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The Sad Truth To Why Most People May Not Wake Up! 28 Jan 2013 22:39 #21

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My worst pet hate, A preist that was once a warrior.

What makes you say that?

Think about it.

Knowing how to kill someone and actually doing it, then believing you can make it better by telling others thou shalt not kill, unsane.

Depends if he turned over a new leaf.
It would be strange for someone to become a warrior who was once a priest wouldn't it? :D

I wanna see a politician become a doley :D...oh hang on they 'retire' don't they? :p
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The Sad Truth To Why Most People May Not Wake Up! 29 Jan 2013 02:20 #22

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Depends if he turned over a new leaf.

Yea that's what i was thinking...

A warrior is a young mans mindset.
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The Sad Truth To Why Most People May Not Wake Up! 29 Jan 2013 02:37 #23

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We're just dreaming different dreams.
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The Sad Truth To Why Most People May Not Wake Up! 29 Jan 2013 13:20 #24

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Spoon fed information :D
Your only spoon fed it if your looking for it. Fuck me do you really bother reading the news, then reading all the batty conspiracy theories about everything.

yes, actually i do... and most of it makes no sense, and having been in the journalist field, i know damn well how they censor and change information to suit their needs (or the higher ups). facts dont go into a lot of reporting anymore, ur supposed to spin it so its an interesting "story" not just the cold hard facts of the situation when its something big. i form my own opinion b4 i read the "conspiracy" side of it, i do have that ability unlike some ppl in the general public who get their opinion formed for them.
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SInternet people posting bollox about countries they have never been to and getting info from obscure sources on the net.
Awakened :killinme:

been to quite a few countries, n not as a tourist either :coffee: argument invalid
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SI get on with my life not worry about the state of the world, individual countries, Governments as if you dont know all ready there is fuck all you can do about it.
I'm at a lot sharper end of the stick than all of you on here, so believe me when I say your pissing in the wind :hide:

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raising the question though, why are you here?
we're pissing in the wind or so you say, don't know what we're talking about you imply...why bother then eh?

Well of course the news is censored and skewed, and its done to what ever political persuasion the news or paper owner is affiliated to. Nothing new there, been like that since roman times. But you still feel the need to read it :think:

Actually the argument of not being in a country or speaking to the population is a classic example of "I know better" when not on the ground. Just for the recent example of Mali and CAR, the locals want intervention, actually protesting in front of embassies to get intervention :killinme: But no not on here, its a great big plot ffs. The Tuareg is the major complication in Mali and the Malian army with recent defections and then beheading of Tuareg fighters who were caught by AIQM etc etc. Wont fucking find that in the news. The blowing up of wells in the Mauritanian border region to stop the AIQM having access to water.

Correct you are pissing in the wind, tell me how your going to change anything ?
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The Sad Truth To Why Most People May Not Wake Up! 29 Jan 2013 13:35 #25

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entrangermercenary1 wrote:

Well of course the news is censored and skewed, and its done to what ever political persuasion the news or paper owner is affiliated to. Nothing new there, been like that since roman times. But you still feel the need to read it :think:

So where do you get your uncensored, unbiased news from? :roll:
Actually the argument of not being in a country or speaking to the population is a classic example of "I know better" when not on the ground.
Whereas being there in your capacity as guest of the ambassador obviously gives you the full picture. :roll:
Just for the recent example of Mali and CAR, the locals want intervention, actually protesting in front of embassies to get intervention :killinme:
All of them?
But no not on here, its a great big plot ffs. The Tuareg is the major complication in Mali and the Malian army with recent defections and then beheading of Tuareg fighters who were caught by AIQM etc etc. Wont fucking find that in the news. The blowing up of wells in the Mauritanian border region to stop the AIQM having access to water.

You should be a reporter ;)
Correct you are pissing in the wind, tell me how your going to change anything ?

With bigger guns, obviously :roll:
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The Sad Truth To Why Most People May Not Wake Up! 29 Jan 2013 13:37 #26

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What is the point of being awake if you can't be free? Unless you're brought up by parents who are awake then I don't think you will ever be free. Then again, what is awake anyway? Is it a spiritual thing or just knowing that there is a control system? Even if you are awake, does it help you if there's nothing you can do about it?

Sorry, but I'm having a period of bleak existential angst at the moment. January - grrr! :hahano:

Awake IMHO is simply about realising that we could live our lives differently. That we don't need politicians, don't need money.
Its simply about noticing that much of our lives revolve around lies which create an artificial reality.
Our true power lies in simply understanding some core truths, we could for example put men on mars in a matter of months if we wanted to. There is nothing stopping us other than 'money' which is an artificial concept that we have imposed on ourselves :)

You needn't stop there either, we could feed and clothe and provide healthcare for everyone on the planet. 100% clean energy for all.
The list just goes on and on and the more you see it the more pissed off you get.

