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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 10 Feb 2014 15:14 #221

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From the Pilotsfortruth website

Does anyone know how fast a Boeing 767 can fly at low altitude? The top speed at cruising altitude is over 500 mph, but I've heard the following about flight at 700 feet altitude:

The power plant will max out at 330 mph.

The plane will begin to shake itself apart at over 220 mph.

At 700 feet altitude, the air is so thick that if you go too fast you max the rotation of the turbines, the engines can't suck in air, and the engine starts acting as a brake.

Does this make sense?

Where could I get more detailed information about flight limitations (or whatever you call it) of the Boeing 767?

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I am not sure how to use this thing, so sorry if this is wrong.

I am working on a similar project, video to come, and so far I made this page.
Top speed for a 767 is 898 kph/558 mph and that is at an altitude of about 30,000 feet, source: www.zap16.com/civ%20fact/civ%20Boeing%20767-200.htm at 30,000 feet the atmosphere is 1/3 the thickness of atmosphere at 700 feet. This would cause approximately 3 times as much drag so the top speed would be about 1/3 of the top speed at 30,000 feet, or about 200 to 300 mph at best, and that is with no wind.

In a youtube video 175 travels 720 feet in 1.06 seconds = 720 Feet per Second = 490.90 Miles per Hour
www.v911t.org/175Velocity.php and therefore that plane is likely not a 767. It may not be a real plane at all.

pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=8764
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 10 Feb 2014 15:33 #222

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Andyh Do you think a plane hit the pentagon ?

If not what happened to the passenger list?

I thought you had posted that a passenger list was some type of evidence that proved something or another?

If you don't want to post the topic don't post it.

Its the sheer futility of it all BT.
I've seen this ongoing babble for donkeys years now, it hasn't achieved anything.

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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 10 Feb 2014 15:39 #223

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I agree with everything you've said except for it being laughable. BT is learning much ;)

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That comment belongs on DIF.

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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 10 Feb 2014 15:40 #224

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Please watch this.


I was researching to do the calculations needed, and I came across this which has done it for me. Excellent.

911blogger.com/node/20232

The plane can indeed travel that fast. That blog article also speaks of how I believe they were flown. Autopilot program via GPS.

The plane weight about 300,000lbs, was travelling at over 500mph, and is aerodynamically shapped. Of course its going to continue flying through the building. You can't tell me that a building designed to sway in the wind would stop it.

One more point, they were comparing the plane crashing with vehicles not so aerodynamic nor weighty, and not travelling at 500+mph. What they were crashing into, was neither absorbatitve by nature.

Did you not see Dr Wood on that YouTube clip?

Yes. In this instance, she is wrong.
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 10 Feb 2014 15:40 #225

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500mph <<<< can't go at that speed at that altitude .

Are you not listening? Did you even look at the link?
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 10 Feb 2014 15:43 #226

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I still think it's important to try to get to the bottom of, especially if holograms & DEWs are being used.... it kinda raises the bar against us & things we should look out for in future. Plus, if the truth ever did come out that's gonna be a lot of people turning against the system.
It's not as good as completely changing the system, but that'll never happen unless people see how rotten it is anyway.
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 10 Feb 2014 15:48 #227

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I still think it's important to try to get to the bottom of, especially if holograms & DEWs are being used.... it kinda raises the bar against us & things we should look out for in future. Plus, if the truth ever did come out that's gonna be a lot of people turning against the system.
It's not as good as completely changing the system, but that'll never happen unless people see how rotten it is anyway.

Truth is something deliberately withheld from the public so that government can function. So you're not going to get far with it :)
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 10 Feb 2014 15:50 #228

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For the purpose of this speed analysis I have assumed that the UA175 aircraft was travelling at a height of approximately 1000 feet at the time of impact and that the air temperature was approximately 20 degrees Celsius at that altitude. Under these environmental conditions the speed of sound (Mach 1.0) would occur approximately at 767 mph or 666 knots. Here is a list of UA175 speeds issued from official bodies that were presumably calculated using video footage of the WTC2 strike:




Massachusetts Institute of Technology - 503 mph / 436 knots / M0.653

British Royal Air Force - 575 mph / 500 knots / M0.750

Federal Aviation Administration - 586 mph / 510 knots / M0.765

National Institute of Standards and Technology - 546 mph / 475 knots / M0.714

Federal Emergency Management Agency - 590 mph / 514 knots / M0.771




As you can see there is a difference in speeds from one UA175 video to another, which does not make sense because the UA175 aircraft could have only been travelling at one speed prior to its collision with WTC2.

