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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 10 Feb 2014 13:00 #201

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Isaac Newton’s Third Law of Motion: “For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.”

Nope.

Though you can see the nose cone spark against the steel beam in that gif.

The kinetic energy of the plane moving in that direction would have it continue doing so regardless. Its aerodynamic ffs. The building wouldn't stop it. If it hit belly on then maybe. Think about it. Dr Wood's book even has pictures of wooden debris passing through trees in a hurricane.

The exploding fuel is a movie myth. I can't find the video I want to show you but I know its on youtube if you want to look for it. Mythbusters shooting a fuel tank with a rifle. They also did it with a propane tank, didn't explode either.

The tanks would first have to rupture and then come into contact with some sort of spark. It did this inside the building in correlation with the split second it would take for those two events to occur.

Just what is your stance on 9/11?
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andyh wrote:
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IMHO they let it happen on purpose. There is ofc evidence for that, seeing as the planes flew around unchallenged for that long off path.
As for no planes, that would be great only there are actual dead people who were on those planes incl the ex israeli sas guy who was a co-owner of akamia technologies.

They could have died in the plane that hit the deck in a rural area.

We don't know do we?

Umm yes they do actually, they were on the passenger list for each flight?

On September 10th N591UA and N594UA were reported at 2 places at one time.

On September 10th 2001, Flight 0078 (N591UA) arrived in Newarkfrom SFO (San Fransisco) at 6:54wheel on time.
However, Flight 0507, with the same tail number, 591UAdeparted Boston Loganfor ORD (Chicago) at 7:39wheel off time.

Also, Boston does not have records of N591UA arriving at Logan that day
and Newark only has it departing once at 19:40 PM EST.
There seems to be a problem here.
It had 45 mins from touchdown in San Francisco before it left from Chicago.

So backtracking N594UA, i come up with a similar scenario.
Sept 10th 594 departed ORD at 7:30 to DTW as 0440 594 departed Detroit at 11:12 to ORD as 1581
594 arrived in chicago from DTW at 10:58 as 1581
594 Departed ORD at 12:00 to IAD as 0424 594 arrived in IAD from ORD at 14:13 as flight 0424
594 departed IAD at 15:56 to DEN as flight 1179 594 arrived in DEN from IAD at 17:07 as flight 1179
594 departed DEN to SEA as 1197 at 18:10 594 arrived in SEA from DEN as 1197 at 19:25
no departs from seattle on the 10th
no departs for seattle on the 11th (most tails unknwn)
Important point being that it left DTW at 11:12 and arrived ORD at 10:58
594 departed Detroit at 11:12 to ORD as 1581
594 arrived in chicago from DTW at 10:58 as 1581

911review.org/brad.com/flights_air.html

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My stance is that there is evidence to support holographic projections of aircraft as well as their is evidence to support DEW being used.

If we're going to support one unknown form of data why not support another?
This is where my bottom line would be if it existed.
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Blue_Tackler wrote:
andyh wrote:
Blue_Tackler wrote:
andyh wrote:
IMHO they let it happen on purpose. There is ofc evidence for that, seeing as the planes flew around unchallenged for that long off path.
As for no planes, that would be great only there are actual dead people who were on those planes incl the ex israeli sas guy who was a co-owner of akamia technologies.

They could have died in the plane that hit the deck in a rural area.

We don't know do we?

Umm yes they do actually, they were on the passenger list for each flight?

On September 10th N591UA and N594UA were reported at 2 places at one time.

On September 10th 2001, Flight 0078 (N591UA) arrived in Newarkfrom SFO (San Fransisco) at 6:54wheel on time.
However, Flight 0507, with the same tail number, 591UAdeparted Boston Loganfor ORD (Chicago) at 7:39wheel off time.

Also, Boston does not have records of N591UA arriving at Logan that day
and Newark only has it departing once at 19:40 PM EST.
There seems to be a problem here.
It had 45 mins from touchdown in San Francisco before it left from Chicago.

So backtracking N594UA, i come up with a similar scenario.
Sept 10th 594 departed ORD at 7:30 to DTW as 0440 594 departed Detroit at 11:12 to ORD as 1581
594 arrived in chicago from DTW at 10:58 as 1581
594 Departed ORD at 12:00 to IAD as 0424 594 arrived in IAD from ORD at 14:13 as flight 0424
594 departed IAD at 15:56 to DEN as flight 1179 594 arrived in DEN from IAD at 17:07 as flight 1179
594 departed DEN to SEA as 1197 at 18:10 594 arrived in SEA from DEN as 1197 at 19:25
no departs from seattle on the 10th
no departs for seattle on the 11th (most tails unknwn)
Important point being that it left DTW at 11:12 and arrived ORD at 10:58
594 departed Detroit at 11:12 to ORD as 1581
594 arrived in chicago from DTW at 10:58 as 1581

911review.org/brad.com/flights_air.html

I guess you knew that was coming andyh :)

What the hell does that have to do with the passenger list for each of the hijacked planes?
I mean...did people get on the plane a day before ffs lol?

