject basic human values and hate the United States and everything for which it stands.

Before beginning it is also important to note that this is not an attack on the Israeli people, the Jewish people, nor is this an endorsement of any of the enemies of the State of Israel. This is merely taking the U.S.’s definition, and applying it fairly across the board without prejudice.
“...display no regard for international law, threaten their neighbors, and callously violate international treaties to which they are party.”

At the time of this writing, there are over 220 United Nations resolutions concerning the behavior of Israel in international affairs.[2] Much of the criticism stems from the aftermath of the Six Day War, in which Israel seized territories from Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. While there is much controversy over the status and future of many of these territories, it is widely accepted among the international community that the act of transferring one’s population into occupied territory is a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.[3][4] As of 2012, there are more than 600,000 Israeli settlers living in the seized territories.[5][6]

Israel came under fire again from the international community for its behavior during the 2008-09 Gaza War. The UN Human Rights Council established a team to investigate the alleged violations of international law taking place in the Palestinian territories. The United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict, as it was formally called, was headed by Justice Richard Goldstone.[7] Goldstone previously served as the first chief prosecutor of the United Nations International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda and the former Yugoslavia conflicts.

Known as the Goldstone Report, it criticized Israel for a number of transgressions of international law – including the blockade of Gaza, intentional targeting of civilians, the use of human shields, and the use of white phosphorous in urban areas.[8] White phosphorous, which causes deadly burns[9], was even used on the UN Relief and Works Agency compound in Gaza City.[8] While the UN Human Rights Council passed a resolution endorsing the Goldstone Report[10] and Amnesty International characterized the conflict as “22 days of death and destruction,”[11] the United States Congress passed a resolution which condemned the report by a vote of 344-36[12].
“...are determined to acquire weapons of mass destruction, along with other advanced military technology, to be used as threats or offensively to achieve the aggressive designs of these regimes;”

While Israel maintains a policy of deliberate ambiguity[13] on whether or not they possess nuclear weapons, it is generally accepted that Israel has between 75 and 400 nuclear weapons.[14][15] The U.S. Congress also lists Israel as having chemical warfare abilities in addition to an offensive biological warfare program.[16] Former President Jimmy Carter[17] and International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Mohamed ElBaradei[18] stated that Israel has nuclear weapons. A technician who worked at Israel’s Negev Nuclear Research Center was also jailed for 18 years for disclosing that Israel had produced nuclear weapons.[19]
“...sponsor terrorism around the globe;”

The Irgun, also known as “The National Military Organization in the Land of Israel,” committed acts of terrorism against Arab and British targets dating back to 1937.[20] Civilian markets, trains, and hotels were bombed in addition to the British embassy in Rome and British CID Headquarters in Jerusalem.[21] Described as a terrorist group by the New York Times[22], Winston Churchill, Albert Einstein and others[21], The Irgun was absorbed into the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) in 1948 [23], and a military service ribbon was created in their honor in 1979.[24]

Also absorbed into the IDF was the terrorist group Lehi, also known as the “Stern Group” or “National Military Organization in Israel.”[23][25] Lehi also attacked civilian targets, including women and children during the Deir Yassin massacre[26], in addition to United Nations[27] and British government officials[28]. Israel granted amnesty to Lehi members in 1949[29], created a service ribbon in their honor in 1980[24], and former Lehi leader Yitzhak Shamir became Prime Minister of Israel in 1983, and again in 1986[30].

In more recent history, Israel was discovered to be working with terrorist groups operating inside Iran. Israeli Mossad agents, posing as CIA officers with U.S. passports, were actively recruiting Jundallah operatives in 2007 and 2008.[31] According to the U.S. State Department, Jundallah is a terrorist organization that is responsible for the killing of Iranian civilians and government officials.[32] Their tactics include suicide bombings, ambushes, kidnappings and targeted assassinations.

