oioioi wrote:
wake_up_bomb wrote:
But going back months, and certainly weeks, people left the site because they didn't feel they could express certain views, or that the forum wasn't inclusive. What views did they not feel they could express? And what element of themselves was excluded? I thought we were a pretty tolerant and welcoming site, and I would have been comfortable expressing any opinion here.
Were the original questions posed by wub your response:
Frog wrote:
It's not my thing to catalog and archive content and then present it as evidence. I think the the evidence is readily available on the site for those that have read it. Those that don't pickup on that vibe clearly don't read those post in the same light as others which would suggest that the SZ fits their requirements. There are other who read the same content and feel quite differently about what they read and the vibe they pickup, which is evident from the reduction/absence in/of formerly active members, clearly they didn't feel their needs were met. I happen to share their view...I guess that's what makes us all different.
It's not about who is right or wrong it's about creating the community you wish it to be.
There is my response which if you had the ability you would have already read after following the link which also indicated it's relevance.
One reason for not trawling through the forum raking up examples of the vibe given off here is because in doing so it drags third parties in to the shit, when they may well prefer not to be associated with or reminded of the shit that has gone on. In the case of the SZ they may well no longer be active members here and there for lack the ability to clarify their position or feelings on the current thread. That to doesn't seem fair or acceptable when members here have already read much of the content once. Another would be limitations on my time. Thirdly I wasn't impressed the first time, so going over that crap again isn't appealing especially when the issue is so blatantly obvious and readily accessible.
The evidence as stated is there in plane sight for those who wish to see it! You have read the same content as everyone else here, so if you don't see the signs of bullying, cliques, argumentative, provocative, hypocritical, rude, offensive, and childish... replies that doesn't mean that others do not. Enough did see those very things and they left either as a result of being a recipient of that treatment or in disgust at the attitudes on display. I really could care less if you choose to ignore those facts, the people that concern me are the ones who were affected by those things, whether they are now absent or active here or not! Clearly you don't share any of those concerns either with respect to the individuals effected or the community as a whole. One could be forgiven for thinking that you are rather selfish and immature with a very large chip on your rather narrow shoulder.
Frog wrote:
oioioi wrote:
thoreau wrote:
oioioi wrote:
It's claustrophobic with this elephant in the room, who's gonna start the "NaNs, yes or no" thread?
that cant be the only elephant at least I genuinely hope that it isnt. I know that they have been brought up elsewhere but assumed they were an example rather then a proper reason.
I'd hope so too but it's the only one visible from where I'm sitting. WUB's (more than reasonable) question was asking for specifics, none are forthcoming.
I think you will find that that is as a result of your obsession!
Comprehension hasn't improved any then or perhaps it's your ignorant attitude maybe if you had been bothered to read the page you struggled to scroll through you wouldn't need to persistently demonstrate those traits of yours!
Here's
one you obviously ignored or failed to comprehend, here's
another which is a response to both Thoreau and WUB and here is yet
another you seem to have conveniently swerved, sidestepped or hidden away from.
We all get that you have trouble dealing with anything that extends beyond a one word post or god forbid a whole sentence. Unfortunately there isn't a cartoon picture, kids cartoon or music video that can be served up for you that would help you grasp the situation here.
So big boy, I think it's time you stepped up and demonstrate exactly how things should be done - try something positive and creative for a change instead of hurling weak gibes from the shadows where you need do nothing productive. This place needs someone to sort shit out so get up and sort it! You have taken long enough to pluck up the courage to coming out singing again now lets see you back your shit up. Andy can bring you up to speed on the requirements which aren't hard to meet! My keys are sitting here for you when you're ready to move in.
Where to start?
This seems like a pretty good place for you to start seeing as you have run away from it twice already...
Frog wrote:
oioioi wrote:
thoreau wrote:
if the community is not aware of issues they cannot address them.
That's what sticks in my craw over this whole 'event'.
As I recall you were personally involved in the discussions presented for debate and if memory serves me correctly you were personally most vocal in them. So much so you actually broke the one sentence barrier on more than one occasion. I also seem to have some memory of you leading the charge and opening new threads to tackle issues at hand. Which is great that demonstrates that you're passionate about the place and were and are actively involved in the community debate.
So the problem I'm having is understanding the problem your having in understanding that issues were out there to be tackled by the community. The community consensus was always observed and adhered to by the admin team when and where a consensus was formed.
The upside to the current situation is that active members of the community such as yourself now have the opportunity to roll your sleeves and take responsibility while you build the community you wish to see. You now have the limelight from where you can perform your magic as apposed to being cloaked in the shadows of a private box in the upper circle. Your free from the tyrannical admin team that has been holding you back. That has to be a positive thing surely?
So how do you propose to help the community and Andy move things forward? Which is actually the primary objective of this thread as well as serving to inform and involve the community.
So what are you going to do then Bigboy? Deflect and distract as usual? Humm nothing seems to be changing around here then.
Firstly, you provide some links to some other posts where you make the same general assertion but don't answer WUB's questions; secondly, is there a community policy on posting single sentences and/or walls of text with little substance? I'm unaware of them. As for the rest of your post and general tone.... well, it's there in black & white.