So I suppose there's hundreds of people they machine gunned in the desert in a mass grave somewhere just so they could fly empty planes into buildings, or rather no planes at all?

Soz, doesn't make sense.
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My stance is that there is evidence to support holographic projections of aircraft as well as their is evidence to support DEW being used.

If we're going to support one unknown form of data why not support another?

Because one has evidence and one does not ;)
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Playing the 9/11 Unity Card →


A No Planer Resigns From S.P.I.N.E.

Posted on August 1, 2006 by Morgan Reynolds


A No Planer Resigns from S.P.I.N.E.
Morgan Reynolds — August 1, 2006

Joseph Keith is a retired 76-year-old software engineer who worked in the aerospace industry and just resigned from a professional group known as the Scientific Panel Investigating Nine Eleven (SPINE) founded by Canadian scientist, A.K. (“Kee”) Dewdney. The website is www.physics911.net. Curious about why he resigned (I’m still a SPINE member), I interviewed him from his home in southern California.
Q: Why did you resign from SPINE?
A: Well, I was a founding member in 2002 but I have little patience. With all the arguments I have gone through with Kee, I’ve spent so much time with Kee, it’s led nowhere. A plane never hit the second trade center tower, WTC 2, that’s what started our disagreement about 4 years ago.
Leonard Spencer first came out with what I thought was a smoking gun, the pod. I thought that pod must be a smoke screen device to hide the fact that a real airliner flew by but did not hit the building. And then editors doctored the tape after the fact.
Later on I decided the pod was a distraction since I determined that the video was fake. Case closed.
Q: Why is the video phony?
A: The video is phony because airliners don’t meld into steel and concrete buildings, they crash against them!
Q: Why would the establishment elite pull off a phony video?
A: The video had to be phony because the Illuminati, or whatever we want to call them, had to eliminate all possibilities of a foul up. They needed the hijacking scam to implicate the Muslims, but they couldn’t afford any risk. They had to Keep-It-Simple-Stupid so they faked the crashes.
Since we know that the rich will always hang together, have their children intermarry, and do anything to protect their wealth, they must have an organization, an interlocking directorate, if you will, that is compartmentalized. I could have done a better job, but they faked the video in an amateurish way. A friend of mine could have done a much better job of faking an airplane crash—break a wing off, break a part of the body, throw some fluff in and then I wouldn’t have noticed anything wrong.
Q: When did you realize something was amiss about 9/11?
A: I watched 9/11 on TV that day and my next-door neighbor is a pilot for SkyWest Airlines. We were good friends and when 9/11 happened I called up right away and said, “Turn on the TV.” He came over to my house. I said, “It’s fake.” “Yes, it’s fake,” he said. Later, we decided that the networks did not get the real-time feed of the crash and simulated it instead. In about a week we were convinced by neighbors that the networks were displaying the real thing. His wife is an American Airlines flight attendant and she’s very outspoken. Every 9/11 anniversary they put out a big display about praying for 9/11 flight attendants and all that. She thinks I’m a stupid conspiracy nut. Kee used to ask David, through me, airline questions, but now David is not allowed to talk to me. I don’t know if Kee is personally contacting him now.
Q: You knew right away it was an inside job because the WTC hit was faked?
A: I have spent lots of time trying to figure out how the New World Order could screw up so badly, and the only conclusion I can come to is that there must be some high-ranking insider, or possibly group, that is trying to warn the world of the danger of allowing such a powerful force to rule. In another era, the most powerful force in the World was the Holy Roman Empire and it was brought down by an insider who exposed the document that gave it its power as a fraud. I can’t go into the details now but it later led to the Reformation. I wrote a paper on it 50 years ago.
Q: You say anyone can prove the video is fake. How?
A: First get any video. They’re getting harder to find. A good example is “In Memoriam, New York City 9/11/01” from HBO, narrated by Rudy Giuliani, because the plane crashes at the beginning. Start the DVD and as the plane comes into view, hit the pause on your remote and then go frame-by-frame until the plane goes into the building, step by step.
Carefully watch the plane go into the building: it’s like a hot knife cutting through butter. Marvel at how a plane can meld into a steel-concrete building. A plane should crash against the building. It makes one curious! It should make you think about how a plane would enter a steel-concrete building.
Q: One argument we hear is that all the videos can’t be fake.
A: Well, get all 30 of ‘em and run ‘em, I have four. One of mine doesn’t show the actual crash, two of them show a plane banking, one doesn’t.