Still ongoing is the support of the People’s Mujahedin of Iran – an “Iranian dissident group that is financed, trained and armed by Israel’s secret service.”[33] The People’s Mujahedin of Iran, which has a history of killing Americans [34], has been used by the Mossad to kill Iranian nuclear scientists since 2010.
“...reject basic human values”

While pinning down a widely accepted definition of “basic human values” can be difficult, one can use the criteria set forth by the UN’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which was adopted in 1948.[35] Israel violates a number of its definitions of human rights.
Article 5: No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

The U.S. government has been aware that Israel uses physical coercion to attain confessions since 1978, when a message called “Jerusalem A-19” sent to the State Department from the Consulate General reported that two young American citizens and two young Palestinians were physically beaten by Israeli authorities.[36] The boys were accused of throwing rocks at an Israeli military bus and were found guilty by a military judge. Jerusalem A-19 corroborated two previous messages sent in 1978, Jerusalem 1500[37] and Jerusalem 3239[38], which reported that similar tactics were being used on Palestinian prisoners.

By 1987, the Israeli government set up a commission to investigate allegations of torture and perjury by the GSS (General Security Service/Shabak/Shin Bet).[39] Headed by former Supreme Court Justice Moshe Landau, the Landau Commission submitted a two part report of their findings four months later. The Commission defended the use of physical coercion, stating that “the exertion of a moderate degree of physical pressure cannot be avoided.”[40] The report condemned the use of perjury, but at the same time recommended that no criminal action be taken against the GSS officials who committed it.[40][41]
Article 9: No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

According to Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem, over 300 Palestinians are currently being held without charge or trial.[42] Israel’s use of administrative detention violates the UN’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, and the The Fourth Geneva Convention.[43] Palestinians can find themselves imprisoned for periods of time ranging from several months to several years[44], including children under the age of eighteen[45].
American support

According to the Congressional Research Service (CRS), Israel is the single largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign aid since World War II and from 1976-2004 Israel was the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign aid.[46]

Since 1985, the United States has given Israel almost $3 billion in grants every year, and Israel enjoys many unusual benefits like the entirety of American aid being delivered in the first 30 days of the fiscal year whereas most recipients receive aid in installments throughout the year.[47]

In the United States, individuals and businesses can be penalized for boycotting Israel. According to the Bureau of Industry and Security, a child agency of the U.S. Department of Commerce, conduct that may be penalized under the Ribicoff Amendment to the 1976 Tax Reform Act (TRA) and/or prohibited under Export Administration Regulations (EAR) includes, “Agreements to refuse or actual refusal to do business with or in Israel or with blacklisted companies” and “Agreements to furnish or actual furnishing of information about business relationships with or in Israel or with blacklisted companies.”[48]

Penalties can be quite severe, with penalties for each “knowing” violation of the regulations being a fine of up to $50,000 or five times the value of the exports involved (whichever is greater) along with imprisonment for up to five years or longer depending on if there an Executive Order issued pursuant to the International Emergency Economic Powers Act which continues the EAR. During this period criminal penalties for each “willful” violation of the regulations can be a fine of up to $50,000 and up to ten years in prison. Administrative penalties also exist, including denial of export privileges, fines of up to $11,000 per violation and/or exclusion from practice. When the Export Administration Act (EAA) is in lapse, the penalties are governed by the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) which provides for penalties up to $250,000 per violation or twice the value of the transaction involved for administrative violations of these Anti-boycott Regulations while criminal violations can result in up to $1 million in fines and 20 years of imprisonment for each violation.[49]

