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Poll: Did you bring your own?

Yes Bar 4 66.7%
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TOPIC: The Great Plastic Bag Debate.

The Great Plastic Bag Debate. 25 Sep 2012 20:02 #1

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Are you for or against the culling of free plastic bags with which to carry your consumer goods home?

If you partake in the vote, please explain your choice.

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Personally, I find it a little sinister that such would need to be worked into legislation (and has been so easily, apparently) only after stores tried and failed to do it themselves not so long ago in the UK.
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Last Edit: 25 Sep 2012 20:09 by Abs.
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Re: The Great Plastic Bag Debate. 25 Sep 2012 20:05 #2

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Ooops...should have been put somewhere like chat. Fevva, can you sort it for me, please?

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Re: The Great Plastic Bag Debate. 25 Sep 2012 20:08 #3

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I do keep and reuse mine.
The throwing away of plastics is something which concerns me quite a bit.
They take far too long to degrade and are already entering the foodchain.
Last Edit: 26 Sep 2012 10:22 by feather.
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Re: The Great Plastic Bag Debate. 25 Sep 2012 20:10 #4

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I've put yes, BUT that's only providing they replace them with the kind of heavy-duty, biodegradable ones that I saw the likes of Cagney & Lacy typically using in America, a great many years ago.
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Re: The Great Plastic Bag Debate. 25 Sep 2012 20:11 #5

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feather wrote:
I do keep and reuse mine.
The throwing away of plastics is something which concerns me quite a bit.
They take far too long to degenerate and are already entering the foodchain.

So do I. I use them for all sorts of things.

I'm not completely convinced re degradability issues either...I shall need to conduct further testing for myself on that one, feather.

How would you feel about getting caught short and having to pay for a new bag to carry the shopping that you've also just scanned yourself home in?
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Re: The Great Plastic Bag Debate. 25 Sep 2012 20:14 #6

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Gilly wrote:
I've put yes, BUT that's only providing they replace them with the kind of heavy-duty, biodegradable ones that I saw the likes of Cagney & Lacy typically using in America, a great many years ago.

I believe they're called "ghetto" bags, Gilly.

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And I agree, a much more sensible option, but seemingly not even up for consideration. :dunno:
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Re: The Great Plastic Bag Debate. 25 Sep 2012 20:17 #7

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Ab Origine wrote:
feather wrote:
I do keep and reuse mine.
The throwing away of plastics is something which concerns me quite a bit.
They take far too long to degenerate and are already entering the foodchain.

So do I. I use them for all sorts of things.

I'm not completely convinced re degradability issues either...I shall need to conduct further testing for myself on that one, feather.

How would you feel about getting caught short and having to pay for a new bag to carry the shopping that you've also just scanned yourself home in?

I'm solidly against using paper bags, and even believe a newspaper is a waste of good wood, as for plastic bags they should be done away with also, and make people bring there own canvas, or cloth bag to a store with them, and eventually this probably will happen, but not soon enough
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Re: The Great Plastic Bag Debate. 25 Sep 2012 20:17 #8

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Ab Origine wrote:
Gilly wrote:
I've put yes, BUT that's only providing they replace them with the kind of heavy-duty, biodegradable ones that I saw the likes of Cagney & Lacy typically using in America, a great many years ago.

I believe they're called "ghetto" bags, Gilly.

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And I agree, a much more sensible option, but seemingly not even up for consideration. :dunno:

Why doesn't it surprise me! Well then I change my vote to, "Rickets to the establishment, one and all".

*Edit* To Rick - the paper ones are recyclable though, and when shopping for a family, you're not talking about a canvas bag, you're talking about 8 - 12 canvas bags.
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Re: The Great Plastic Bag Debate. 25 Sep 2012 20:19 #9

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Gilly wrote:
"Rickets to the establishment, one and all".

Extreme sig-worthiness. :up:
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Re: The Great Plastic Bag Debate. 25 Sep 2012 20:38 #10

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Ab Origine wrote:
How would you feel about getting caught short and having to pay for a new bag to carry the shopping that you've also just scanned yourself home in?
That's how I usually end up with them in the first place Ab.
I refuse point-blank to use a self-scan.
I would rather play daft and have an assistant scan them for me or go to another store than play that game.
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Re: The Great Plastic Bag Debate. 25 Sep 2012 20:46 #11

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feather wrote:
Ab Origine wrote:
How would you feel about getting caught short and having to pay for a new bag to carry the shopping that you've also just scanned yourself home in?
That's how I usually end up with them in the first place Ab.
I refuse point-blank to use a self-scan.
I would rather play daft and have an assistant scan them for me or go to another store than play that game.

