As in you still use money don't you?
Still have a passport and driving license, NHS number etc etc.

SilvaRizla wrote: I asked you to post an example of this DEW stuff having the capability to destroy a building, you didn't and can't do so, so I had a look at what the US MIlitary are using and developing in 2014, none of it has the capability to destroy a building let alone the 3 WTC buildings, so how could the non-existent, "theoretical" DEW's Islamic jihadis were supposed to have in 2001 have done so?

Whether this technology exists in some form is irrelevant, you're saying that Islamist militants had access to more advanced weaponry in 2001 than the USA has in 2014, the only evidence you have is theoretical speculation from Judy Wood.

Are you for real?

If enemy governments are using DEW and holograms to vaporize things don't you think the intelligence agencies and military police of the world will be investigating it?

Why would people waste their time speculating about whether 9/11 was done by magical scientists with magic weapons and holograms?

For a start you will never know one way or another, all you can do is speculate.

The only people who had and analysed the actual evidence posted their results in the 9/11 commission, the people who were the victims of this attack, they found clear evidence from multiple sources that the official story is true.

I believe they were the best placed people to know and had the best intentions for seeking to find out the truth.

andyh wrote:
So we're all pro-system then?



It takes stuff like 9/11 for people to realise why there is so much wrong with the money system.
Without stuff like that happening it's less likely that people are gonna decide to shun it or find alternatives, as there would be less things happening to make them see that, or for them to seek out further information.

No mention of all the relatives that thought the 9/11 commission was totally fudged? No mention that so much of the evidence was removed from the crime scene?

andyh wrote:
So we're all pro-system then?



It takes stuff like 9/11 for people to realise why there is so much wrong with the money system.
Without stuff like that happening it's less likely that people are gonna decide to shun it or find alternatives, as there would be less things happening to make them see that, or for them to seek out further information.

Moneyless Man did it though!

It's still an interesting topic.... & we can't just sit around discussing the money system <or lack of it> all the time.
Though I agree it's pretty futile.... we won't be solving 9/11 here & now. There's too much specialised knowledge required & most of it relies on 2nd hand info much of which seems to have one agenda or another behind it.

Space Bandit wrote: What a strange thing to say, how does 9/11 and Islamic terrorism have anything to do with the money system?

Looks to me like birdies cause more damage to aeroplane nose cones than WTC's which are built from construction steel and reinforced concrete.

Looks to me like birdies cause more damage to aeroplane nose cones than WTC's which are built from construction steel and reinforced concrete.

simulacra wrote:
I don't think many people using this forum (myself included) believe that Islamist militants were responsible for the WTC destruction of 9/11.

Blue_Tackler wrote:
Why do you insist on this outdated long debunked belief system, all the evidence clearly points to the fact that 9/11 was a terrorist attack by Islamist militants.

What a strange thing to say, how does 9/11 and Islamic terrorism have anything to do with the money system?

I'd imagine all the evidence would have had to be removed from the crime scene to be analysed in a laboratory.

Steel was the structural material of the buildings. As such it was the most important evidence to preserve in order to puzzle out how the structures held up to the impacts and fires, but then disintegrated into rubble. Since the collapse of steel-framed skyscrapers due to fires is completely unprecedented, the steel should have been subjected to detailed analysis. So what did the authorities do with this key evidence of the vast crime and unprecedented engineering failure? They recycled it!
Some 185,101 tons of structural steel have been hauled away from Ground Zero. Most of the steel has been recycled as per the city's decision to swiftly send the wreckage to salvage yards in New Jersey. The city's hasty move has outraged many victims' families who believe the steel should have been examined more thoroughly. Last month, fire experts told Congress that about 80% of the steel was scrapped without being examined because investigators did not have the authority to preserve the wreckage. 1

The bulk of the steel was apparently shipped to China and India. The Chinese firm Baosteel purchased 50,000 tons at a rate of $120 per ton, compared to an average price of $160 paid by local mills in the previous year. 2

simulacra wrote:
We went there for oil.

simulacra wrote:
9/11 had fuck all to do with Islamic terrorism <apart from the patsys> & everything to do with profit margins.