That in a nutshell is awakening. There is no need to associate it with 'new agey spiritualism' or anything like that.

Just see nature for what it is and see mankinds creation for what it is and how ne'er the twain will meet.

Every body is then awake, everybody realises they can live there life differently. I could but do I want to thats the question. Money may well be an artificail concept but its what we have, how are you going to change this concept ? What is the alternative ?
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The Sad Truth To Why Most People May Not Wake Up! 29 Jan 2013 13:46 #27

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andyh wrote:
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@merc... lets put it this way, awake not meaning "a fantasy world that does not exist" but instead being, spoonfed information or a story without question. awake = questioning what you are told, how you deal with things (do you take what you are told are face value and do everything you are told vs do you take what you are told and question it, especially if you think something is wrong/off about it)

*steps back* ok, now u and andy can commence in having a jello fight :D

Thats basically what I already said above but he's already said we have authority and thats the way it has to be etc etc.
Precisely what you would want if you wanted to keep your family lineage going at the top of the tree indefinitely, keep them stupid and obedient.

Tell me somewhere that has not got authority from the most primitive tribes in Papua or the Amazon. There has to be a rule of law some where along the line. If you want a situation ala Bosnia mid 90s then :D
Who is going to provide law and order...the people :D

You will find its fuckers with big weapons who can organise quickly and are mobile who will be ruling the roost :spank:

Thats not rule of law merc, its called 'might is right'.
Knuckle dragging neanderthals tend to be happy with it.

The whole reason why people break laws in most cases boils down to money, which is itself an artificial creation that is completely unnecessary. You don't need to reference any spiritual new agey bollox here, its not what the ppl on this forum are all about.
I don't know anyone here offhand who goes for the reptilian moonbase crap for example.

Like I said earlier, everything we do on this planet more or less boils down to money, where theres money theres motive. Simple as.
Thats not a conspiracy theory, its just common sense.

As for the foreign places I've been to a heck of a lot :)

There you have the truth..'might is right'.
Bosnia was the best example of what happens when the shtf and there is no Government. Each individual village trying to survive, joining up with the neighbours and bartering. Local warlords running the show, weapons everywhere. Criminal elements coming to the fore, that's the reality of a shtf and a non governed populance. You of all people should know what bad fuckers are on this planet, who would open you up for a tin of sardines.
Like Ive said before everywhere has a type of leadership or rules or governance.
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The Sad Truth To Why Most People May Not Wake Up! 29 Jan 2013 13:50 #28

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entrangermercenary1 wrote:
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There you have the truth..'might is right'.
Bosnia was the best example of what happens when the shtf and there is no Government. Each individual village trying to survive, joining up with the neighbours and bartering. Local warlords running the show, weapons everywhere. Criminal elements coming to the fore, that's the reality of a shtf and a non governed populance. You of all people should know what bad fuckers are on this planet, who would open you up for a tin of sardines.
Like Ive said before everywhere has a type of leadership or rules or governance.

I agree, as long as there are inadequate types with small dicks and big guns nowt will improve.
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The Sad Truth To Why Most People May Not Wake Up! 29 Jan 2013 14:00 #29

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The Apprentice wrote:
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@merc... lets put it this way, awake not meaning "a fantasy world that does not exist" but instead being, spoonfed information or a story without question. awake = questioning what you are told, how you deal with things (do you take what you are told are face value and do everything you are told vs do you take what you are told and question it, especially if you think something is wrong/off about it)

*steps back* ok, now u and andy can commence in having a jello fight :D

Thats basically what I already said above but he's already said we have authority and thats the way it has to be etc etc.
Precisely what you would want if you wanted to keep your family lineage going at the top of the tree indefinitely, keep them stupid and obedient.

Tell me somewhere that has not got authority from the most primitive tribes in Papua or the Amazon. There has to be a rule of law some where along the line. If you want a situation ala Bosnia mid 90s then :D
Who is going to provide law and order...the people :D

You will find its fuckers with big weapons who can organise quickly and are mobile who will be ruling the roost :spank:

Nah, I've got a T 92 tank, :chuckle: you and I have seen a similar line of duty many times, we both know fine well war is an end not a sollution, nor sustainable living. However I like your attitude of getting on with life and looking after your own, making and doing. That is what we should all be doing, not fighting for a lost cause.

