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Re: putting the world to right. 09 Dec 2012 21:49 #261

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Gue, ra and anyone else, do you understand what is meant by the term "debt based currency" well enough to make an informed choice on the question i asked for a show of hands on? If not i'm sure someone can link you up.
Am i right in thinking the current currency we all use everyday is debt based?

I would say it's clearly obvious that such a currency can work.

Like i said before...

If the majority of humans wanted another system of currency there would have been a revolution long ago.

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Re: putting the world to right. 09 Dec 2012 21:51 #262

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Marx himself wasn't stupid enough to discount the positive things capitalist modes of production have created, I don't see why I should be as a humble beneficiary of the capitalist exploitation of the entire planet, i drink tea with sugar and smoke tobacco and cannabis that is only possible thanks to commerce ;)

Though I undoubtedly and obviously am opposed to the violent imposition of Bourgeois dictatorship, wage slavery, exploitation and violent imposition of the Capitalist mode of production which has gone on for the last 60years on a global scale, I don't deny it creates an enormous amount of wealth for small minority groups.

That's the UK population btw ;)
You don't believe a word that you're saying. You can't possibly be pro-capitalism and pro-Marxism, it'd be like being pro-choice and pro-life. Your only intention is to disrupt this thread. Please desist from doing so. Dub and Andy are sincere and intelligent people. I'm not going to waste my time discussing anything with you after you profess to be Marxist but also made pro-Monsanto posts, but other people haven't worked out that you're a time-waster yet, so please don't waste their time. On a more draconian forum, I have no doubt you'd be on warning / banned etc. Ring any bells?
ok another one who think's he knows it all, what exactly does being "pro-something" entail in your mind :chuckle:
I can acknowledge the good points in the sense that Capitalism has created the material conditions which could if utilized by the Proletarian class completely eradicate poverty.
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Re: putting the world to right. 09 Dec 2012 22:05 #263

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Guevarista wrote:
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Oh so now you admit these socialist dictators are murdering scum then and this whole marxism bollox is really psychopathic bullshit? :)
Andy you don't even know what you're talking about, you're just repeating words you've heard before :up:

Stalins a killer right?
What do you think he was? Ayn Rand capitalist ffs lol?
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Re: putting the world to right. 09 Dec 2012 22:10 #264

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Yeah now you're just trolling, why not go and read some critiques of stalin inform yourself before coming across as an ill informed child?
I posted one here:
sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/General/76330-wa...sh-the-russians.html

Anyway it's gone way Off topic, so WUB and Dubs I hope I answered both your questions, on with the show of hands.
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Re: putting the world to right. 09 Dec 2012 22:13 #265

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Guevarista wrote:
dubmeup wrote:
Gue, ra and anyone else, do you understand what is meant by the term "debt based currency" well enough to make an informed choice on the question i asked for a show of hands on? If not i'm sure someone can link you up.
Am i right in thinking the current currency we all use everyday is debt based?

I would say it's clearly obvious that such a currency can work.

:killinme:

For who?
Oh yea and for you Oi, I always enjoy reading your posts, I said "can" didn't say "does" or "is perfect".
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Re: putting the world to right. 09 Dec 2012 22:17 #266

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Guevarista wrote:
oioioi wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
dubmeup wrote:
Gue, ra and anyone else, do you understand what is meant by the term "debt based currency" well enough to make an informed choice on the question i asked for a show of hands on? If not i'm sure someone can link you up.
Am i right in thinking the current currency we all use everyday is debt based?

I would say it's clearly obvious that such a currency can work.

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For who?
Oh yea and for you Oi, I always enjoy reading your posts, I said "can" didn't say "does" or "is perfect".

Likewise.

You can be an antagonistic little cunt when you want to be, and that's a trait I admire :chuckle:
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Re: putting the world to right. 09 Dec 2012 22:21 #267

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Guevarista wrote:
Yeah now you're just trolling, why not go and read some critiques of stalin inform yourself before coming across as an ill informed child?
I posted one here:
sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/General/76330-wa...sh-the-russians.html

Anyway it's gone way Off topic, so WUB and Dubs I hope I answered both your questions, on with the show of hands.

What do you think all these dictators are?
You expect some Godlike being with the sun that shines out of his arse who will distribute everything equally by magic.
This is EXACTLY the same bullshit as espoused by the right wing authoritarian numbnuts like HJ.

It reeks of religion.
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Re: putting the world to right. 09 Dec 2012 22:23 #268

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Well done gue. You're taking this thread down a similar path to which you took the empathy thread.

Sometimes you have to wonder...
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Re: putting the world to right. 09 Dec 2012 22:23 #269

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Okay, so if we could actually get back to the actual topic of the thread...one possible short-term measure against the debt-based, centralised monetary system is Bitcoin. I'm not sure how this will work out in reality, I'm sure that it will be heavily attacked if it gains prominence, but it's already started to gain some traction. There is a video discussing it here:



And a whole channel dedicated to it here:

www.youtube.com/user/bitcoinchannel

I haven't had time to research it in depth yet, but I have noticed that some websites are already accepting it, and I've seen jobs on freelance websites to design Bitcoin-only sites, so it is making some progress. Of course, I'm sure there are many challenges ahead for it, and many people won't be able to get their head around it, and that it will be attacked by the monetary authorities, but this is a community-based currency that cannot be centrally controlled or issued.
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Re: putting the world to right. 09 Dec 2012 22:24 #270

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You don;t even understand or know my point of view but already try to make it seem the worst possible imaginable thing.