While the laws prohibit discrimination based on “race, religion, sex or national origin or nationality,” Israel is the only nation which is specifically named in the regulations.[49]
References
The White House: The National Security Strategy: September 2002
Wikipedia: List of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel
UN Security Council: Resolution 465 (1980)
EU: EU positions on the Middle East peace process
The Telegraph: Nick Clegg: Israel doing ‘immense damage’ to peace process
The New York Times: Palestinians Turn to U.N., Where Partition Began
UN Press Release: Richard J. Goldstone Appointed To Lead Human Rights Council Fact-finding Mission On Gaza Conflict
UN Human Rights Council: United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict
Wikipedia: White phosphorus
Palestine Monitor: Goldstone Report: How Countries Voted Yesterday At The UN Human Rights Council
Amnesty International: Israel/Gaza: Operation “Cast Lead”: 22 Days of Death and Destruction
UN Watch: US Congress condemns UN Goldstone Report, 344 to 36; full text & voting breakdown
U.S. State Department: Foreign Relations Of The United States, 1964-1968: Volume XX, Arab-israeli Dispute, 1967-68, Document 349
Federation of American Scientists: Nuclear Weapons - Israel
NTI: Country Profiles: Israel
U.S. Congress: Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction: Assessing the Risks
BBC: Israel ‘has 150 nuclear weapons’
International Atomic Energy Agency: Transcript of the Director General‘s Interview with Al-Ahram News
The New York Times: Israeli Who Revealed Nuclear Secrets Is Freed
Encyclopædia Britannica: Irgun Zvai Leumi
Wikipedia: List of Irgun attacks
The New York Times: Irgun Bomb Kills 11 Arabs, 2 Britons; Missile Thrown From A Taxi In Jerusalem
Israel Defense Forces: The Foundation of the IDF
Israel Ministry of Defense: Awards for military [service towards the establishment of the State of Israel]
The Washington Post: Deaths
Wikipedia: Dier Yassin massacre
United Nations: Security Council Resolution 57
Jerusalem Post: ‘Lehi considered assassinating Winston Churchill’
Israel State Archives: List of Exhibits
Prime Minister‘s Office: Yitzhak Shamir - The seventh Prime Minister
Foreign Policy Magazine: False Flag: A series of CIA memos describes how Israeli Mossad agents posed as American spies to recruit members of the terrorist organization Jundallah to fight their covert war against Iran.
U.S. State Department: Secretary of State’s Terrorist Designation of Jundallah
NBC News: Israel teams with terror group to kill Iran’s nuclear scientists, U.S. officials tell NBC News
Council on Foreign Relations: Mujahadeen-e-Khalq (MEK) (aka People’s Mujahedin of Iran or PMOI)
United Nations: The Universal Declaration of Human Rights
United States Consulate General: Jerusalem A-19
United States Consulate General: Jerusalem 1500
United States Consulate General: Jerusalem 3239
Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs: Israel’s Interrogation Policies and Practices
Amnesty International: Israel And The Occupied Territories: The Military Justice System In The Occupied Territories: Detention, Interrogation And Trial Procedures
B'Tselem: Torture & Abuse Under Interrogation: Background of the High Court of Justice’s Decision
B'Tselem: Statistics on Administrative Detention
B'Tselem: The basis for administrative detention in international law
B'Tselem: Administrative Detention
B'Tselem: Statistics on Palestinian minors in the custody of the Israeli security forces
Congressional Research Service: U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel
US Department of Commerce: Antiboycott Compliance
Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs: Israel, the Conflict and Peace: Answers to frequently asked questions
The American Journal of International Law: Prolonged Military Occupation: The Israeli-Occupied Territories Since 1967
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Re: Zionism role in WW 3, End Times. The REAL truth behind Zionism. 01 Jul 2012 22:53 #44

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Nice info Andy. Although I haven't been living under a rock for the last five years. I've been living on one :) :) :)

I think most of us are fully aware of the atrocities committed by Israel, and the US pro Israeli foreign policy. My original problem was with the title of this thread.

I thought the boobies thing would get a laugh at least.

I'm clearly the only one that has a problem with outrageous thread titles. I am officially climbing back up my tree, where I will be safe from the all seeing eye of the ADL.

I leave you with this, before I climb up. I'm sure you remember this one well, the ADL were probably spitting feathers when they watched it. Makes you wonder how George still manages to get airtime on Sky News.....

