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Re: Forced into becoming more Democratic... 31 Dec 2012 17:52 #41

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Thanks for the link with the info.
I can see why this is appealing.

2 things stand out.

1) Elimination of corporate personhood.

2) I thought they mentioned ended fractional reserve banking but its just 100% reserve on demand deposits. :)

The rest of it is a bit pie on the sky and unrealistic for a country of that size and population unless there is a massive debt write off and perhaps several years of the most painful depression you can imagine.

I would instead envision forced status quo for the most part with concessions just made on allowing green taxation on the masses.

I doubt very very much Nader could ever achieve #1 on the list above there without getting shot first ;)
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Re: Forced into becoming more Democratic... 31 Dec 2012 18:32 #42

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Yeah Obama has no power to do anything cos he got elected for his last term on the back of such things as promising to stop the practice of signing executive orders.


Oh wait....Hang on a mo.....
This is a very good point. I did, in fact, include the fact that he promised to stop using signing statements to by-pass Congress, but has failed to do so, in my list of things that I'd like him to do.

Another thing to consider is...how often do we see some really contentious or, frankly, despicable bills stall at the Congress or Senate, but then ultimately they are forced through? Quite often. They pretend to play hardball, but this is just a theatre for the public to buy into, and God knows it works well.

Remember the 'debt ceiling crisis'? Well, surprisingly, the banking system ultimately got what it wanted, and the debt ceiling was raised. What a surprise. Now we have the completely phony 'fiscal cliff' debate. The Congress will fold like Superman on laundry day when it comes down to it because they know very well that the United States is weeks away from not being able to pay its social security. Whatever Obama wants to do may conceivably be watered down very slightly, but ultimately it will get passed, because if it doesn't then people will find out what a true shit-hitting-the-fucking-fan crisis is. Great, hoorah, we solved that crisis, America can go on borrowing, more and more people can end up in poverty and on food stamps, the can gets kicked a bit further down the road, the banking system gets what it wants, the corporate media who are controlled by the people who benefit will whitewash the whole thing to make it sound like the result was good for America and an example of a fully-functioning political system.

So if it's possible to bypass Congress for nefarious reasons, and to pass bills into existence when there's a supposed crisis, and to use all kinds of underhand tactics to get the Congress and Senate to accept things that they should oppose if they have a grain of morality left in them...then why isn't possible to get some good bills past Congress? Because no-one tries, that's why. No-one even attempts to address the root cause of corporate-fascism. As long as the Congressmen and women can keep getting paid, and the vested interests that run the country get what they want, and none of the millions of people that are getting completely screwed every day of their lives realise it, and continue to turn out and vote for the same two corporate candidates, then nothing can or will change, at least at a political level.
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Re: Forced into becoming more Democratic... 31 Dec 2012 19:22 #43

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I haven't got a crystal ball, honestly, you just need to hang on to the sense that you were born with in order to guess what will happen next:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20879174
Obama: Fiscal cliff deal 'within sight'

A deal to avoid the "fiscal cliff" of tax rises and spending cuts is "within sight" - but not yet done, US President Barack Obama has said...after weeks of increasingly desperate horse trading and public pronouncements, the "contours" of a deal were said to be emerging just hours before the midnight deadline.
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Re: Forced into becoming more Democratic... 31 Dec 2012 19:35 #44

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
I haven't got a crystal ball, honestly, you just need to hang on to the sense that you were born with in order to guess what will happen next:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20879174
Obama: Fiscal cliff deal 'within sight'

A deal to avoid the "fiscal cliff" of tax rises and spending cuts is "within sight" - but not yet done, US President Barack Obama has said...after weeks of increasingly desperate horse trading and public pronouncements, the "contours" of a deal were said to be emerging just hours before the midnight deadline.

I seem to be pretty good with the crystal ball lol.
I'll put my neck out and say that they'll do the same thing they did last year at the last minute and kick the can again.
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Re: Forced into becoming more Democratic... 31 Dec 2012 19:38 #45

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andyh wrote:
I seem to be pretty good with the crystal ball lol.
I'll put my neck out and say that they'll do the same thing they did last year at the last minute and kick the can again.
It's either that or this:

Simpsons Mob Torches


And I don't think they'll pick the latter, somehow.
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Re: Forced into becoming more Democratic... 31 Dec 2012 21:57 #46

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Frankly I am amazed that the things people such as myself are posting on the BBC HYS on the subject of the fiscal cliff tonight are not being modded to Icke....The mods there must be pi55ed or summat :O
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Re: Forced into becoming more Democratic... 31 Dec 2012 22:08 #47

