To be fair, i think perhaps we could look at the citizens actions and the government (actions) of the USA as something seperate.

what i am attempting to say is, the acceptance of an individuals race inside of the USA could be looked at as a seperate thing to the result of US foreign policy (enacted by the few/ruling class) elsewhere abroad.

On the whole i do think american citizens are accepting...even Noam Chomsky said somewhere (i am paraphrasing from memory) that the usa is the worlds only true multicultural society and he wants to live there rather than anywhere else. something like that anyway...i wont look it up now.

When i see how successful/wealthy some african americans can become, are allowed to become...and how widely accepted they are, particularly in the entertainment industry...well its something that i could never see occurring in countries such as australia for example...thats my honest thoughts on the matter. some might argue the successful are a minority, but the opportunity is still there.

we can always single out negative incidences carried out by individuals, but i would say these incidences do not reflect how the entire population or majority think.

the government/banking/military on the other hand is a whole other story...and i still dont know if i would call them racist per se... they want to get control of nations and i dont think their foreign policy would be any different if a country populated by indigenous white people had the oil/heroin/water/minerals/labour potential or any other country with different ethinicity had them... the same ruling class would still try and get control imho...and that is happening now in 'white' europe imho except instead of war its banking and complicit politicans getting the job done.

When i see how successful/wealthy some african americans can become, are allowed to become...and how widely accepted they are, particularly in the entertainment industry...well its something that i could never see occurring in countries such as australia for example...thats my honest thoughts on the matter. some might argue the successful are a minority, but the opportunity is still there.

He obviously respects the white people who died so could he be free to live in America and make millions.

I had my say on Ron Paul the other week, and I will applaud him for his foreign policy, but I think something considerably more radical is needed than his domestic policies.

I do think he is genuine and his heart is in the right place, though. If you watch this clip from the 80s, he's putting forward very similar if not identical arguments to twenty years later, and I agree with most, if not all, of what he's saying here. But look what he's up against:



Maybe the American public has mellowed a bit, but I wonder if they're ready for anything truly radical.

I imagine the Military Industrial complex etc hate the fact within such organizations there are channels of influence from "Socialist" (social democratic) Europe to the US presidency

Most Paulites would come under anti-CFR etc conservative bracket, possibly the most popular presidential candidate in the truth movement's history who had wide financial and popular support, wide ranging exposure in the media, radio syndication throughout the US, came accross very well in the debates etc.

Paul's very much like Farage in the UK he's the fairly fair figurehead for a cesspit of reactionary, right wing, conservative views, in other words controlled opposition.

Agreed RA: Rand Paul is an utter corporate whore.

Guevarista wrote:
I seen Ron Paul son Rand on the news yesterday complaining about taxing the wealthy....fraud

How does his dad feel about that... :facepalm

mikey mikey wrote:
Ok mikey we can agree on that...

I don't no much about Rand Paul but he does seem like a sell out.

Unless his dad told him to act like a sell out until he can get in a more influential position of power.

Which i assume Obama has done and that's why i voted for his second term.

I view income tax itself as being fraudulent because its not applied to corporations/paper entities.
Again you won't see that angle in the media.

The combined net worth of the 2012 class of the 400 richest Americans is $1.7 trillion, up from $1.5 trillion a year ago. The average net worth of a Forbes 400 member is a staggering $4.2 billion, up from $3.8 billion, and the highest ever, as two-thirds of the individuals added to their fortunes in the past year. Another factor: the gap between the very rich and the merely rich is widening. Only two in the top 20 are poorer, and as a group they are worth $73 billion more than a year ago.

Andy if you say tax is fraudulent because its not applied to corporations/​paper entities then who will handle that?

Who or what will fix that problem?

A lot of your arguments seem like a justification for something resembling pessimism/powerlessness at the moment andy?

A lot of your arguments seem like a justification for something resembling pessimism/powerlessness at the moment andy?

Guevarista wrote:
Guev at least you understand why i would ask him that question...

If Andy is just going to answer "No-​one" then basically he has given up and your right that's justification for pessimism.

Yet he calls me a shill in other threads...

Guevarista wrote:
At the end of the above video the anti terrorist explains precisely what to do.
If you can't beat them...join them.

I'd like you to be aware that this year I did my tax return, I offered to pay the govt 3000 euros which is less than a fifth what I would have paid under a PAYE scheme...they decided to give me 1000 quid rebate back and also gave me some rent allowance to boot, I think it was 800 quid. So I paid about 1200 tax for the entire year on an initial income of well in excess of 80,000.

In addition I paid sod all VAT, I just collected it for revenue. *cough*.

Its about time people got really pissed off at this and did something about it, app and gris touch on how to approach doing this and I also have offered a way of addressing it.

Were I in a normal job I would definitely have paid 16000 in income tax, a shitload in VAT, then a pile on national insurance and what exactly would I have got in return for it?

Come on...smell the coffee.

andyh wrote: So I mean to me that bold bit just appears to be confirmation bias which enforces your pessimism/idea of powerlessness, you write off the rest of humanity as stupid morons because you're fucking them all over on tax, well done mate, you'll make a great Tory one day

.......... wrote:
Sigh...because you expect 'someone' to fix it FOR you.
Do you understand yet?

This is what shills do. They try to say that the establishment has ways and means of righting these wrongs and guess what.
It doesn't, it never will, it never has.

The way you fix it is by taking action yourself, I have given you the information above outlining how that is done.
Would you care to address those points instead of whining?

Guevarista wrote:
Gue, I have disposable income now thanks to doing what I do.
I have a single income that pays for a family and I can also help others with it by employing them and yes I encourage those I employ to do it on a self employed basis and yes I help them with their tax returns and yes I educate them about it and funnily enough they're very grateful for the info.

A tory does NOT disseminate the info I have given you on this forum. You must understand that first before making kneejerk assumptions about my political affiliations, which again touches on the stuff wub got so irate about in a separate thread here on this forum.

andyh wrote:
Andy i'm not trying to just fix things for me or just America i also wan't the best for Ireland and the UK.

I have read about all the depression in the United Kingdom on both DIF and here at Sanctum Zone also.

I wan't a better future for all the people on Earth and i feel like your speaking on an individual level.

At least that's what i was saying to Guev after he pointed out what we perceived as your pessimism.