Not entirely happy with these official speed figures from MIT, RAF, FAA, NIST and FEMA I decided to calculate the approximate speed of the UA175 aircraft myself using 3 different video sources in an attempt to clear up the speed inconsistencies demonstrated by the official calculations and hopefully to identify one universal speed.

To calculate the approximate speed of the UA175 aircraft from any given video I simply cloned together two images of the UA175 aircraft at a known time interval from the same video footage and then measured the distance travelled between the two UA175 aircraft clones using the WTC2 towers east wall as a horizontal reference for measuring distances. With the time frame known and the distance travelled calculated it is possible to obtain a reasonably accurate speed for the UA175 aircraft for each different video.


All media used for my calculations came directly from good quality NTSC DVD sources. The results were as follows:

Park Foreman Video - 540 mph / 470 knots / M0.705

Evan Fairbanks Video - 565 mph / 490 knots / M0.735

"Unknown Video" - 492 mph / 428 knots / M0.642

As with the official calculations there is quite a variation in speeds obtained from one video source to another according to my analysis, but we can comfortably group together the RAF, FEMA, FAA, Park Foreman Video and the Evan Fairbanks video figures to produce a speed range between 560 mph and 590 mph.

The variation in speed from the differing video sources could easily be due to small errors in the calculations by each respective party and as the calculated speeds in this group are quite close, this could be one possible explanation.

However, the calculation performed by Eduardo Kausel (below) at MIT and my own calculation using the Unknown Video are well outside this 560 mph to 590 mph speed bracket, yet Kausel claims to have used various publicly available video recordings and states that the velocities for the two WTC planes were in excellent agreement with the flight data based on RADAR information provided by the NTSC.

Foreman Speed 540 Mph Zpsfaf16cd8


How can MIT's Eduardo Kausel be producing a UA175 speed that are at such odds with FEMA, RAF, FAA, NIST and my own set of calculations?

Moreover Eduardo Kausel draws our attention to another important point...


"...the above data indicates that the terrorists flew towards the WTC close to the ground at nearly the full cruising speed of the planes, which is about 900 km/h (560 mph) at a normal altitude of 10km (33,000 feet). It is surprising that the inexperienced pilots that the terrorist were could still steer the planes at those speeds and hit their target head on. Also, considering that the air at low altitudes is much denser than that at normal cruising height, the pilots greatly exceeded Vne ("Velocity Never Exceed") and thereby risked disintegration of the aircraft by air friction."


I spoke to a former Boeing 767-200 Captain about the aerodynamic limitations of the Boeing 767-200 aircraft and he stated that it would be unwise to exceed an indicated airspeed of 400 knots (460 mph at sea level) at any altitude.

As mentioned before, the airspeed of 400 knots at sea level is well outside the maximum operating speed of the Boeing 767-200 and therefore the pilots would run the risk of either total structural failure or localised structural failures, namely wing fairings breaking off, engine cowlings breaking off, control surfaces breaking off or becoming inoperative and handling difficulties. None of these structural failures and handling issues would be of any benefit to the crew, so why did the alleged hijackers chose to operate their usurped aircraft at such a dangerously high airspeed such that it could have prematurely terminated their mission through complete structural failure, or made it unnecessarily difficult or even impossible to execute through partial structural failure and aircraft handling difficulties?

The high speed approach to the WTC2 target as seen in the visual records of the event would have created a vast flight deck work load at a critical point in the mission, while making navigation to the WTC complex unnecessarily difficult for the hijackers who were not renowned for their skills and experience operating large passenger aircraft like the Boeing 767-200! When you consider the fact that the Boeing 767-200's airframe would have smashed to pieces on the towers façade during impact under any speed condition you have to wonder what the alleged hijackers had to gain by choosing this high speed approach and high speed collision.

I was also informed by the former Boeing 767-200 Captain that there would NOT be any adverse effects on aircraft handling or performance as a result of nearing or achieving transonic airspeeds.

The only conclusion that can be drawn from this UA175 airspeed analysis is that the video recordings are all giving us different speeds because the UA175 aircraft was actually travelling at a different speed in each video!

The fact that all the videos apparently show a structurally intact Boeing 767-200 in controlled flight prior to its collision with WTC2 travelling at such a ridiculously high airspeed is another indicator that whatever the UA175 aircraft was, it was not a production model Boeing 767-200, or it was simply something that has been added to the video recording in post production either to conceal what the video recording originally showed, or to add something to the recording that should have been there, but was in fact absent from the original recording.