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Re: Zionism role in WW 3, End Times. The REAL truth behind Zionism. 01 Jul 2012 22:56 #45

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Ahhhh I see :)

Boots' reference to ww3 and endtimes is deliberate due to the religious significance it has to xtian zionists and the rapture etc.

As for Galloway hes a useful idiot in the same way Ron Paul is ;)
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Re: Zionism role in WW 3, End Times. The REAL truth behind Zionism. 02 Jul 2012 00:21 #46

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boywonder wrote:
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'The REAL truth behind Zionism' is quite clearly laid out in the Jewish encyclopaedia (linked above).

Thats Judaism side of the story.

Do you understand what this thread is all about ?

Can you tell me what role Zionism has in the religious ideology of current event's?


Copy / paste / copy / paste.

Can I tell you what this thread is about..... ?
Once again, let's look at the title of this thread.
1. Zionism role in WW3, end times.

First of all, WW3, has not and more than likely will not happen. How can we talk about Zionism's apparent role in something that has not happened?

Stating "zionism role in WW 3" doesn't imply that WW3 will happen that, if I had said "Zionism role in the coming WW3 then yes I would be saying it's a definite, however I admit the title this thread isn't the best one I could have thought up, bit spur of the moment thing, :emb:

I know your pissed offf about all the 'fear porn' around WW3, Apocalypse/end times stuff.

Why don't you start a thread about it? I'd be happy to contribute and reckon we'd be in agreement on many points.
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2. The REAL truth behind Zionism.

As yet I have seen no logical arguments that reveal some kind of revelation regarding Zionism in this thread.

That Christian Zionism has a larger power base in the USA than Jewish Zionism has. The jew are in positions of power, this is true of course, but who's to say they are not just the fall guy's because in that Video and what the Christian Zionist say is that the Jews will be a sacrifice, if they dont convert when Jesus returns out of the clouds. 144,000 will be raptured and the rest will die, That is the Christian Zionist plan. A lot of Jewish Zionist are pissed off about, naturally, but they are both in this silly game off "I'll beat you too it, nah, nah, na, nah na," moronic, but that's fundamentalism for you.
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Religious ideology is just one of many varieties and flavours of controlling humans.

Yes thats true, Religion is one part of the control mechanism you have Vatican City, religion, City of London, Financial, and Washington DC, Military. these 3 are independent states, countries within countries.

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Let me ask you a question Mr Boots. What are you trying to achieve with this thread? What are the aims and objectives?

What I wanted to point out is that there are two religious ideologies within the context of Zionism. The 'truthy' movement is basically filled with the concept of just a Jewish Zionist ideology and it's a form of Cognitive dissonance You'll find lots of info on Jewish Zionism, hardly any with the role of christian Zionism.

I was hoping to discuss it or just put info up, instead what your doing is posting off topic vids and picks they have nothing to do with the topic, it just derails the thread, either your doing it on purpose or just being immature, please dont, or it's something you'd like talk about, so why not start your own thread?
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Re: Zionism role in WW 3, End Times. The REAL truth behind Zionism. 02 Jul 2012 00:43 #47

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As for the jewish people, they are simply followers of a religion, there is no 'jewish race'. Its horseshit.
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It just seems to me that 'Zionism' is like the elastoplast of the truthy movement. You pretty much stick it on anything.

I guess you could pin my twitchyness about these types of threads down to the hundreds of similar ones I've seen not just on DIF, but all over the internets. Eventually someone will try to innocently point out something, like for example that a rather large number of the world's richest people subscribe to the Jewish faith. As soon as that happens, quicker than you can say 'ADL lawsuit' someone cries "Oi you lot are Nazis init!!", and then the whole thread degenerates into a pathetic powwow of insults and nonsense.

Personally I don't mind the use of the word zionists as it has little to do with race etc.

Careless use of the word 'jew' or 'ALL the jews' etc is definitely the stuff of ADL lawsuits alright...

That's it it's nothing to do with race, but this is how it's portrayed within the mind set of the truth movement, sometimes I wonder if it isn't step up that way by the ADL, or maybe it's too much Ewetubing or a psy-op's to keep your off the ball.

