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Russel Brand pwns Paxman 12 Nov 2013 21:28 #381

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I thought I saw a comment by you on my analogies so I did another analogy to pacify you.

It's like watching a classic swerve but on mud!
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Russel Brand pwns Paxman 12 Nov 2013 21:29 #382

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Cousin_Frothy wrote:
I thought I saw a comment by you on my analogies so I did another analogy to pacify you.
Ohh
Don't concern yourself attempting to pacify me.
I rarely even bother to scan your stuff now.
It's long crossed the line from deja vu into Groundhog Day.
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Ok this is all you need to know, the UK is soon going to be a Marxist country, it's well known about the Miliband's Marxist views.

Here's another ' David Cameron launched his vision of a Big Society, with the Conservative party saying:


‘This plan is directly based on the successful community organising movement established by Saul Alinsky in the United States and has successfully trained generations of community organisers, including President Obama.’

A number of conservatives reacted with horror. After all, Saul Alinsky (above) is known as a Marxist, a lifelong cultural revolutionary and political subversive''
autonomousmind.wordpress.com/2010/04/11/...ith-obamas-marxists/

There's more and more Marxist propaganda emerging about Cameron, and of course Miliband.
The UK will likely end up being a Marxist dictatorship, so RB is right, we won't need to vote.
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Russel Brand pwns Paxman 12 Nov 2013 21:34 #384

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Ok dear, yes dear.
Now go tidy your room please little mister!
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Russel Brand pwns Paxman 12 Nov 2013 22:13 #385

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''Yet the Conservative Party blurts out this admission in the launch document of Big Society. There is a pedantic debate over whether Alinsky was technically a Marxist, or by-passed Marx as old-hat. What is beyond question is his project to overthrow capitalist society and to do so through infiltration of political parties, institutions and, above all, by the use of “community organisers”. Anybody who thought claims on this blog of Cultural Marxism influencing even the Tory Party were exaggerated can now think again. Alinsky was the first begetter of ACORN, the sinister organisation that tried to gerrymander the American electorate''

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/...ersive-saul-alinsky/

It's because China will soon be trading a lot more with the UK, I tell you it's a change coming and Brand is installing an apathy to vote...
the voting system is indeed broken, and RB is only encouraging the inevitable.
Marxist big society dictatorship.
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Russel Brand pwns Paxman 12 Nov 2013 22:17 #386

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The UK was always a dictatorship, they just gave you a choice of late... I don't see how it's Marxist btw anymore than the US
All the main parties work for the bankers and big money interests, it's a complete waste of time trying to define it in terms that no longer applied decades ago
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Cousin_Frothy wrote:
''Yet the Conservative Party blurts out this admission in the launch document of Big Society. There is a pedantic debate over whether Alinsky was technically a Marxist, or by-passed Marx as old-hat. What is beyond question is his project to overthrow capitalist society and to do so through infiltration of political parties, institutions and, above all, by the use of “community organisers”. Anybody who thought claims on this blog of Cultural Marxism influencing even the Tory Party were exaggerated can now think again. Alinsky was the first begetter of ACORN, the sinister organisation that tried to gerrymander the American electorate''

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/...ersive-saul-alinsky/

It's because China will soon be trading a lot more with the UK, I tell you it's a change coming and Brand is installing an apathy to vote...
the voting system is indeed broken, and RB is only encouraging the inevitable.
Marxist big society dictatorship.

Ok, given the airtime Brand was given what solutions for society would you offer?
:coffee:
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Russel Brand pwns Paxman 12 Nov 2013 22:46 #389

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oioioi wrote:
Cousin_Frothy wrote:
''Yet the Conservative Party blurts out this admission in the launch document of Big Society. There is a pedantic debate over whether Alinsky was technically a Marxist, or by-passed Marx as old-hat. What is beyond question is his project to overthrow capitalist society and to do so through infiltration of political parties, institutions and, above all, by the use of “community organisers”. Anybody who thought claims on this blog of Cultural Marxism influencing even the Tory Party were exaggerated can now think again. Alinsky was the first begetter of ACORN, the sinister organisation that tried to gerrymander the American electorate''

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/...ersive-saul-alinsky/
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It's because China will soon be trading a lot more with the UK, I tell you it's a change coming and Brand is installing an apathy to vote...
the voting system is indeed broken, and RB is only encouraging the inevitable.
Marxist big society dictatorship.