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dubmeup wrote:
Frankly I am amazed that the things people such as myself are posting on the BBC HYS on the subject of the fiscal cliff tonight are not being modded to Icke....The mods there must be pi55ed or summat :O

modded to icke?
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Re: Forced into becoming more Democratic... 31 Dec 2012 22:28 #48

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Yeah andy I use 'icke' as a swear word when I don't feel like saying fuck or cunt or twat or summat :D
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Re: Forced into becoming more Democratic... 31 Dec 2012 22:32 #49

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Yeah andy I use 'icke' as a swear word when I don't feel like saying fuck or cunt or twat or summat :D

I'm amazed they object to the idea that all will be rosy shortly tbh :)
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Re: Forced into becoming more Democratic... 01 Jan 2013 00:40 #50

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:chuckle:
Have now pretty much achieved complete hijack of the BBC HYS on the fiscal cliff. No longer is it about the fiscal cliff. It's now all about the creation of money in a fractional reserve system, resultant spiraling National debt Ponzi scheme leading to inevitable economic collapse of the World's reserve currency and the next phase. World currency.

Good skills those that hang out at the Beeb :chuckle:

Someone in the editorial dept over there is gonna be for it :D
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Re: Forced into becoming more Democratic... 01 Jan 2013 00:47 #51

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dubmeup wrote:
:chuckle:
Have now pretty much achieved complete hijack of the BBC HYS on the fiscal cliff. No longer is it about the fiscal cliff. It's now all about the creation of money in a fractional reserve system, resultant spiraling National debt Ponzi scheme leading to inevitable economic collapse of the World's reserve currency and the next phase. World currency.

Good skills those that hang out at the Beeb :chuckle:

Someone in the editorial dept over there is gonna be for it :D

lol, good night to try it on too, they're probably all off work :D
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Re: Forced into becoming more Democratic... 01 Jan 2013 00:57 #52

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I made a comment that several people have re-posted. That comment is now sitting on the highest rated page (one of the requotes), directly beneath it is another of my comments relating this all to Libya and Africa as a whole :chuckle:
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Re: Forced into becoming more Democratic... 01 Jan 2013 01:12 #53

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Have you got a link, Dub?
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Re: Forced into becoming more Democratic... 01 Jan 2013 01:15 #54

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20879174

Get in there and take the next shift cos I'm done for the night ;)
I'm Noel over there btw
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Re: Forced into becoming more Democratic... 01 Jan 2013 01:29 #55

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Thanks, I haven't got time to read it all tonight, I've got to do some unimportant paid work before I go to sleep that I've been putting off all day! #346 is an excellent post, though, hopefully Lucy and others will look into what you've said.
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Forced into becoming more Democratic... 01 Jan 2013 19:10 #56

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I wonder how this fiscal cliff will play out...
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Forced into becoming more Democratic... 01 Jan 2013 19:12 #57

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.......... wrote:
I wonder how this fiscal cliff will play out...
They've already agreed a deal:

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/america...ff-deal-8434429.html

This will pass. There'll be some pathetic political theatre that will take place, but it will be passed.
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Forced into becoming more Democratic... 01 Jan 2013 19:20 #58

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
.......... wrote:
I wonder how this fiscal cliff will play out...
They've already agreed a deal:

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/america...ff-deal-8434429.html

This will pass. There'll be some pathetic political theatre that will take place, but it will be passed.

Looks like they moved up the tax hike from people making over $250,000 to people making over 400,000 per year.

I can't even take the Pentagon cuts serious at this point yet...
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Forced into becoming more Democratic... 01 Jan 2013 19:26 #59

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
.......... wrote:
I wonder how this fiscal cliff will play out...
They've already agreed a deal:

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/america...ff-deal-8434429.html

This will pass. There'll be some pathetic political theatre that will take place, but it will be passed.

Oh look I predicted it, omfg how did I manage to do that I wonder? :D
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Forced into becoming more Democratic... 01 Jan 2013 19:29 #60

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.......... wrote:
Looks like they moved up the tax hike from people making over $250,000 to people making over 400,000 per year.

I can't even take the Pentagon cuts serious at this point yet...
Look, mate, don't hold your breath waiting for that system to do anything for "hard working Americans" (as they always like to refer to them) like you. As I said before, you probably do more for America than virtually everyone in the Congress and Senate put together.
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