To create a one world religion you'd need a 'Shock an Awe' show. put the people in a state of zombie mode, easily manipulated then.

It's a generalization to say all the richest people are Jewish and therefore they run the NWO, The Vatican has untold wealth hidden in the Vatican vault's, they could sell it. end all that poverty? Make the Vatican bank a world bank based on it's principal's that would kill all the other banks eventually.
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Re: Zionism role in WW 3, End Times. The REAL truth behind Zionism. 02 Jul 2012 21:52 #48

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Boots wrote:

I know your pissed offf about all the 'fear porn' around WW3, Apocalypse/end times stuff.

Why don't you start a thread about it? I'd be happy to contribute and reckon we'd be in agreement on many points.

This be true mate, very true. I guess seeing that title brought back memories of the other place. And I'm sure you understand how those threads used to start and finish. :(

My approach to this thread so far has been arsey to say the least. I should be glad that we can talk about this sensibly and not get all DIFfy. So thank you Mr Boots for helping me to remember that. Apologies for my attitude so far.

As for your question about starting a thread... it's a great idea bud, really. When I say I've got a lot of info on the house of the red shield, it is no small boast. I used to work for the British Government, and during that time I was able to pilfer lots of very juicy bits and bobs. I don't really give a stuff about the official secrets act, even though I probably should. In any case, I'm sure they've got far bigger things on their minds than to worry about what the little people discuss. That could come back and bite me on the arse if this place ever gets bigger than DIF, which I sincerely hope it does, because truth has got no chance with the likes of stealthmods aka sean, I am, and the rest of the crew over there. That brings me back to my initial raw nerve, a poster on DIF called wakeup2nwo. I swear that dude just wants to scare anyone and everyone into hiding in air raid shelters with tins of beans and paraffin lamps.

I will give the new thread some thought, will PM you with some ideas later this week. :) :)

For the benefit of anyone that finds this thread in the future, maybe we should start from the beginning and start off with Zionism 101 basics? And, just in case my worst fears are realised and someone from DIF pops over to get jiggy with it (seeing as they seem to be obsessed over there with stirring up needless hateful racist word fights), first in the box we could start with the following:

For all intents and purposes this thread is in no way intended to be anti-Semitic, anti-Jewish, or intentionally created to cause harm or offence to anyone of the Jewish faith, any person otherwise connected to any aspect of Judaism, notwithstanding all and any organisations or other persons that represent any aspect of Judaism. Any reference to Israel is purely incidental and in no way deemed with any intention of harming or causing offence to the people of that country.

It's funny how I'm actually more afraid of the ADL machine than the British Government. :D :D :D

I know which of the two wields more power. ;)
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Re: Zionism role in WW 3, End Times. The REAL truth behind Zionism. 02 Jul 2012 21:58 #49

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Nice post wonderboy... had every faith you'd get there yourself too ;)
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Nice post wonderboy... had every faith you'd get there yourself too ;)

Thanks Sketts :D :D

It does take me a while sometimes. I didn't earn the nickname 'the snail' for nowt :D
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Re: Zionism role in WW 3, End Times. The REAL truth behind Zionism. 02 Jul 2012 23:22 #51

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Nice post wonderboy... had every faith you'd get there yourself too ;)

Thanks Sketts :D :D

It does take me a while sometimes. I didn't earn the nickname 'the snail' for nowt :D

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it's ww3 for these countries......for the rest it's silent weapons....
and in my estimation zionism is controlling it.
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Re: Zionism role in WW 3, End Times. The REAL truth behind Zionism. 03 Jul 2012 02:10 #53

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it's ww3 for these countries......for the rest it's silent weapons....
and in my estimation zionism is controlling it.