Ok, given the airtime Brand was given what solutions for society would you offer?
:coffee:

whoops ''Neither RB or I are in a position to offer any solutions, that's the illusion of television''
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andyh wrote:
The UK was always a dictatorship, they just gave you a choice of late... I don't see how it's Marxist btw anymore than the US
All the main parties work for the bankers and big money interests, it's a complete waste of time trying to define it in terms that no longer applied decades ago

The Conservative Party is the primary instrument of the Marxist EU in Britain.

The EU still has absolute control over the Conservative leadership today. Some make no real effort to disguise their allegiance to the EU, such as Hesletine, Ken Clarke, Maude and David Cameron. The Party is controlled by the EU’s policies and agenda, not that of the voters. This pattern now exists in the Labour Party under the communists exposed above, and in all areas of elected government. The principal of representative democracy has been subverted.

Conservative voters will be horrified when they find out, too late, that David Cameron is a committed Pro-European socialist. He uses the language of Common Purpose, and in his career as a Director of Carlton TV, its techniques.


One example is Cameron’s command to change. If you change you destroy the old; if you have nothing substantial to change to, you’ve simply destroyed, and the technique has succeeded. He may win an election, but it won’t be the Conservative Party that’s in power.

mightierthanvsword.blogspot.co.uk/2010/0...furt-school-and.html

www.rinf.tv/video/brian-gerrish-state-nation
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Russel Brand pwns Paxman 12 Nov 2013 22:51 #391

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oioioi wrote:
Cousin_Frothy wrote:
I thought I saw a comment by you on my analogies so I did another analogy to pacify you.

It's like watching a classic swerve but on mud!

Sounds like a Saturday night tv show.... Swerving on Mud
I like the sound of it.... we could have politicians on it where they drive round in 4x4s on a mud patch while Alex Jones shouts at them through a megaphone from a watchtower.
A panel of RB, Robbie Williams, and Charlie Sheen give scores on the level of swervage achieved.

Don't tell Cuz, telly is bad & bad stuff happens if you watch it.
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Russel Brand pwns Paxman 12 Nov 2013 23:03 #392

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Space Bandit wrote:
oioioi wrote:
Cousin_Frothy wrote:
I thought I saw a comment by you on my analogies so I did another analogy to pacify you.

It's like watching a classic swerve but on mud!

Sounds like a Saturday night tv show.... Swerving on Mud
I like the sound of it.... we could have politicians on it where they drive round in 4x4s on a mud patch while Alex Jones shouts at them through a megaphone from a watchtower.
A panel of RB, Robbie Williams, and Charlie Sheen give scores on the level of swervage achieved.

Don't tell Cuz, telly is bad & bad stuff happens if you watch it.

Low range alpha A brainwave inactivity of logical thinking.
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Russel Brand pwns Paxman 12 Nov 2013 23:07 #393

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Cousin_Frothy wrote:
Space Bandit wrote:
oioioi wrote:
Cousin_Frothy wrote:
I thought I saw a comment by you on my analogies so I did another analogy to pacify you.

It's like watching a classic swerve but on mud!

Sounds like a Saturday night tv show.... Swerving on Mud
I like the sound of it.... we could have politicians on it where they drive round in 4x4s on a mud patch while Alex Jones shouts at them through a megaphone from a watchtower.
A panel of RB, Robbie Williams, and Charlie Sheen give scores on the level of swervage achieved.

Don't tell Cuz, telly is bad & bad stuff happens if you watch it.

Low range alpha A brainwave inactivity of logical thinking.

That'll be all those pesky Marxists invading my mind.
:bla:
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Russel Brand pwns Paxman 12 Nov 2013 23:31 #394

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Space Bandit wrote:
Cousin_Frothy wrote:
Space Bandit wrote:
oioioi wrote:
Cousin_Frothy wrote:
I thought I saw a comment by you on my analogies so I did another analogy to pacify you.

It's like watching a classic swerve but on mud!

Sounds like a Saturday night tv show.... Swerving on Mud
I like the sound of it.... we could have politicians on it where they drive round in 4x4s on a mud patch while Alex Jones shouts at them through a megaphone from a watchtower.
A panel of RB, Robbie Williams, and Charlie Sheen give scores on the level of swervage achieved.

