andyh wrote:

gremlin wrote:

andyh wrote:
A phenomenon not exclusively possessed by the Swiss

I wonder if Ickey did pay grem to come over here...


Double or nothing grem... what you say

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_referendums,_2012

^Everything I said backed up there, total fact.

andyh wrote:

psketti wrote:
let me check to see if the cheque has arrived

It's not likely to ever show up Grem. Rumour has it DI is skintamundo. Summat to do with decreased footfall and lack of uptake on a costly event.

whats really interesting when you look at what the real majority of those in power and with vast amounts of wealth have in common - their gender!!! spooky innit....Men are disproportionately represented in all powerful positions - but you don't hear the likes of icke (male) jones (male) rense (male) makow (male) etc etc etc shouting about that do ya!!! I wonder why....

dubmeup wrote:
Oh dear, lol :p

thoreau wrote:
Makow just whines about women and libertarians who are supposedly communists WTF?

Men have always dominated society thoreau, its to be expected imho.

andyh wrote:
Indeed andy - the point I was trying to illustrate though is that we can find and join dots to mean anything we want it to - whether it be to paint a 'jewish' 'male' 'gay' or whatever conspiracy - if the parameters are drawn at proportional representation in certain spheres and if one is looking to find something/anything to back up a bigoted view.

thoreau wrote:
Ofc we can

Here is another simple example, lets say that 'the jews' (wince, LOL!) control the US media...
What about the rest of the world?

You see, there's been no investigation into that because people have only been looking at English speaking media...because we're ill educated prats who can only manage our own language...again by design imho.
The Swiss speak 4 fluently and that's not due to the state but due to parents who use 4 languages with the kids from birth and again that backs up everything I have said about what is human nature and what is human nurture

Most people just can't get their heads around some of the simplest of things. Its a shame humanity is so fucked imho.

@andy - my favourite 'dot joining' is that where facts are changed in order to suit the agenda - an example being where someone who identifies as a christian or atheist or catholic is rebranded 'jewish' because their mothers gardener once ate a pretzel or such nonsense.

There are many powerful people in the western world who happen to be jewish - because that is the religion they identify as regardless of whether they practice said religion. What no one has managed to persuade me is that their religious identity has anything to do with decisions/policy unless ofc we are talking about members of jewish organisations whose entire aim is to promote 'jewish' interests who to my mind have the same sort of clout as other organisations whose aims are to do with other religions, big business or specific issues which are generally specific to one nation - such as the gun lobby.

All the while people focus dislike and distrust on one group of people who may have a great deal of influence in one country but not another - the real problems with the very infrastructure of society are completely buried. Arguing over who may or may not occupy the top of the pyramid does not address the fact that there is a pyramid in the first place.

thoreau wrote:
It all basically boils down to cronyism. Jobs for the boys.
The elite practice syndicalism amongst their own kind and keep out the riff raff.

This is true no matter what nationality or religion, you can see it amongst the lower classes too. Birds of a feather and all that.
Its a shame because they should not see each other as being separate in such a way.
Separate in the sense that each human is unique yes but not separate in the sense of what we can achieve together or separate because someone tells you to behave that way.

andyh wrote:
Couldnt agree more - it is who you know rather then what you know for sure - happens in all walks of life tis just that little bit more in your face when it comes to the 'power' jobs.

One of the more ironic things about it all is that those who shout about 'teh joos' the loudest would themselves wish to have more 'power' given to those who they identify as sharing the same belief system as they do - what they are looking for is a return to 'jobs for the boys' with themselves and those like them being the boys getting the jobs. It isnt about a real change so much as a shift in perceived power - which is frustratingly boring - I see no reason to replace once pyramid with another even if I may personally profit from that shift - I am more interested in change that would see equality for all.

thoreau wrote:
I struggle to tell the difference between the 'wants' of Zionists and 'Aryan' nationalists.

They struggle to see the irony.

andyh wrote:
I can imagine Switzerland is a beautiful place to live though like other countries their bank vaults are full of blood money.
Imagine all those rotting corpses stacked up in the bank vaults!

www.swissinfo.ch/eng/multimedia/video/Th...444870&itemId=665436

oioioi wrote:
too true ^^

thoreau wrote: I really agree with all this post. I think something that many people don't grasp, God knows why not, is that the people we see in positions of economic and political primacy don't actually believe in the things they profess to believe in publicly. I'm sure you get quite a few useful idiots in AIPAC who genuinely believe that Israel is a wonderful, unblemished land and the Palestinians are homicidal maniacs, but the people at the top will obviously know that this is complete nonsense. But they don't actually believe in Zionism, or the Biblical right of people of the Jewish faith to that particular land, it's just a means to an end. If it ever ceased to be of use to them, they will stop believing in it pretty quickly. I used to see the same thing regarding Muslims on DIF..."oooh, the Muslims are going to invade and take over". Yes, they've got the people in those countries very strongly believing in some pretty dubious concepts, but it's just a form of social control. The House of Saud don't believe in any of that stuff; they're as decadent and corrupt as it gets. They no more believe in Islam than George W. Bush is a devout Christian who invaded Iraq because God told him to. That's why you see them holding hands in public:

While at the same time professing to be really concerned about rogue states in the Middle East. While having an incestuous relationship with arguably the most corrupt one. Who profess to be devout Islamists. While being pheonmenally decadent and forging trillions of dollars of deals with the people whose values they supposedly completely reject.

What they believe in is more for themselves and less for everyone else. And they'll get it as well. Because even people who are relatively aware of what is going on have failed to grasp this very simple concept. And, from my experience, 99% of the rest of the population have been dumbed down to a level close to cretinous.

Talking about Swiss people and languages:

www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/news/interviews/...091341829245807.html

It's just automatically assumed that Federer will turn up and speak perfect English, which of course he does. He also takes questions in three other languages. And he's nothing special; he won't be particularly well-educated because you have to make huge sacrifices to get to the highest level in tennis.