Agreed, but this comes back to my Zionism 101 request... for the sake of this thread can we clearly define what we actually mean by Zionists/Zionism,..... For me Zionists are the Rothers and co, with streets named after them in Tel Aviv etc etc. They achieved all that a long time ago. For example, the whole arab spring thing, you could have got the whole job lot from Chatham House well before it happened, their website is like a mission statement for the globalists. So when we say Zionists are we lumping them in with it as well? So instead of saying the worlds 'elite' or TPTB, we label the whole lot Zionists? I just feel that stamping one label on all can lead one away from exactly who we are really talking about. I hope any of what I just said makes any sense.....
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boywonder wrote:
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it's ww3 for these countries......for the rest it's silent weapons....
and in my estimation zionism is controlling it.

Agreed, but this comes back to my Zionism 101 request... for the sake of this thread can we clearly define what we actually mean by Zionists/Zionism,..... For me Zionists are the Rothers and co, with streets named after them in Tel Aviv etc etc. They achieved all that a long time ago. For example, the whole arab spring thing, you could have got the whole job lot from Chatham House well before it happened, their website is like a mission statement for the globalists. So when we say Zionists are we lumping them in with it as well? So instead of saying the worlds 'elite' or TPTB, we label the whole lot Zionists? I just feel that stamping one label on all can lead one away from exactly who we are really talking about. I hope any of what I just said makes any sense.....

You're going to need to get that thread started by looks of it lad... ;)
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You're going to need to get that thread started by looks of it lad... ;)

I fink so :) :D :cool:
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Re: Zionism role in WW 3, End Times. The REAL truth behind Zionism. 03 Jul 2012 22:35 #56

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This be true mate, very true. I guess seeing that title brought back memories of the other place. And I'm sure you understand how those threads used to start and finish. :(

My approach to this thread so far has been arsey to say the least. I should be glad that we can talk about this sensibly and not get all DIFfy. So thank you Mr Boots for helping me to remember that. Apologies for my attitude so far.

As for your question about starting a thread... it's a great idea bud, really. When I say I've got a lot of info on the house of the red shield, it is no small boast. I used to work for the British Government, and during that time I was able to pilfer lots of very juicy bits and bobs. I don't really give a stuff about the official secrets act, even though I probably should. In any case, I'm sure they've got far bigger things on their minds than to worry about what the little people discuss. That could come back and bite me on the arse if this place ever gets bigger than DIF, which I sincerely hope it does, because truth has got no chance with the likes of stealthmods aka sean, I am, and the rest of the crew over there. That brings me back to my initial raw nerve, a poster on DIF called wakeup2nwo. I swear that dude just wants to scare anyone and everyone into hiding in air raid shelters with tins of beans and paraffin lamps.

I will give the new thread some thought, will PM you with some ideas later this week. :) :)

For the benefit of anyone that finds this thread in the future, maybe we should start from the beginning and start off with Zionism 101 basics? And, just in case my worst fears are realised and someone from DIF pops over to get jiggy with it (seeing as they seem to be obsessed over there with stirring up needless hateful racist word fights), first in the box we could start with the following:

For all intents and purposes this thread is in no way intended to be anti-Semitic, anti-Jewish, or intentionally created to cause harm or offence to anyone of the Jewish faith, any person otherwise connected to any aspect of Judaism, notwithstanding all and any organisations or other persons that represent any aspect of Judaism. Any reference to Israel is purely incidental and in no way deemed with any intention of harming or causing offence to the people of that country.

It's funny how I'm actually more afraid of the ADL machine than the British Government. :D :D :D

I know which of the two wields more power. ;)

Thanks for your understanding Boywonder and goodonya for breaking the dif mindset, :thumbup:

It's happened to all of us, I've seen those threads you were in, just the typical attitude that pervades there, it's ironic that David Icke writes about "Forum Man" and the forum in his name, is full of them !!

I do think it's an interesting subject that of mind control, it's sort of mind control happening in that other forum, lol and how people buy into that fear because it's constantly being pushed. it gets it's own momentum.

Nice disclaimer boywonder, in place of jewish you could put in every other religion or political ideology, because to focus on just one thing is too divide and conquer, the elite use it all the time, to great effect.

