Fuckin' Greeks!

oioioi wrote:
I am reporting you for something.

batou wrote:
I don't quite understand this but I want it on a Poster.

feather wrote:
Why not, I think it would be a beautiful wedding.
On August 30, I went to see in Chile, the 35th Tribute to Elvis Presley. The place was full.
Got to meet the singer who was a good double of Elvis, talked with him, he talked and sang exactly like Elvis.
He was american, from Philadelphia ,but had family in Tennesee. After that he would sing in Viña del mar, and then in Atlanta.
It was an excellent show.
He told me he had gone to see the Beatles when they came to USA in 1964. He definetly liked them.
His name was Shaw Klush.

In your daughter's wedding it would take off the excesive seriousness out of these ceremonies. IMHO.
I had some pictures taken with him, and a black lady who sang with the real Elvis, she did the chorus.
The band played great.

Got way off topic ,hope you guys don't mind





This is one song of the show of Shaw Klush doing and singing Elvis.

i-baster wrote:
There be nothing to understand i-baster... the bible thumpers got to batty gave him magic muffings or some shit along those lines...we've lost him, he went to the dark side

That is racist.

how was that racist?

Dark side?

Yeah... as in Jedi... Star Wars ... dark side...
I don't see how this is racist... lol

So you are racist towards all non jedi's?

what the fuck are you on?
and feel free to share

It is more about what I lack.

Yes I give that line to my haters.

well if ye be lacking and willing to pay, ill transport

If you mean wings I am vegetarian.

Now fuckin tell me they aren't putting something in the water stateside (and Canada, too).

batou wrote:
You are not prying, in fact I am only too happy to try to answer you.
batou wrote:
I think perhaps all of the most difficult issues at the centre of existence are talked of in metaphors. In fact our modern concept of the literal being synonymous with the "real" is manifest in how we describe emotions and feelings as "all in our head" as if we perceived reality in any other way. This is especially true of positive feelings. Negative feelings we concede are "the reality" of a traumatic experience or even just a one requiring courage: after all bungee jumping merely requires gravity to take effect. As easy as falling off a log: literally and metaphorically. "However, " they say "you try it!" The experience of how one feels there and then is suddenly the reality. It is even more likely that talk of positive feelongs like joy, contentment, fellowship and love will be described as "all in our head". When we speak of "really knowing somebody" we often refer to people's darker side. Oddly descriptions of Hell are much more common and vivd in art and culture than Heaven. This is especially true of modern times: Where is the heavenly equivilant of the horror film?

Reminding ourselves just what "real" has come to mean and how that has somehow been reduced to "literal" or "physical" helps us in understanding the question you have asked: What is Hell and Heaven. Is it literally real or is it just a metaphor?

Some people use the word "believe" to mean "I acccept without question because is is the ethos of the group I am with". They skip the hard work of scrutiny and reflection.

You were a child and perhaps he was trying to convey to you that Heaven is not waterskiing or whatever your hobby is (I don't like waterskiing) but rather paradise is akin to that feeling he happens to get while waterskiing. That is putting it in a very superficial way but I guess you are a kid. Better maybe to say that somebody "in Hell" could never enjoy waterskiing or anything else for that matter because his or her own spitefulness, envy, hate etc could not allow him or her too. Only by waterskiing where other people were not allowed to (Pride) or where he disturbed others (cruelty) might please him.


That is the brilliant thing about SZ. I hope my attempt at an answer was in some way helpful.

thanks mikey, appreciate your views.
im not saying i looked down on people who had ideas of a cartoon afterlife, but i thought it was far fetched. the state of soul / mind idea seems much more palatable to me somehow. i grok that

I'm not saying this is 'factual' or anything, but a book I read about astral projection claimed that many religious people who pass over, waste a lot of time before progressing to their next stage of existence, because they hover about in a heaven or hell for a bit, until they realise it's a figment of their own imagination, created by their expectations, connected to strong beliefs.

As I said, I'm not proposing that to be in any way accurate, but I do find it interesting to contemplate such possibilities.

oioioi wrote:
Far more to our friend batou than a brilliant sense of humour. He is our funny bone and reminds of just how ridiculous this all is.
oioioi wrote:
I am both flattered and humbled but most of all I feel a words not often used today: kinship, fellowship and gratitude.

I would much rather discuss theologocal matters with you folks than anybody else online. IRL my best insights into these issues often come from talking with my brother who is an atheist. As I said once before; many an atheist has actually thought about it while many a Christian has not.

As for anarchy and Christianity, they are certainly not mutually exclusive. TPTB (for want of a better name) have co-opted the Christian movement to a terrible degree. However if you look at things like Liberation Theology and more importantly the Early Church, to be a Christian is to rebel against every worldy power.

That is a deal and I will be getting the first round. Bring my fiddle too!

Erm...which Holy Island are you guys talking about please?
I'm with Mikey about the architecture and general solace and tranquility that can be found in many a church/chapel/cathedral. I particularly like monasteries. One of the most amazing 'energy' spots I have found here in the UK is Buckfast Abbey in Devon....nowhere like it....sheer bliss that stays with you for days! My lovely mum visited there with me many years ago, and for years afterwards (until dementia has got the better of her), she would always say that whenever she felt low/sad/anxious etc, she would just close her eyes and remember her visit there, and peace and harmony would be restored.

www.buckfast.org.uk/page-home.html


Jane