All the great men I once knew who were killed for fuck all, deserved better, left young families behind, just like ours, feed the monster we both worked for by all means, this old squaddie knows its just not worth it, we got lucky.

My worst pet hate, A preist that was once a warrior.

What I will say on this is you were in the Brit Army working under a strict orders regime SOPs ROEs etc and a chain of command. Ive worked a lot with the opposite, no ROEs, SOPs I introduced and we answered to ourselves and local "commanders".
Bartering did take place for eg I needed some bergens so traded grenades with the scout shop for some. Diverted rations from the red crescent to our location and then traded for other kit or fresh meat we required. Cigarettes were probably the best bartering item because war suddenly made everybody smoke !! As it was we did not smoke so a Brucie bonus in the barter stakes. But all this bartering was done with plenty of weapons in hand as well. Every shop the owner had a AK to hand and people on street corners nocking out any item they could were also armed.

I would have to agree there is a lost cause although I dont know if there was any realistic cause to start with.
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The Sad Truth To Why Most People May Not Wake Up! 29 Jan 2013 14:01 #30

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Every body is then awake, everybody realises they can live there life differently. I could but do I want to thats the question. Money may well be an artificail concept but its what we have, how are you going to change this concept ? What is the alternative ?

What do you mean everybody realises it? lol! :p
Hardly anyone I've met knows anything different.
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entrangermercenary1 wrote:
andyh wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
andyh wrote:
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@merc... lets put it this way, awake not meaning "a fantasy world that does not exist" but instead being, spoonfed information or a story without question. awake = questioning what you are told, how you deal with things (do you take what you are told are face value and do everything you are told vs do you take what you are told and question it, especially if you think something is wrong/off about it)

*steps back* ok, now u and andy can commence in having a jello fight :D

Thats basically what I already said above but he's already said we have authority and thats the way it has to be etc etc.
Precisely what you would want if you wanted to keep your family lineage going at the top of the tree indefinitely, keep them stupid and obedient.

Tell me somewhere that has not got authority from the most primitive tribes in Papua or the Amazon. There has to be a rule of law some where along the line. If you want a situation ala Bosnia mid 90s then :D
Who is going to provide law and order...the people :D

You will find its fuckers with big weapons who can organise quickly and are mobile who will be ruling the roost :spank:

Thats not rule of law merc, its called 'might is right'.
Knuckle dragging neanderthals tend to be happy with it.

The whole reason why people break laws in most cases boils down to money, which is itself an artificial creation that is completely unnecessary. You don't need to reference any spiritual new agey bollox here, its not what the ppl on this forum are all about.
I don't know anyone here offhand who goes for the reptilian moonbase crap for example.

Like I said earlier, everything we do on this planet more or less boils down to money, where theres money theres motive. Simple as.
Thats not a conspiracy theory, its just common sense.

As for the foreign places I've been to a heck of a lot :)

There you have the truth..'might is right'.
Bosnia was the best example of what happens when the shtf and there is no Government. Each individual village trying to survive, joining up with the neighbours and bartering. Local warlords running the show, weapons everywhere. Criminal elements coming to the fore, that's the reality of a shtf and a non governed populance. You of all people should know what bad fuckers are on this planet, who would open you up for a tin of sardines.
Like Ive said before everywhere has a type of leadership or rules or governance.

And like I said, the only people who think might is right are the sort who drag their knuckles along the ground.
They like it because they're criminals themselves, thats how it works.
So what you end up with is a world full of crime servicing crime. It's only 'right' if you're a moron.
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oioioi wrote:
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Well of course the news is censored and skewed, and its done to what ever political persuasion the news or paper owner is affiliated to. Nothing new there, been like that since roman times. But you still feel the need to read it :think:

So where do you get your uncensored, unbiased news from? :roll:
Actually the argument of not being in a country or speaking to the population is a classic example of "I know better" when not on the ground.
Whereas being there in your capacity as guest of the ambassador obviously gives you the full picture. :roll:
Just for the recent example of Mali and CAR, the locals want intervention, actually protesting in front of embassies to get intervention :killinme:
All of them?
But no not on here, its a great big plot ffs. The Tuareg is the major complication in Mali and the Malian army with recent defections and then beheading of Tuareg fighters who were caught by AIQM etc etc. Wont fucking find that in the news. The blowing up of wells in the Mauritanian border region to stop the AIQM having access to water.

You should be a reporter ;)
Correct you are pissing in the wind, tell me how your going to change anything ?