I know all the jewish part of Zionism yet I haven't seen that much researched on Christian Zionism, these are of course fanatic within Christianity, you get that in every religion.

Th other side of the coin to jewish zionism, is Christian Zionism. The Christian Zionist do have influence in the ruining of the US, more so because the US is a Christian nation with one of the reasons the place was founded was freedom from the Catholic Church.

History repeats and these times, to me it feels like the days of the Crusades out to conquer the Holy Lands yet again.
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Re: Zionism role in WW 3, End Times. The REAL truth behind Zionism. 03 Jul 2012 22:59 #57

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I came across a think tank by the name of CNP. and found they'd a major influence in the run up the event's of 911 and going into Iraq, they backed the Neo Con's in the run up to the US elections that got Bush elected.
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Just who is the Council for National Policy, and why isn't it paying taxes?

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On April 29, 1992, Tom DeLay stood up on the House floor and decried a "tax-funded boondoggle" that sent freshman members of Congress to Harvard for a seminar. "Yes," DeLay asserted, "the congressional freshman orientation at Harvard doesn't cost millions of dollars. But even the thousands of dollars of tax money used for this congressional boondoggle sets a bad example for new Members of Congress." Instead, DeLay urged, "grassroots organizations" should conduct orientations at no cost to the American taxpayer. The organizations DeLay named were the Coalition for America, the Council for National Policy, Free Congress, and Free the Eagle, all radical conservative groups with ties to the right-wing Christian evangelical movement. As DeLay spoke, the Council for National Policy (CNP) was in a fight with the IRS over a tax-funded boondoggle of its own, a fight in which CNP ultimately would emerge the victor.

Most Americans – even many self-professed political junkies – probably have never heard of CNP or would confuse it with countless other groups with similarly unremarkable names (including the Center for National Policy, a liberal group). But conservative activists would know what Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has referred to as "the heart of a great conservative movement that helped to make America strong and prosperous in the 20th century – and is now helping to ensure she remains free and secure in the 21st century," or what Indiana Republican Congressman Mike Pence has called "the most influential gathering of conservatives in America." But because CNP has been so successful at maintaining its secrecy – flouting the law for more than two decades – it has managed to obscure the depth of its reach in conservative political organizations, political fundraising, the conservative media, and even the Bush administration itself.

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CNP's tentacles also reach into a community of well-connected activists who advocate for the imposition of fundamentalist Christian ideology in public life and have succeeded in forcing their agenda in the Bush administration. Besides the well-known affiliation of Dobson and Hodel, just one example is the Home School Legal Defense Association, which has paid CNP dues so that Michael Farris, its executive director, could attend the meetings. Farris has since also become president of Patrick Henry College (PHC), founded in 2000 for home-schooled students. PHC aims to "prepare Christian men and women who will lead our nation and shape our culture with timeless biblical values and fidelity to the spirit of the American founding" and "to aid in the transformation of American society by training Christian students to serve God and mankind with a passion for righteousness, justice and mercy, through careers of public service and cultural influence." Janet Ashcroft, the former attorney general's wife, and Barbara Hodel, Hodel's wife, also serve on PHC's Board of Trustees. PHC's academic dean, Paul Bonicelli, was appointed by Bush to a private U.N. delegation to promote biblical values in U.S. foreign policy
There was a small flurry of media coverage of candidate Bush's refusal to release his speech, but it soon died down and CNP slipped into hiding again. Since then, only two major news outlets have published stories devoted entirely to CNP, and while both discussed the organization's secrecy, neither questioned the propriety of it. In May 2002, ABC News ran a piece on their web site called, "Inside The Council for National Policy: Meet the Most Powerful Conservative Group You've Never Heard Of," which outed some high-level BushaAdministration officials as speakers at a meeting at a "ritzy hotel" in Tysons Corner, Va. The article did not question whether it was acceptable in a democracy – not to mention legal – for a Supreme Court Justice (Clarence Thomas), White House counsel (Alberto Gonzales) and close Bush advisor (deputy director of the White House Office of Public Liaison Timothy Goeglein, himself an evangelical Christian who has said that Bush is "God's man,") to give secret speeches or have secret meetings with a secret organization subsidized by the American taxpayer.

