Sanctum Zone

Keyword
A+ A A-
Welcome, Guest
Username: Password: Remember me
Forgot your password? Forgot your username? Create an account

TOPIC: Alcoholics Anonymous - The Twelve Steps

Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - The Twelve Steps 04 Sep 2012 23:33 #21

  • Space Bandit
  • Space Bandit's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 3804
  • Thank you received: 2275
  • Karma: 70
dawnbreak wrote:
No don't call me hen.............i hate people calling me hen

:chuckle:
Set the controls for the heart of the earth.
You must register to post here.

Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - The Twelve Steps 04 Sep 2012 23:34 #22

  • dawnbreak
  • dawnbreak's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • R.I.P DG xxx
  • Posts: 3533
  • Thank you received: 1198
  • Karma: 94
the 13th step is shagging people
Last Edit: 04 Sep 2012 23:34 by dawnbreak.
You must register to post here.

Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - The Twelve Steps 04 Sep 2012 23:39 #23

  • LesleyPumpshaft
  • LesleyPumpshaft's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • arse biscuits
  • Posts: 2060
  • Thank you received: 1010
  • Karma: 47
dawnbreak wrote:
I have heard that too Lesley , and when I attended a group at Cruise, 10 out the ten out the twelve people who had committed suicide attended AA , which personally does not give myself much confidence in that group.

there were only 2 of us attending that had partners who had commited suicide that weren't members of AA.........and personally that felt like a really really high number and something was going wrong somewhere with that organisation

Sorry to hear about that, I had no idea. 10 out 12 doesn't reflect well on the AA. Have you noticed anything else that you thought was odd about AA?

Just for the record, I don't think Freemasonary is the root of all evil.
You must register to post here.

Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - The Twelve Steps 05 Sep 2012 00:11 #24

  • nirvana
  • nirvana's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Voluntarily Inactive
  • Rank0
  • Posts: 545
  • Thank you received: 148
  • Karma: 1
Space Bandit wrote:
1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become
unmanageable.

2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to
sanity.

3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we
understood Him.

4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.

5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature
of our wrongs.

6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.

7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.

8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make
amends to them all.

9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do
so would injure them or others.

10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly
admitted it.

11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with
God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us
and the power to carry that out.

12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these Steps, we tried to
carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our
affairs.

What do you folks think of this?



I know a lot of people who would be fucked now if it was not for the 12 step program. Can be very positive and helps to break addictions.
You must register to post here.

Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - The Twelve Steps 05 Sep 2012 00:17 #25

  • nirvana
  • nirvana's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Voluntarily Inactive
  • Rank0
  • Posts: 545
  • Thank you received: 148
  • Karma: 1
dawnbreak wrote:
I have heard that too Lesley , and when I attended a group at Cruise, 10 out the ten out the twelve people who had committed suicide attended AA , which personally does not give myself much confidence in that group.

there were only 2 of us attending that had partners who had commited suicide that weren't members of AA.........and personally that felt like a really really high number and something was going wrong somewhere with that organisation


The problem is there are many depressed and alcohol addicted people that pass through the ranks of AA and some will top themselves . Would they off still topped themselves with out the AA support?
You must register to post here.

Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - The Twelve Steps 05 Sep 2012 00:23 #26

  • dawnbreak
  • dawnbreak's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • R.I.P DG xxx
  • Posts: 3533
  • Thank you received: 1198
  • Karma: 94
In alot of ways it's sort of scientolgy ..........and the tweve steps reflect extrmely closely on scientolgy .............this is of course only my opinion but I have researched it quit extensively when i was encouraging my family member to go there.


Personally for anyone one else struggling with alchocol issues I think there are many more effective groups than AA

I attended aloycon (for one session) and they spent the first 30 mins telling me she was a selfish bitch then then next 30 min saying start praying , pick what ever you god you want but pray......

That actually made me leave thinking well you lot are are nuts...............(although it might help some people)
Last Edit: 05 Sep 2012 00:27 by dawnbreak.
You must register to post here.

Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - The Twelve Steps 05 Sep 2012 00:24 #27

  • dubs
  • dubs's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Voluntarily Inactive
  • Rank0
  • Goodbye and Goodluck
  • Posts: 5408
  • Thank you received: 2474
  • Karma: 69000000
nirvana wrote:
I know a lot of people who would be fucked now if it was not for the 12 step program. Can be very positive and helps to break addictions.

There's no denying that in many cases it gets results. I don't personally think it's the healthiest way (long term) to do it though. The process at Clouds House was literally designed to destroy people in order to then reprogram them. It was fucking horrible to witness, that's why I only lasted a few months. I wouldn't personally point anyone in that direction having seen it.
Last Edit: 05 Sep 2012 00:24 by dubs.
You must register to post here.

Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - The Twelve Steps 05 Sep 2012 00:26 #28

  • silvershine
  • silvershine's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Voluntarily Inactive
  • Rank0
  • I need a shave !
  • Posts: 556
  • Thank you received: 58
  • Karma: 6
nirvana wrote:
dawnbreak wrote:
I have heard that too Lesley , and when I attended a group at Cruise, 10 out the ten out the twelve people who had committed suicide attended AA , which personally does not give myself much confidence in that group.

there were only 2 of us attending that had partners who had commited suicide that weren't members of AA.........and personally that felt like a really really high number and something was going wrong somewhere with that organisation


The problem is there are many depressed and alcohol addicted people that pass through the ranks of AA and some will top themselves . Would they off still topped themselves with out the AA support?

A doctor can help too. :)
You must register to post here.

Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - The Twelve Steps 05 Sep 2012 00:32 #29

  • dawnbreak
  • dawnbreak's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • R.I.P DG xxx
  • Posts: 3533
  • Thank you received: 1198
  • Karma: 94
Personally i think AA is actually very dangerous , although it has helped alot of peole who are stonger it destroy's the weaker ones
You must register to post here.

Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - The Twelve Steps 05 Sep 2012 00:33 #30

  • diamondgeezer
  • diamondgeezer's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 3032
  • Thank you received: 1504
  • Karma: 89
A doc­tor can help too.

Unfortunately though, they don't.

Unless a prescription for prozac is what you need, which it isn't.
truth-zone.co.uk/ - the other place...

The pen is mightier than the sword
You must register to post here.
The following user(s) said Thank You: Space Bandit, Gilly

Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - The Twelve Steps 05 Sep 2012 00:43 #31

  • dawnbreak
  • dawnbreak's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • R.I.P DG xxx
  • Posts: 3533
  • Thank you received: 1198
  • Karma: 94
AA though starts getting you doing the steps ..........and when you reach the ninth step (I think it's the ninth) you have to phone and contact everyone and say 'well i was a bit of tit can you forgive me'


I've had experience listening mothers and fathers talking about how their children died in AA..............and they did blame AA for making making them feel useless and they commited sucide...................allegedgly if you fall off the wagon the other group members will call you names which will of course make some folk give up
Last Edit: 05 Sep 2012 00:45 by dawnbreak.
You must register to post here.

Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - The Twelve Steps 05 Sep 2012 00:47 #32

  • dubs
  • dubs's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Voluntarily Inactive
  • Rank0
  • Goodbye and Goodluck
  • Posts: 5408
  • Thank you received: 2474
  • Karma: 69000000
Dawn, I am hearing every word you say and totally agree. It's a shocking thing to do to people and I'm not surprised that when it's done out in 'the real world' away from rehabs, it can push people to suicide. The whole point of it is to make you loathe the person you've become so much that you effectively kill them off.
You must register to post here.

Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - The Twelve Steps 05 Sep 2012 00:47 #33

  • diamondgeezer
  • diamondgeezer's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 3032
  • Thank you received: 1504
  • Karma: 89
I don't like many aspects of the 12 steps programme (or of AA itself for that matter), but as has been pointed out they do work for many people.

And the sad reality is that for most, there's little or no alternative help available in the UK.
truth-zone.co.uk/ - the other place...