With bigger guns, obviously :roll:

Well my info comes from when Im on the ground in the country not sitting on some PC copy and pasting some bollox :D
Who said my views were unbiased ? Of course the are biased to what I witness not the drivel I read.

As a population there will always be one or 2 detractors , a 100% for intervention no, but lets hazard a guess at 99.9%

Guess sitting in GREECE gives you a great picture of CAR/MALI/KENYA/NIGER/MAURITANIA/SUDAN... just to name a few ;)

Go get your tattoo done, get the nice box set and live in the past its good :spank:
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Every body is then awake, everybody realises they can live there life differently. I could but do I want to thats the question. Money may well be an artificail concept but its what we have, how are you going to change this concept ? What is the alternative ?

What do you mean everybody realises it? lol! :p
Hardly anyone I've met knows anything different.

Is that right. If you ask people do they want to live differently the majority are going to say yes. They aint that fucking stupid. They Know they are being shafted, but again what are you going to do about it ?
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andyh wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
andyh wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
andyh wrote:
StarsChildren wrote:
@merc... lets put it this way, awake not meaning "a fantasy world that does not exist" but instead being, spoonfed information or a story without question. awake = questioning what you are told, how you deal with things (do you take what you are told are face value and do everything you are told vs do you take what you are told and question it, especially if you think something is wrong/off about it)

*steps back* ok, now u and andy can commence in having a jello fight :D

Thats basically what I already said above but he's already said we have authority and thats the way it has to be etc etc.
Precisely what you would want if you wanted to keep your family lineage going at the top of the tree indefinitely, keep them stupid and obedient.

Tell me somewhere that has not got authority from the most primitive tribes in Papua or the Amazon. There has to be a rule of law some where along the line. If you want a situation ala Bosnia mid 90s then :D
Who is going to provide law and order...the people :D

You will find its fuckers with big weapons who can organise quickly and are mobile who will be ruling the roost :spank:

Thats not rule of law merc, its called 'might is right'.
Knuckle dragging neanderthals tend to be happy with it.

The whole reason why people break laws in most cases boils down to money, which is itself an artificial creation that is completely unnecessary. You don't need to reference any spiritual new agey bollox here, its not what the ppl on this forum are all about.
I don't know anyone here offhand who goes for the reptilian moonbase crap for example.

Like I said earlier, everything we do on this planet more or less boils down to money, where theres money theres motive. Simple as.
Thats not a conspiracy theory, its just common sense.

As for the foreign places I've been to a heck of a lot :)

There you have the truth..'might is right'.
Bosnia was the best example of what happens when the shtf and there is no Government. Each individual village trying to survive, joining up with the neighbours and bartering. Local warlords running the show, weapons everywhere. Criminal elements coming to the fore, that's the reality of a shtf and a non governed populance. You of all people should know what bad fuckers are on this planet, who would open you up for a tin of sardines.
Like Ive said before everywhere has a type of leadership or rules or governance.

And like I said, the only people who think might is right are the sort who drag their knuckles along the ground.
They like it because they're criminals themselves, thats how it works.
So what you end up with is a world full of crime servicing crime. It's only 'right' if you're a moron.

So the General population of Bosnia were criminals and knuckle draggers :spank:

Most men armed themselves for the safety of the families, so they could get food, barter and be on a level playing field with everybody else. Your trying to change the human gene in the nut that says SURVIVE, ain't going to happen.
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Every body is then awake, everybody realises they can live there life differently. I could but do I want to thats the question. Money may well be an artificail concept but its what we have, how are you going to change this concept ? What is the alternative ?

What do you mean everybody realises it? lol! :p
Hardly anyone I've met knows anything different.

Is that right. If you ask people do they want to live differently the majority are going to say yes. They aint that fucking stupid. They Know they are being shafted, but again what are you going to do about it ?

They'll just say yes and then say that they'll be voting labour next time round or tory etc.
They're nowhere near the kind of level of thinking I'm talking about.
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entrangermercenary1 wrote:
andyh wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
andyh wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
andyh wrote:
StarsChildren wrote:
@merc... lets put it this way, awake not meaning "a fantasy world that does not exist" but instead being, spoonfed information or a story without question. awake = questioning what you are told, how you deal with things (do you take what you are told are face value and do everything you are told vs do you take what you are told and question it, especially if you think something is wrong/off about it)

*steps back* ok, now u and andy can commence in having a jello fight :D

Thats basically what I already said above but he's already said we have authority and thats the way it has to be etc etc.
Precisely what you would want if you wanted to keep your family lineage going at the top of the tree indefinitely, keep them stupid and obedient.