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The CNP website.
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Re: Zionism role in WW 3, End Times. The REAL truth behind Zionism. 04 Jul 2012 00:01 #58

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:beer: :beer: :spliff: Cheers Boots :)

Come to think of it I do remember the first time I heard the term 'Judeo-Christian' being used as an adjective on Sky News. I remember thinking "huh? wtf? since when?" The way it was used sort of implied that Christians and Jews could have been sitting in church together for the last 2000 years.

Other than that I'm pretty stumped for any other signs of UK Christian Zionism.....

Apart from the obvious; Blair - good Zionist lad - time in Downing St... LONG, Brown - indifferent to Zionists - time at no. 10... not very long, Cameron - Hello! Did I mention I'm a Zionist? That didn't stop the JNF incessantly bitching because he resigned from his post of honorary patron of the JNF. But in any case he is just another slave to the Zionist cause.
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Re: Christian Zionism role in WW 3 and End Times. 08 Jul 2012 01:38 #59

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boywonder wrote:
:beer: :beer: :spliff: Cheers Boots :)

Come to think of it I do remember the first time I heard the term 'Judeo-Christian' being used as an adjective on Sky News. I remember thinking "huh? wtf? since when?" The way it was used sort of implied that Christians and Jews could have been sitting in church together for the last 2000 years.

Our western civilization is based on the Roman system, our laws, religion, architecture, etc come from that era, at the time of the creation of the Roman Catholic Church, since then Christianity has spread out over the earth. The power of the RCC is surmountable, taxes are still paid by Germany to the RCC, Spain has a concordant with the Vatican raking in Millions of Euro's a year, England accepted a Papal Bull signing over all land in the Relm to the RCC.

Christianity and Judaism are two different religious ideologies, although you will find passages in Bible from the OT they are not the same as the neo nazi crowd want us to believe, when it boils down to it the judasim think's Christianity is wrong, they do not follow the word of god where as the Christians believe tat Jews are wrong because they have the messiah and those stupid jews aren't listening. :poke:
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Other than that I'm pretty stumped for any other signs of UK Christian Zionism.....


If a person in government states his a Christian and supports the actions of the Israeli government, then you can say his a Christian Zionist, even then it's not indicative of a religious Zionist, if you have a person in government who is a Jew and supports the actions of the Israeli government, then his/she's is a Jewish Zionist, again it depends on if the person see's it in a religious context.

I think you will find all the UK PM's who were from some Christian domination and they supported Israel then they would be Christian Zionist in political terms.

There are tow types of Zionism, Political Zionism and Zionism Religious. To put someone in the context of both, then you can say they are a Zionist in a way that Neo Nazi's would like you to see it ALLL the time.

Zionism in the political sense is just good business with lot's of arm's deals and reconstruction efforts and lets not forget oil and strategic control in the middle east, thats just governments supporting corporate interests, thats not religious Zionism.

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Apart from the obvious; Blair - good Zionist lad - time in Downing St... LONG, Brown - indifferent to Zionists - time at no. 10... not very long, Cameron - Hello! Did I mention I'm a Zionist? That didn't stop the JNF incessantly bitching because he resigned from his post of honorary patron of the JNF. But in any case he is just another slave to the Zionist cause.
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Does Cameron believe in the return of Jesus, as some denomination of Christianity believe?

Does he believe in End Times?

Is that photo a fair representation of Cameron as being a religious Zionist or is he just a typical politician who bows to any corporate interest?
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Does Cameron believe in the return of Jesus, as some denomination of Christianity believe?

Does he believe in End Times?

Is that photo a fair representation of Cameron as being a religious Zionist or is he just a typical politician who bows to any corporate interest?


Yeah gotcha Bootsy. Sorry I didn't PM you last week. Will do that now as it goes.
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