Don't tell Cuz, telly is bad & bad stuff happens if you watch it.

Low range alpha A brainwave inactivity of logical thinking.

That'll be all those pesky Marxists invading my mind.
:bla:

:AAAAHHHH: :AAAAHHHH: :AAAAHHHH: :AAAAHHHH:
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Russel Brand pwns Paxman 13 Nov 2013 00:04 #395

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Cousin_Frothy wrote:
oioioi wrote:

Ok, given the airtime Brand was given what solutions for society would you offer?
:coffee:

whoops ''Neither RB or I are in a position to offer any solutions, that's the illusion of television''

Ok, within the confines of this forum what solutions for society would you offer?
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Cousin_Frothy wrote:
''Yet the Conservative Party blurts out this admission in the launch document of Big Society. There is a pedantic debate over whether Alinsky was technically a Marxist, or by-passed Marx as old-hat. What is beyond question is his project to overthrow capitalist society and to do so through infiltration of political parties, institutions and, above all, by the use of “community organisers”. Anybody who thought claims on this blog of Cultural Marxism influencing even the Tory Party were exaggerated can now think again. Alinsky was the first begetter of ACORN, the sinister organisation that tried to gerrymander the American electorate''

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/...ersive-saul-alinsky/



It's because China will soon be trading a lot more with the UK, I tell you it's a change coming and Brand is installing an apathy to vote...
the voting system is indeed broken, and RB is only encouraging the inevitable.
Marxist big society dictatorship.

So after your whole "hanging with the elite and public spectacle and articles in New Statesmen" objection about Brand you offer this!

You offer up now an article by Gerald Warner form The Telegraph. Warner also writes for the Spectator (Atlantacist RW establishment paper) and had a forward of his book written by Thatcher herself!

I mean really! THIS bloke!

Geraldwarner


After your whole "hanging with the elite and public spectacle and articles in New Statesmen" objection about Brand you offer this!

:cruiselarf:

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Cousin_Frothy wrote:
andyh wrote:
The UK was always a dictatorship, they just gave you a choice of late... I don't see how it's Marxist btw anymore than the US
All the main parties work for the bankers and big money interests, it's a complete waste of time trying to define it in terms that no longer applied decades ago

The Conservative Party is the primary instrument of the Marxist EU in Britain.

The EU still has absolute control over the Conservative leadership today. Some make no real effort to disguise their allegiance to the EU, such as Hesletine, Ken Clarke, Maude and David Cameron. The Party is controlled by the EU’s policies and agenda, not that of the voters. This pattern now exists in the Labour Party under the communists exposed above, and in all areas of elected government. The principal of representative democracy has been subverted.

Conservative voters will be horrified when they find out, too late, that David Cameron is a committed Pro-European socialist. He uses the language of Common Purpose, and in his career as a Director of Carlton TV, its techniques.


One example is Cameron’s command to change. If you change you destroy the old; if you have nothing substantial to change to, you’ve simply destroyed, and the technique has succeeded. He may win an election, but it won’t be the Conservative Party that’s in power.

mightierthanvsword.blogspot.co.uk/2010/0...furt-school-and.html

www.rinf.tv/video/brian-gerrish-state-nation

Representative democracy has not changed at all, nothing has been subverted its been this same way for centuries :)

They were screwing the poor in 1800 just as they do now in 2013 and they still had the same representative democracy, you can call it communist or capitalist it makes no difference
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How can we hold this government to account?

Economic malaise and corruption is rife... can we do anything about it?

It is just one week ago that representatives of the major electricity providers appeared before a parliamentary select committee. Now delegates from three payday loan companies have answered questions from MPs amid extensive criticism of the behaviour and ethics of such enterprises as Wonga, who offer loans with annual percentage rates equivalent to several thousand percent.

Aside from their setting, these two events have two things in common. Firstly, they profoundly affect people of, at best, modest means, and in many cases those who are among the poorest and most vulnerable in our society. Secondly, one can safely assert that whatever transpires during this supposed examination of the business practices of the electricity and payday loans industries, nothing significant will change.

It would be nice to approach the matter with less cynicism, but anyone that has observed, as I have, thirty years of lies, corruption and broken promises at the heart of the political process will tend to err towards the pessimistic.