The pen is mightier than the sword
You must register to post here.
The following user(s) said Thank You: Space Bandit

Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - The Twelve Steps 05 Sep 2012 00:50 #34

  • Abs
  • Abs's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • How are you thinking today?
  • Posts: 6891
  • Thank you received: 3940
  • Karma: 112
Not sure how I feel about this. It's definitely not something I'd consider for myself, as I tend to go inward for strength rather than relying on anything external. Not saying it always works but that's just how I roll.

I have a relative who is quite an extreme alcoholic, unfortunately. Ultimately though, and this may sound uncaring but that is really not where I'm coming from, it's his decision. I've seen his family torn asunder all for wanting to try and 'fix' him and at the end of the day he throws it all back in their face by seemingly not giving a shit, about them or himself.

Having said that, if it was his decision to attend an organisation like this, I'd support him 100%. I'd support him no matter what his decision actually and maybe that's the wrong thing to do?

:dunno:

If he wants to piss his life away, what business is that of anyone else? All I can do is be there when he asks for help.
What we are today comes from our thoughts of yesterday, and our present thoughts build our life of tomorrow: Our life is the creation of our mind.

-Buddha
You must register to post here.

Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - The Twelve Steps 05 Sep 2012 01:01 #35

  • dubs
  • dubs's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Voluntarily Inactive
  • Rank0
  • Goodbye and Goodluck
  • Posts: 5408
  • Thank you received: 2474
  • Karma: 69000000
Oi put me onto this last night Abs, it seems relevant somehow:
You must register to post here.
The following user(s) said Thank You: Abs

Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - The Twelve Steps 05 Sep 2012 01:03 #36

  • Rick
  • Rick's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Voluntarily Inactive
  • Rank0
  • Posts: 1639
  • Thank you received: 553
  • Karma: 42
Ab Origine wrote:
Not sure how I feel about this. It's definitely not something I'd consider for myself, as I tend to go inward for strength rather than relying on anything external. Not saying it always works but that's just how I roll.

I have a relative who is quite an extreme alcoholic, unfortunately. Ultimately though, and this may sound uncaring but that is really not where I'm coming from, it's his decision. I've seen his family torn asunder all for wanting to try and 'fix' him and at the end of the day he throws it all back in their face by seemingly not giving a shit, about them or himself.

Having said that, if it was his decision to attend an organisation like this, I'd support him 100%. I'd support him no matter what his decision actually and maybe that's the wrong thing to do?

:dunno:

If he wants to piss his life away, what business is that of anyone else? All I can do is be there when he asks for help.

The 12 step program works best when your in a facility and actually I know hundreds of people who have been in a program based on the 12 steps,applying it in the real world with all the temptations makes many of them go back to drinking,it's a tough addiction,and with the combination of a drug addiction it really gets hard for them to function in regular society
A newborn puppy has no fear of a tiger.
You must register to post here.

Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - The Twelve Steps 05 Sep 2012 01:03 #37

  • mikey mikey
  • mikey mikey's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 6518
  • Thank you received: 3378
  • Karma: 23
silvershine wrote:

I think your avatar would look better with no socks...that way, we can see how short your trousers really are. :thumbup:

If there's one thing that oioioi is not short of, it's socks. ;) :bounce:
thank you St Jude for favours granted
You must register to post here.
The following user(s) said Thank You: dubs, oioioi

Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - The Twelve Steps 05 Sep 2012 01:06 #38

  • dubs
  • dubs's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Voluntarily Inactive
  • Rank0
  • Goodbye and Goodluck
  • Posts: 5408
  • Thank you received: 2474
  • Karma: 69000000
mikey mikey wrote:
If there's one thing that oioioi is not short of, it's socks. ;) :bounce:

Bada bada bum tish :)
Last Edit: 05 Sep 2012 01:06 by dubs.
You must register to post here.

Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - The Twelve Steps 05 Sep 2012 01:06 #39

  • nirvana
  • nirvana's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Voluntarily Inactive
  • Rank0
  • Posts: 545
  • Thank you received: 148
  • Karma: 1
dubmeup wrote:
nirvana wrote:
I know a lot of people who would be fucked now if it was not for the 12 step program. Can be very positive and helps to break addictions.