Yes there are a few general policies and a guide here that would indeed cover the use of one line posts and redundant inclusion of single sentences. That would be where the intent of the trite contribution is intended to be offensive, insightful and aggressive (passive or otherwise) while offering nothing to further the discussion compounded by the fact that no respect for others is quite blatant as a result.
As for walls of text with no substance I'm not sure your qualified to comment as you have indicated you ignored them and where you choose to knowledge you deliberately fail to comprehend them. It's interesting to note that from the walls of incriminating comments I have made you have chosen one fragment which has been replied to to pick away at. I guess what you mean my lacking in substance is that there is little for you to contest or enter a fallacious argument with.
If you think I'm in the slightest but worried about what you think of the tone in one isolated post of mine you are very much mistaken. Anyone with the ability to discern fact from fiction will see that the tone of my response was borne out of frustration but remained factual. The frustration is a direct result of your continual barracking, immature passive aggression and evasive contributions.
You may fool some of the people some of the time, but I can assure you you do not fool all of them all of the time.
In case you have forgotten them, and would like to get back to the point in hand, a quick reminder of WUBs rather pertinent questions:
What views did they not feel they could express? And what element of themselves was excluded?
I think WUB is actually more than capable of recognising the points that have been indicated. He has read the forum and can go back and read earlier content if he actually needs go back at all to establish what is meant.
Here is a very short taste of the type of crap that has had a negative effect here which you may appreciate. It's restricted to you and as few other parties as was possible.
The names of individuals have been removed for their privacy. The links are provided access to the source, in the event that anyone doubts the existence of validity of the quoted material, which is intended to demonstrate some of the issues being referred to.
Welcome to the SZ...enjoy.
Example 1
oioioi wrote:
??? wrote:
Do people living under the rule of the Royal Sceptre understand what freedom of speech is?
Cunt.
Yep, seems we do.
Example 2oioioi wrote:
??? wrote:
*pops in to join in with the ganging up and use of the word cunt to add the word, dick*
Are you known as ??? elsewhere ????
Ganging up? That's sooooooooo last week, apparently it's all about tribaling up now, right RA?
oioioi wrote:
??? wrote:
oioioi wrote:
??? wrote:
I was ganged up on
Disagreed with by the majority.
I don't mind being disagreed with, I just don't like being ridiculed and indirectly called a cunt and a dick
You were directly called those things...
after you'd decided we were ganging up on you and insulting you.
oioioi wrote:
??? wrote:
???, what did your comment have to do with the thread and my opinion of the SZ?
I'm back on the DIF, big deal. It's a forum...unless joining other forums is frowned up on here
Also I've still been signed into this place far more than the DIF since I went back there
I've been accused of a lot of things, passively aggressively called a cunt by you oi. Accused of slagging this place off by ???, and also accused by ??? of needing a reason to leave the place thus starting "trouble".
I've been here since the beginning, half of you are only here because you've been banned from Icke.
I'm just stating my opinions. You can disagree with me without accusing me of things and passive aggressively calling me a cunt
Stop being a cock. I call everyone a cunt, particularly in this thread.
You want us to make it easy for you by being stale/cliquey. Just pick your reason and start your thread....
oioioi wrote:
oioioi wrote:
I say the clique has a vote "Is ??? a cunt?"
50.1% required and yer in lad!
Example 3
oioioi wrote:
??? wrote:
??? wrote:
??? wrote:
??? wrote:
??? wrote:
If your girlfriend/boyfriend doesn't think that 9-11 was an inside job, does that make you a sheep shagger?
Ba-dum-tish..
Will watch the vid later ???, cheers.
Very enlightening vid about the bullshit we get caught up in regarding awake v sheep .
To be fair ???, it's only a few weeks since you took it upon yourself to call ??? a sheep.
I was being sarcastic
Cunt.
What a star you are and no mistake would you like to see more? That was just a few minutes worth of glancing, I can do better if you insist. I can expand on the individuals if that's what people really want to see raked up here! That's actually something I would prefer not to do but I am more than capable if that is really what is required at this stage.
dubmeup wrote:
frog, my issue with your post was not it's "factual content", it was with what i perceive to be it's disrespectful and sarcastic tone. as i understand it, one of the reasons for the tz is that you chaps feel that this place hasn't lived up to it's remit of being respectful of each other. i for one am trying to post with that in mind, it is no small irony and sadness that you yourself are apparently not. that's all i have to say really.
Well Dub the thing is this what you're doing is targeting me and also creating the illusion that I would and do post in that tone and manor as a matter of course which we both know isn't the case. We also know that provocation has been employed to insight a reaction from where ever one can be invoked. We me old fruit when you keep poking you should expect to get bitten as a result. please don't bleat on at me about my attitude as a result of one post after being beyond patient.
I think the vast majority will be aware of the fallacious proposition you have closed that post with. If you're seriously proposing that I post here with totally disregard for the ethos of the SZ and don't care about it or the community you really haven't been paying much attention. I should also point out that your being hypocritical in your attempt, while you blatantly refuse to apply these sentiments to the many deserving offenders.
Now a little word about respect as you kindly brought it up...
Respect is earned, it's not something that can be taken, further more it can only be given to those that have earned it.
Have you ever noticed rainbows casting dark shadows before? Looks like someone is getting their kicks from this.