Tell me somewhere that has not got authority from the most primitive tribes in Papua or the Amazon. There has to be a rule of law some where along the line. If you want a situation ala Bosnia mid 90s then :D
Who is going to provide law and order...the people :D

You will find its fuckers with big weapons who can organise quickly and are mobile who will be ruling the roost :spank:

Thats not rule of law merc, its called 'might is right'.
Knuckle dragging neanderthals tend to be happy with it.

The whole reason why people break laws in most cases boils down to money, which is itself an artificial creation that is completely unnecessary. You don't need to reference any spiritual new agey bollox here, its not what the ppl on this forum are all about.
I don't know anyone here offhand who goes for the reptilian moonbase crap for example.

Like I said earlier, everything we do on this planet more or less boils down to money, where theres money theres motive. Simple as.
Thats not a conspiracy theory, its just common sense.

As for the foreign places I've been to a heck of a lot :)

There you have the truth..'might is right'.
Bosnia was the best example of what happens when the shtf and there is no Government. Each individual village trying to survive, joining up with the neighbours and bartering. Local warlords running the show, weapons everywhere. Criminal elements coming to the fore, that's the reality of a shtf and a non governed populance. You of all people should know what bad fuckers are on this planet, who would open you up for a tin of sardines.
Like Ive said before everywhere has a type of leadership or rules or governance.

And like I said, the only people who think might is right are the sort who drag their knuckles along the ground.
They like it because they're criminals themselves, thats how it works.
So what you end up with is a world full of crime servicing crime. It's only 'right' if you're a moron.

So the General population of Bosnia were criminals and knuckle draggers :spank:

Most men armed themselves for the safety of the families, so they could get food, barter and be on a level playing field with everybody else. Your trying to change the human gene in the nut that says SURVIVE, ain't going to happen.

Yep survive and thrive in a world that rewards crime.
If you don't get it yet you never will, lol.
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Well my info comes from when Im on the ground in the country not sitting on some PC copy and pasting some bollox :D
Who said my views were unbiased ? Of course the are biased to what I witness not the drivel I read.

Hearing something then repeating it is a verbal copy and paste with only your mind as a drivel filter :roll:
As a population there will always be one or 2 detractors , a 100% for intervention no, but lets hazard a guess at 99.9%

You've not done a comprehensive 'on the ground' survey then? :roll:
Guess sitting in GREECE gives you a great picture of CAR/MALI/KENYA/NIGER/MAURITANIA/SUDAN... just to name a few ;)

I don't suppose being in Greece makes me some authority on the whole country :roll:
Go get your tattoo done, get the nice box set and live in the past its good :spank:

Erm, you seem to be the one unable to see a different future stuck in your own narrow-minded past based present.
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The Sad Truth To Why Most People May Not Wake Up! 29 Jan 2013 14:42 #38

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but again what are you going to do about it ?

An RBE solution is an evolutionary concept not a revolutionary one.
It doesn't require anyone to 'do' much other than wait for the 100th monkey effect.

The initial research and theory is in place, whats needed now is scientific proof which will require some funding and effort, I've already donated money and my expertise to it, although I'm annoyed with the focus on yet more videos about it instead of getting on with it.
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The Sad Truth To Why Most People May Not Wake Up! 29 Jan 2013 15:59 #39

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andyh wrote:
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Every body is then awake, everybody realises they can live there life differently. I could but do I want to thats the question. Money may well be an artificail concept but its what we have, how are you going to change this concept ? What is the alternative ?

What do you mean everybody realises it? lol! :p
Hardly anyone I've met knows anything different.

Is that right. If you ask people do they want to live differently the majority are going to say yes. They aint that fucking stupid. They Know they are being shafted, but again what are you going to do about it ?

They'll just say yes and then say that they'll be voting labour next time round or tory etc.
They're nowhere near the kind of level of thinking I'm talking about.

So by that I would assume the voter percentage would be the same and not dramatically decreased over the last decade ? :think:
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andyh wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
but again what are you going to do about it ?

An RBE solution is an evolutionary concept not a revolutionary one.
It doesn't require anyone to 'do' much other than wait for the 100th monkey effect.

The initial research and theory is in place, whats needed now is scientific proof which will require some funding and effort, I've already donated money and my expertise to it, although I'm annoyed with the focus on yet more videos about it instead of getting on with it.

Are you talking about this ?

futurewewant.org/portfolio/resource-based-economy/
Just explain the 100 monkeys to me not sure about that !
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