Good man. :up:

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Re: The Great Plastic Bag Debate. 25 Sep 2012 20:53 #12

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Actually, ordering online is even better when it comes to preserving peoples jobs.
With Tesco for instance, (My son used to work with them), I know that my order is printed out, a staff member has to go around the store picking my goods and scanning them through a till. Then another employee has to drive the van and deliver them to me.
I sit on my ass and save two jobs.
If I go to the store, I do all the lifting, scan them myself, then cart them home. Negating those two jobs.
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Re: The Great Plastic Bag Debate. 25 Sep 2012 20:56 #13

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Ooh...careful, feather. Slippery slope, mate. :couch:
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Re: The Great Plastic Bag Debate. 25 Sep 2012 21:00 #14

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Just found this:



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Re: The Great Plastic Bag Debate. 25 Sep 2012 21:03 #15

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Ab Origine wrote:
Just found this:



:chuckle:
Which is more than I did. :umm:
We're sorry, the page you requested cannot be found.

Sort it out laddie.

Edit: Damn you and your quick fixery skillz making me look silly! :hmm:
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Re: The Great Plastic Bag Debate. 25 Sep 2012 21:06 #16

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A resounding YES.

I save and re-use mine, take em back to Asda or Tesco, even though you can look a bit odd carrying empty crumpled carrier bags around...

Tell you what can be fun though...take your old Asda bags to Tesco and vise-versa...cop the looks you get in-store... :hahano:

Seriously though, the answer is simply for supermarkets to charge for their carrier bags, say 5p or perhaps 10p. And then the food would be a bit cheaper too wouldn't it?
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Re: The Great Plastic Bag Debate. 25 Sep 2012 21:09 #17

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diamondgeezer wrote:
A resounding YES.

I save and re-use mine, take em back to Asda or Tesco, even though you can look a bit odd carrying empty crumpled carrier bags around...

Tell you what can be fun though...take your old Asda bags to Tesco and vise-versa...cop the looks you get in-store... :hahano:

Seriously though, the answer is simply for supermarkets to charge for their carrier bags, say 5p or perhaps 10p. And then the food would be a bit cheaper too wouldn't it?

Oh, certainly...just like it's all got cheaper since they started replacing human beings with robot check-outs.

Wake up to yourself DG!! BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE! :spank:
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Re: The Great Plastic Bag Debate. 25 Sep 2012 21:19 #18

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Ab Origine wrote:
diamondgeezer wrote:
A resounding YES.

I save and re-use mine, take em back to Asda or Tesco, even though you can look a bit odd carrying empty crumpled carrier bags around...

Tell you what can be fun though...take your old Asda bags to Tesco and vise-versa...cop the looks you get in-store... :hahano:

Seriously though, the answer is simply for supermarkets to charge for their carrier bags, say 5p or perhaps 10p. And then the food would be a bit cheaper too wouldn't it?

Oh, certainly...just like it's all got cheaper since they started replacing human beings with robot check-outs.

Wake up to yourself DG!! BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE! :spank:

All right...correction...the food COULD be a bit cheaper, couldn't it?

Happy now mr pedant.. :ar:
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Re: The Great Plastic Bag Debate. 25 Sep 2012 21:44 #19

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Ab Origine wrote:
Are you for or against the culling of free plastic bags with which to carry your consumer goods home?

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Personally, I find it a little sinister that such would need to be worked into legislation (and has been so easily, apparently) only after stores tried and failed to do it themselves not so long ago in the UK.

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Re: The Great Plastic Bag Debate. 25 Sep 2012 21:54 #20

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Ab Origine wrote:
I'm not completely convinced re degradability issues either...I shall need to conduct further testing for myself on that one, feather.

I have talked about this before with someone, could have been yourself i think.

Many plastics fall apart in strong sunlight much faster than some people claim. In australia for example, plastic shopping bags begin to disintegrate within a year and become white powder...heck HDPE plastic begins to fall apart out here, and i am talking the 44 gallon drums made to hold chemicals etc. and IBC's . I have plenty of experience in witnessing this. they begin to turn to powder, become brittle and eventually crumble and crack etc.

so shopping bags dont last long out here at all if left in the sun.

Sometimes bags containing products left outside simply fall apart when one has forgotten about them and goes to retrieve them months later...the sun seems to be the catalyst here, not time...keep the plastic in the dark and it is a different story.

Im not saying that the plastic powder that results is a good thing though btw...im looking at that as a seperate issue...it wouldnt be very organic i suspect and who knows what effects it has on organisms down the track...but on the bags themselves not breaking down "for a thousand years" or some other claims i have read in the media...I call BS!
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