We should consider the possibility that there is more than one person or group responsible for the forgery and / or manipulation of any given UA175 strike video and that there is seemingly a lack of accordance between these groups or individuals which could account for the speed inconsistencies demonstrated by the videographic record.

www.911research.dsl.pipex.com/ggua175/speed/
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 10 Feb 2014 15:51 #229

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500mph <<<< can't go at that speed at that altitude .

Are you basing that on Pilots for 9/11 truth and their calculations of Egypt Air flight 990?
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500mph <<<< can't go at that speed at that altitude .

Are you not listening? Did you even look at the link?

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andyh wrote:
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Andyh Do you think a plane hit the pentagon ?

If not what happened to the passenger list?

I thought you had posted that a passenger list was some type of evidence that proved something or another?

If you don't want to post the topic don't post it.

Its the sheer futility of it all BT.
I've seen this ongoing babble for donkeys years now, it hasn't achieved anything.

Why not opt out then?
I can't understand why you contribute and complain?

What I can't understand is why you do what you do.
Is it some kind of mental thing?

But I'm not posting on a subject and then stating that it's pointless to post on the subject, can't you see your madness?
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 10 Feb 2014 15:55 #232

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I still think it's important to try to get to the bottom of, especially if holograms & DEWs are being used.... it kinda raises the bar against us & things we should look out for in future. Plus, if the truth ever did come out that's gonna be a lot of people turning against the system.
It's not as good as completely changing the system, but that'll never happen unless people see how rotten it is anyway.

Truth is something deliberately withheld from the public so that government can function. So you're not going to get far with it :)

& that is exactly why the internet is so powerful for the people.
I'd say there is a fair proportion of people that have turned against the system because of the free spread of info.
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 10 Feb 2014 16:00 #233

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500mph <<<< can't go at that speed at that altitude .

Are you not listening? Did you even look at the link?

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I'll take that as a no then.

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500mph <<<< can't go at that speed at that altitude .

Are you basing that on Pilots for 9/11 truth and their calculations of Egypt Air flight 990?

Pilots for 9/11 truth amongst other sources. :)
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500mph <<<< can't go at that speed at that altitude .

Are you basing that on Pilots for 9/11 truth and their calculations of Egypt Air flight 990?

Pilots for 9/11 truth amongst other sources. :)

You missed the point.
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 10 Feb 2014 16:18 #237

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Blue_Tackler wrote:
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Blue_Tackler wrote:
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Andyh Do you think a plane hit the pentagon ?

If not what happened to the passenger list?

I thought you had posted that a passenger list was some type of evidence that proved something or another?

If you don't want to post the topic don't post it.

Its the sheer futility of it all BT.
I've seen this ongoing babble for donkeys years now, it hasn't achieved anything.

Why not opt out then?
I can't understand why you contribute and complain?

What I can't understand is why you do what you do.
Is it some kind of mental thing?

But I'm not posting on a subject and then stating that it's pointless to post on the subject, can't you see your madness?

Durhhh.
Its a topic that will carry on forever with no conclusion, a bit like JFK.
In his respect conspiracy theorists fully deserve everything thats said about them.

And SB, no-one has turned against the system :)
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 10 Feb 2014 16:21 #238

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andyh wrote:
Blue_Tackler wrote:
andyh wrote:
Blue_Tackler wrote:
andyh wrote:
Blue_Tackler wrote:
Andyh Do you think a plane hit the pentagon ?

If not what happened to the passenger list?

I thought you had posted that a passenger list was some type of evidence that proved something or another?

If you don't want to post the topic don't post it.

Its the sheer futility of it all BT.
I've seen this ongoing babble for donkeys years now, it hasn't achieved anything.

Why not opt out then?
I can't understand why you contribute and complain?

What I can't understand is why you do what you do.
Is it some kind of mental thing?

But I'm not posting on a subject and then stating that it's pointless to post on the subject, can't you see your madness?

Durhhh.
Its a topic that will carry on forever with no conclusion, a bit like JFK.
In his respect conspiracy theorists fully deserve everything thats said about them.

And SB, no-one has turned against the system :)

That's a completely false statement. I've turned against the system for one (as I'm sure have many here). I did this on the back of 9/11. 9/11 was what made me question the world and motives of its leaders.
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 10 Feb 2014 16:27 #239

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As in you still use money don't you?
Still have a passport and driving license, NHS number etc etc.
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As in you still use money don't you?
Still have a passport and driving license, NHS number etc etc.

I have the bare minimum needed to survive. To suggest that I must lose these to turn against the system is ludicrous.
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