There's no denying that in many cases it gets results. I don't personally think it's the healthiest way (long term) to do it though. The process at Clouds House was literally designed to destroy people in order to then reprogram them. It was fucking horrible to witness, that's why I only lasted a few months. I wouldn't personally point anyone in that direction having seen it.


The AA may not be the best way but for alot of people thats the only choice. I think the main thing is ,is getting a AA group that you feel comfortable in. My mate went to a few groups and hated it. Then he found another AA group a couple of miles out of town and he loved it they had a very good net work in this circle and there was allways someone to ring up all hours of the night for support. There was also lots of socials etc.

I would say the 12 step program can be very positive depending on which AA circlce you join .
Last Edit: 05 Sep 2012 01:13 by nirvana.
You must register to post here.

Re: Alcoholics Anonymous - The Twelve Steps 05 Sep 2012 01:06 #40

  • dawnbreak
  • dawnbreak's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • R.I.P DG xxx
  • Posts: 3533
  • Thank you received: 1198
  • Karma: 94
diamondgeezer wrote:
I don't like many aspects of the 12 steps programme (or of AA itself for that matter), but as has been pointed out they do work for many people.

And the sad reality is that for most, there's little or no alternative help available in the UK.


I do think there are many alterntives................I spent 2 years trying to get help for my family member................she is now sober and that was not down to AA
Last Edit: 05 Sep 2012 01:10 by dawnbreak.
You must register to post here.
The following user(s) said Thank You: diamondgeezer
Moderators: oioioi, psketti, batou
Time to create page: 0.215 seconds

Latest Members Blogs

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
Prev Next

What is going on when it comes to 9-11 I…

The EPA (environmental protection agency) and OSHA took air samples in the days following September 11th, they reported that they found no excessive levels of asbestos contrary to other findings....

Read more

9-11 Eleven Years Later

9-11 Eleven Years Later

With the anniversary of September 11th literally just around the corner, unanswered questions still remain for families who lost loved ones during the tragic event, as well as from families...

Read more

Strange Noises, Possible Link to Mass An…

Strange Noises, Possible Link to Mass Animal Deaths

In 2008 the U.S. Supreme Court agreed to review a series of lower court rulings that restrict the United States Navy's use of sonar in submarine detection training exercises off...

Read more

Annual Server Target

Whether its 50 cents or five dollars, your donations are appreciated and help keep this community site running so we can all continue to enjoy using it.
This target is to meet our server cost for one year, June 2020 - May 2021, in USD.
$ 340 - Target
( £ 250 GBP )
donation thermometer
donation thermometer
$ 192 - Raised
( £ 140 GBP )
donation thermometer
56%
Most Recent Donation:
$122 USD on 4th Jan 2021
Bitcoin Address: bc1q0kazqya0nurfxtunxv807vm0m8852nnrrk8mj8
 
Ethereum Address: 0xe69915c80dd75df19f438d556267e04f932f057d
 
More Info: Donation options for TZ

No one is obliged to donate, please only donate what you can afford. Even the smallest amount helps. Being an active member is a positive contribution. Thank You.

TradeZone Latest

default
99 CDs all in good condition
Music
09.11.2012 21:12

default
Cream, 2-seater leather sofa
Miscellaneous
18.08.2012 12:14

default
Enfield Striking movement
Miscellaneous
04.08.2012 0:16

Visitors

Today6442
Yesterday8316
Week35444
Month60379
Total1158803
Your IP Address: 216.73.217.37 Your Browser and OS: Unknown - Unknown Saturday, 29 August 2026 19:27

Who Is Online

Guests : 353 guests online Members : No members online
© 2012 – 2021 Sanctum Zone | All rights reserved. This website is a place for people to express and discuss their views on the news and world events. DISCLAIMER: Please Note: Views expressed and submitted by contributors are their own personal opinions and do not necessarily reflect the views, opinions and beliefs of the Sanctum Zone website and its founder(s) , administrators , moderators , and any other website maintenance technicians, personnel and volunteers. Articles and messages posted on this website and forum are solely the opinion of their authors.

Login or Register

LOG IN

Register

User Registration
or Cancel