martg wrote:
The main groups that spring to mind are the big movers and shakers in politics, RIAA, Club of Rome, Bilderberg, Trilateral commission.
The same family names keep cropping up with these groups and they all work towards the centralization of power, and write papers on post democratic era, one world government etc.
Weishaupt believed in this unification and was the first that I'm aware of to popularise the term New World Order.
George Washington wrote about the infiltration of the lodges by the illuminati and Pike's letters seem to indicate he was part of that group and believed in the new world order.
Manly P. Hall also spoke of the new world order but also said there was a rift in freemasonry as to what that means, it seems that some freemasons believe in the subjugation of the masses under this global system, some believe in bringing enlightenment to the masses.
maybe there is actually quite a lot of division within these secret societies as to what the agenda is, but as they all take an oath of secrecy it's hard to tell.
P.S. sorry it took so long to reply, got interrupted by a long phone call
Howdy Mart i think this is a very good post, however it needs to be developed imo, you relate to various instances in history which is a good thing, but you bring them up in an a way in which one is unable to understand their connection, in a random order, slightly devoid of context, you've showed us they all spoke of the NWO but they weren't the first, it's my view that you can't really view this current drive for global civilisation as separate from the experience/consciousness of various other World Empires that had a rise and fall, I'd say the NWO Washington built was different from the one G Bush, Reagan onto Thatcher, Blair and Brown started constructing:
1993 Nov 8 Mo
Margaret Thatcher
Speech to the Fraser Institute ("The New World Order")
Document type: public statement
Document kind: Speech
Venue: TorontoMaggie wrote:
I'm going to start off with the economic side of politics. You must get your economics and the enterprise right. For, if you do not, first you'll have no standing in international affairs, and secondly no one else will listen to you at all. So we knew we had to get the economy right. We had to do four things pretty well immediately.
First, we had to get the rate of income tax down. When I took over, the top rate of income tax on earnings was 83 percent, and the standard rate was 33 percent—that was much too high. I believed in incentives, and so in the first budget that had to come down immediately and we had to pick up the lost revenue by indirect taxes. Nevertheless, with the extra incentive, people right through the whole piece began to work with more will when there was something to work for. When they knew full well that the lion's share of the earnings would go to them, to enable them to look after themselves and their families and their future standard of living.
Next, we were all tied up with far too many regulations. Even my own party had been prone to enact more regulations. You couldn't determine your prices; there was a Prices Commission. You couldn't determine your incomes; there was an Incomes Commission to determine what was the norm for increase in wages, regardless of the performance of the country, of the company. You couldn't, in fact, determine your dividend, and you couldn't get the amount of foreign exchange that you wanted. You couldn't develop your factories where you wanted to because there were Development Certificates.
All of these things went in our very first budget, which was three weeks after we'd taken over. And even some of my best friends said, "Oh come off it, don't you think you're going a bit fast?" I tell you that because it is surprising how socialism penetrates even good Conservatives sometimes.
Considering it's the basis of Human Evolution madame Patriarch, one needn't be so surprised, I strongly doubt Manly P Hall or Adam Weishaupt were calling for a NWO along the lines of the current global Capitalist machine, there is a cult in the Mid East that is one of the oldest sources of the term New World Order;
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_%28Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD%29
again I would say they are using the term completely differently to the likes of Bush and Blair etc, from a completely different material and cultural basis, so it would seem to me, and I think it's a key point,
there is not one unified NWO agenda, but different competing (perhaps only one based on Competition though)
forces for and against change.
But I digress wildly, my main point is really a request, I'd be really greatful if you wrote a brief development of the current NWO that you personally oppose, what is it's direct root?
Peace
Sorry Nov... but those giant LIZARD's in human form are in fact reptiles... not able to reach an consensus on that.