Heartless Thatcherism decimated the industrial base of Britain, and deregulated the city of London, creating the casino economy which still dominates today.

In the midst of 'Black Wednesday', John Major's feckless 'compassionate' Conservatives promptly blamed the entire country's malaise on single mothers, and ratified the Maastricht treaty, effectively creating the European superstate that continues to neuter Britain's sovereignty to this day.

'New' Labour was a disgusting desertion of its supposed values from day one, handing inordinate power to the Bank of England within literally hours of forming the government, presiding over the farce and national disgrace that was Iraq, and making any number of reprehensible economic decisions which left the UK in a dismal state by the time they left office.

Cameron's Bullingdon-based Tories have shown themselves to be nothing more than pigs at the trough of public money, backtracking on their commitment to offer a referendum on the EU, instigating odious social engineering projects such as the Work Programme and Bedroom Tax, while not even remotely reducing Britain's national debt. In fact, it has increased significantly to over £1.2 trillion while Cameron has merrily gambolled along closing libraries right, left and centre, and extensively privatising everything that wasn't nailed down.

And the 'alternative' party, the Liberal Democrats; what have they done about it, what have they contributed of value? I would suggest that you could write the answer to those questions on the back of a postage stamp and still have space for the theory of relativity.

It's not hugely surprising then that people become disillusioned with politics. When recently given the opportunity to edit the New Statesman magazine, Russell Brand composed an impassioned polemic in which he decried the existing system, and stated that voting is completely pointless. Naturally, he was attacked from every conceivable angle for having the temerity to offer this critique.

Yet what Brand was saying was self-evident to anyone in possession of a working memory and half a brain cell. What he perhaps failed to do, while conceding that he was not the person to undertake such a gargantuan task, was suggest a viable alternative.

Well, there is one available. For over 150 years Switzerland has operated as a direct democracy. What this means in practical terms is that any decision, any law, any legislation passed by parliament can be directly challenged by the Swiss people via referenda. Alternatively, the populace can also suggest new initiatives, and if they receive popular support and are in accordance with the Swiss constitution, they automatically become law.

This is not a fringe or obscure idea; it was discussed by the Daily Telegraph just a few years ago. Such a populist political system recently lead to the people demanding stringent controls on executive bonuses. Can anyone imagine that happening in Britain? Stop sniggering at the back.

And one might note that, of course, Switzerland steadfastly refused to enter the absurd political-class social experiment which is the EU. There was no prospect of the government denying the people a referendum as in Britain; it is absolutely enshrined in the culture of the nation.

Is Switzerland a paradise, a utopia as the result of being a direct democracy? No, of course not. Such a state of existence will take a huge, concerted effort from people all over the world, over a significant period of time. But what does occur in Switzerland is that people have a direct say in the issues that affect their lives, a genuine public platform.

With it becoming increasingly evident almost by the day that this simply isn't the case in Britain, we have surely reached the point where the people need to demand a new political system. It must be absolutely self-evident by now that the current one is elitist, unrepresentative, and offers nothing in terms of a social contract with the electorate. There is even a political organisation pushing for direct democracy in Britain, the People's Administration Direct Democracy Party.

What I would like to see in the future is the downtrodden and disregarded given a genuine voice and stake in the society in which we all reside. This is not going to be handed to us on a plate by a bunch of wealthy Old Etonians with a profound self-interest in protecting the status quo. It will only happen when we stop cooperating with the existing political stitch-up and demand a viable alternative.
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In the work that’s essentially the gold standard in the field, it’s concluded that for roughly 70% of the population – the lower 70% on the wealth/income scale – they have no influence on policy whatsoever. They’re effectively disenfranchised. As you move up the wealth/income ladder, you get a little bit more influence on policy. When you get to the top, which is maybe a tenth of one percent, people essentially get what they want, i.e. they determine the policy. So the proper term for that is not democracy; it’s plutocracy

www.chomsky.info/talks/20130617.htm
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Veiled insult (passive aggressive 101) :arrowup:

*makes careful notes, lest he himself should one day be accused of being such* ;)

Could CF please clarify that comment, either to Gilly directly or to a mod? Otherwise, I think that certainly constitutes a breach of them, there 'guidelines'.

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