You would imagine that wouldn't you?
So why didn't that happen?

911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html

andyh wrote: I assume you mean Iraq being that Afghanistan was kept in abject degradation by Islamist mentality and feudal warlords and lacks the economy to produce oil.
Corruption was far too high in Iraq for it to become prosperous by Western trade. Now it can be.

The West should be proud of removing Saddam, he was an absolute monster, Bashar Al Assad has shown equal anti-human proclivities it's a shame that UK and America didn't bomb him and his family into the dust.

andyh wrote: I assume you mean Iraq being that Afghanistan was kept in abject degradation by Islamist mentality and feudal warlords and lacks the economy to produce oil.
Corruption was far too high in Iraq for it to become prosperous by Western trade. Now it can be.

The West should be proud of removing Saddam, he was an absolute monster, Bashar Al Assad has shown equal anti-human proclivities it's a shame that UK and America didn't bomb him and his family into the dust.

however you can get a good idea from watching silent witness.

9/11 had fuck all to do with Islamic terrorism <apart from the patsys> & everything to do with profit margins.

Pilots for 9/11 truth published the following article claiming that it is impossible for a 767 to achieve the claimed speeds of the WTC attacks, based on the data obtained from the investigation into the Egypt Air 767 Flt 990 crash in November 1999.

The article appears here: pilotsfor911truth.org/wtc_speed

The NTSB report into the crash can be downloaded here: www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2002/aab0201.pdf

The claim from Pilots for 9/11 truth is that the Egypt Air 767 broke up at 22,000 feet whilst descending at Mach 0.99, an EAS (Equivalent Air Speed) significantly less than the EAS postulated for, particularly UA FL175 as it approached the South Tower.

The NTSB report however does not state that the aircraft broke up at 22,000 feet. As the aircraft was descending both engines were shut down by the Relief First Officer, the person suspected of deliberately crashing the 767 (disputed by the Egyptians but not germane to the discussion), and the aircraft was still intact as it went through 17000 feet when both the FDR and CVR lost power due to the engine shutdown. Radar returns then have the aircraft climbing to 25,000 feet where it began another descent, apparently intact till it crashed into the ocean.

At no point in the NTSB report is it suggested that the aircraft broke up in flight.

Furthermore, the so called analysis of the loads on the aircraft neglects to mention that analysis of the FDR has the aircraft at just below 17000 feet, at 485 knots and crucially, experiencing 2.5 G as the Captain fought to regain control.

Furthermore, the aircrafts dual elevators were at opposite ends of their travel as the Captain pulled the control wheel back, and the First Officer was pushing it forward, introducing a large torsion moment on the tail assembly.

Furthermore, from the FDR the maximum Mach of 0.99 was actually experienced at 29500 feet, not 22,000 feet giving an EAS of 361 knots, 1 knot over VMO.
Two facts emerge from this.

1. This 767 airframe underwent a EAS of 462 knots whilst pulling 2.5G and with both elevators at opposite ends of their travel and survived. To say it could survive that and not survive the 1G flight at the speeds of the WTC attacks is not credible.

2. Pilots for 911/truth either did not read the report; couldn't interpret it correctly; or deliberately concocted the breakup/M.99 at 22,000 feet story, to further their own agenda. Take your pick.

Blue_Tackler wrote:
This is why SilvaRizla did a runner, he guessed it was coming because of the theme of my posts, here we see that the kinetic energy that would have been reduced by the 'aeroplane' hitting the tower, seems to have not reduced as the 'aeroplane's' nose cone then travels through another layer of reinforced concrete and construction steel, and appears to be pretty much intact, surely not even David Copperfield could do that could he?

Please put explanations back into your processing unit for reconsideration.

simulacra wrote:
Er, hang on, what did Iraq have to do with 9/11?
Regardless of whether Saddam was a monster or not is no excuse to kill around 1 million people thanks to the protracted war.
& iirc Afghanistan was very useful for certain gas pipes, and absolutely shitloads of opium which is now in greater production in Afghanistan thanks to the 'help' of the allies.
Everything looks nice & rosy on the outside in those specs eh?