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OK, this is what's made me mad as hell today..... 09 Oct 2013 22:25 #281

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And finally, to bring us full circle back to my original post...
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OK, this is what's made me mad as hell today..... 09 Oct 2013 22:28 #282

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andyh wrote:
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Absent, the whole vid being faked, as I already said, at the start the trails do appear to be mingling. As in, they are in close formation at a very similar altitude...Please don't make me type it again :D

Hmmm I've watched it again just to be sure and the trails are not mingling, they're at different altitude on the same direction.
Also 6000ft seems wrong to me as its well above cumulus clouds there. Ofc its difficult to get that right as its zoomed in with no reference.

I've been in plenty of planes myself (again this weekend groan...) and often seen planes cross and a couple of times I shit myself cos I thought they'd hit but there was thousands of feet between them.

look again and pay close attn from around 0:32 (just before and after one plane goes 'off'). To my eyes, those trails are mingling. Though ofc, your eyes may not see it the same way. Discount the 6000 ft thing as you are ofc correct, there is no way of telling from that vid.
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OK, this is what's made me mad as hell today..... 09 Oct 2013 22:56 #283

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I know what you mean, what I'm getting at is theres no obvious way of knowing altitude of both planes in the vid, one could be quite a bit above the other so there could be temperature and/or humidity variation which does cause contrails to appear and disappear, especially if the plane was making a turn at the time too which it was in the vid.

It could perhaps be turning a spray off and back on again on a new path but why bother? For that matter why would we even see the chemicals concerned as I mentioned before we have to assume its visible...whatever it is and we don't know that for sure either :(

Is it weird..yes, impossible to explain no so we're at square one again. I hate the topic, I know for certain there is some nefarious crap going on with it but so much speculation and its so hard to get any decent stuff on it.
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OK, this is what's made me mad as hell today..... 09 Oct 2013 23:04 #284

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Agreed, it is a difficult subject, fraught with pitfalls. It is one that needs discussion though, even if it ultimately merely leads to an answer, "no, it's just contrails" (which would actually be my preferred answer).

Any thoughts on t'other vid I posted? The 34k ft one?
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OK, this is what's made me mad as hell today..... 09 Oct 2013 23:33 #285

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knobmeup wrote:
Agreed, it is a difficult subject, fraught with pitfalls. It is one that needs discussion though, even if it ultimately merely leads to an answer, "no, it's just contrails" (which would actually be my preferred answer).

Any thoughts on t'other vid I posted? The 34k ft one?

Thats a better one provided the audio matches, I know that contrails can and do form at high altitudes (even 36000ft) but 'should' be much rarer. In fact you'll often more than not, see planes cruising at altitude with no contrail at all.
Did seem heavy for that altitude, couldn't see if it persisted though which would have helped.
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OK, this is what's made me mad as hell today..... 10 Oct 2013 00:07 #286

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Again, it is not provable that the video isn't faked in some way. But, taking it to be fo shizzle the video shows non commercial tankers that seem to be in and around the airspace of commercial flights with the pilot of the commercial flight having no prior knowledge of their presence. He requests advice over the radio. The trails are indeed very thick and do appear to be starting very very close to the engines, unlike classic contrails which form further back in the wake (though I concede this is not totally clear in the vid).
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