That's fine andyh, you can go back to the topic your such an authority on, reactionary right wing approach to the economic collapse.
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Re: putting the world to right. 09 Dec 2012 22:25 #271

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dubmeup wrote:
Well done gue. You're taking this thread down a similar path to which you took the empathy thread.

Sometimes you have to wonder...
I wonder if you've questioned anything you believe in the last five years.
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Re: putting the world to right. 09 Dec 2012 22:30 #272

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Guevarista wrote:
dubmeup wrote:
Gue, ra and anyone else, do you understand what is meant by the term "debt based currency" well enough to make an informed choice on the question i asked for a show of hands on? If not i'm sure someone can link you up.
Am i right in thinking the current currency we all use everyday is debt based?

I would say it's clearly obvious that such a currency can work.

Like i said before...

If the majority of humans wanted another system of currency there would have been a revolution long ago.

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Did you not then go on to discuss that rising awareness of the system is a major factor in that? As in iirc you were fairly chipper on the effect of the internet revolution and stuff...
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Re: putting the world to right. 09 Dec 2012 22:31 #273

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Guevarista wrote:
dubmeup wrote:
Well done gue. You're taking this thread down a similar path to which you took the empathy thread.

Sometimes you have to wonder...
I wonder if you've questioned anything you believe in the last five years.

What is that even? :dunno: is that from disruptomarx volume 1 or 2?
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Re: putting the world to right. 09 Dec 2012 22:33 #274

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Guevarista wrote:
I wonder if you've questioned anything you believe in the last five years.
Please abide by the rules that you signed up for, moderate yourself, or leave the thread.
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Your contribution is in no way constructive and I'm sure several people by now share my view.
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Re: putting the world to right. 09 Dec 2012 22:33 #275

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dubmeup wrote:
Well done gue. You're taking this thread down a similar path to which you took the empathy thread.

Sometimes you have to wonder...

Wonder about what?

This thread had been dead for 2 months until i bumped it on post # 31.

So stop saying Gue is trying to derail your thread that's nonsense dubs.

It was already ridiculous enough you had the empathy thread locked.
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Re: putting the world to right. 09 Dec 2012 22:43 #276

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Marx himself wasn't stupid enough to discount the positive things capitalist modes of production have created, I don't see why I should be as a humble beneficiary of the capitalist exploitation of the entire planet, i drink tea with sugar and smoke tobacco and cannabis that is only possible thanks to commerce ;)

Though I undoubtedly and obviously am opposed to the violent imposition of Bourgeois dictatorship, wage slavery, exploitation and violent imposition of the Capitalist mode of production which has gone on for the last 60years on a global scale, I don't deny it creates an enormous amount of wealth for small minority groups.

That's the UK population btw ;)
You don't believe a word that you're saying. You can't possibly be pro-capitalism and pro-Marxism, it'd be like being pro-choice and pro-life. Your only intention is to disrupt this thread. Please desist from doing so. Dub and Andy are sincere and intelligent people. I'm not going to waste my time discussing anything with you after you profess to be Marxist but also made pro-Monsanto posts, but other people haven't worked out that you're a time-waster yet, so please don't waste their time. On a more draconian forum, I have no doubt you'd be on warning / banned etc. Ring any bells?
Andyh infringed any rules you posted as much or more than I have, I draw your attention to sub section #1 mi'lud
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Does that include calling Marxism psychopathic bullshit and personally attacking me as some authoritarian or idiot, or the masses of marxists as idiots and the masses of non marxist members of the population as dumb idiots mi lud??
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Re: putting the world to right. 09 Dec 2012 22:47 #277

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@ra Yes, you resurrected the thread with a snide comment. The sz responded by picking the thread up again and moving it on apace.
And now, the thread is indeed being disrupted and you're helping that.

Have i got any bit of that wrong?

As for your thoughts on me asking for a thread i started to be closed. Do i look bovvered?
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Re: putting the world to right. 09 Dec 2012 22:50 #278

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Guevarista wrote:
Does that include calling Marxism psychopathic bullshit and personally attacking me as some authoritarian or idiot, or the masses of marxists as idiots and the masses of non marxist members of the population as dumb idiots mi lud??

Nope.

But it does include this
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Out of interest how did you gain knowledge of the system, were you a banker, accountant, economics student? could you please be thorough?
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Andy you don't even know what you're talking about, you're just repeating words you've heard before :up:
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ok another one who think's he knows it all,
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Yeah now you're just trolling, why not go and read some critiques of stalin inform yourself before coming across as an ill informed child?
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Re: putting the world to right. 09 Dec 2012 22:50 #279

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Does that include calling Marxism psychopathic bullshit and personally attacking me as some authoritarian or idiot, or the masses of marxists as idiots and the masses of non marxist members of the population as dumb idiots mi lud??
I'm not having a discussion with you because as I said previously you don't believe a word that you say. You don't believe in Marxism, you are merely here to disrupt things, which you have successfully done here as some well-meaning people have more faith in human nature than me. I am perfectly happy to ignore you.

This thread isn't about Marxism. And you are not Marxism. So saying that Marxism is psychopathic bullshit is not a personal attack. It was you who made the thread about Marxism, even though you also believe in capitalism, not Andy. I've just listed all the rules that you've broken. I realise you don't read because you didn't read anything that I posted on the thread, but you should read and act consistently with the rules that you signed up for.

Obviously it's completely pointless for me to type this as you're only here to cause disruption and don't have any sincere intentions or views. Please desist from derailing the thread any further.
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You don;t even understand or know my point of view but already try to make it seem the worst possible imaginable thing.

That's fine andyh, you can go back to the topic your such an authority on, reactionary right wing approach to the economic collapse.

The RWA's you speak of do not believe in sound money any more than the LWA's.
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