Every video that shows impact shows a plane flying through the tower wall the same way it flies through thin air: no cratering effect, no pushing parts of the building in, no crunching of the airframe as it hits resistance, no reaction from the heavy engines and hidden landing gear, no parts breaking off, no outer 30 feet of the wing breaking off, no bursting, shredding or bending of the wing. No nothing.
Q: Isn’t that impossible in reality?
A: Yes. Then after absorption of the plane, you see the building closing up and then an explosion. Meanwhile, nothing fell from either the building or the plane.
Q: That’s compelling evidence of video fakery. What else?
A: One more test is to pause with the plane on the screen. Take a magic marker or tape and mark the nose of the plane and then count frames until the tail passes the mark. You’ll find that the number of steps the plane takes while the plane is in thin air is the same as the number of steps the plane takes as it melds into the building.
Q: So there’s no deceleration?
A: Right. It violates all Newton’s laws of motion. I’ll state them:
1. An object at rest remains at rest and an object in motion remains in motion until a force is applied.
2. When a force is applied to an object, the object accelerates in the direction of the force. When an object in motion hits stationary resistance, the force acts in the opposite direction of the object and therefore the object decelerates.
3. Newton said, “For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction” but I say, every action produces an equal and opposite reaction.
Q: So, for example, a diver speeds through thin air but slows in the resistance of the water unless he has a new energy source to maintain speed.
A: Right. It’s like this TV show I was watching called Myth Busters. They dumped this dummy from 100 feet and it registered 16 G’s when it hit water. That can kill you, we can only take about 10 G’s. Then think about hitting steel and concrete.
Q: Believers in Boeing 767s hitting the twin towers always bring up kinetic energy as the big explanation for how an aluminum plane could fly right through the wall of a steel and concrete tower. Speed squared is supposed make us believe the plane-like outline of the holes in the towers.
A: The more kinetic energy, the more damage the speeding object will do when it hits, but they’re claiming that it punched right through. The plane should have continued right through the building like a bullet through paper. Sure, in the bullet case, little kinetic energy is lost. No plane deceleration also means the plane never lost kinetic energy. Victor Thorn and the others, even though they’re good on demolition and no plane at the Pentagon, are afraid to come out for the No Plane Theory (NPT).
When Jerry Longspaugh, an aerospace engineer and SPINE member, saw a photo of a hole in one of the towers and thought he saw the core, he wrote to Kee and me, “It looks like the NPT is true.” Maybe Kee said something to him, I don’t know.
Kee’s got to be a phony. He’s been saying how sorry he was about the hassle I’m suffering from the plane huggers. That kind of thing is not unusual in my life.
Q: Why won’t Kee do the video test?
A: His university won’t let him.
Q: But he’s done a lot exposing 9/11 lies like proving the cell phone calls were impossible.
A: Kee is allowed some freedom but NPT is the key to the kingdom. It would topple the kingdom, so he won’t go there. Physics911.net has this “What may have happened” and “What did not happen” and he won’t use ‘em. He won’t run your article. They have to have Arab hijackers, so they have to have airplanes.
Q: So do you believe there were no planes?
A: Logic tells me there were no airliners involved. They never showed any wreckage, the hole was empty, and the government showed a few parts but no serial numbers, no part numbers.
Q: The government could have crashed a plane, say, in Pennsylvania, by remote control.
A: Too many problems. Somebody could pick up a part with a serial number.
Q: What about the controversy over high-energy explosives at the WTC?
A: Well, I tend to agree with those who believe they were used but my problem has always been the video. It was fake and that was the end of it for me. Case closed!
Q: Is SPINE or Scholars for 911 Truth doing any good?
A: Absolutely not, they haven’t done anything for a couple of years. SPINE is defunct. In 2004, for example, I sent something by Gerard Holmgren against the plane huggers to Kee and nothing came of it. SPINE never puts up anything controversial so it is just safe stuff, orthodoxy now.
Q: Nila Sagadevan is a big defender of planes at the WTC.
A: When he joined SPINE I called him up because he lived in southern California and found he lived only 6-7 miles from me. We talked about going for a beer but when I got around to the NPT, he said that was nonsense. “My friend Greg Szymanski visited ground zero and reported a jet engine so I know a plane hit the bldg,” and he hung up. Nila has some weird beliefs and I forwarded an email from him to Kee and wrote, “Ask this guy if he’s ever interviewed an ET.” Nila wants to get on talk shows, peddle his weird beliefs, and he depends on the media to sell his books. Gurus are liars.
Q: Why is there such resistance to NPT?
A: NPT is a direct attack on the head of the snake. You can go after Bush, Cheney and that whole compartmentalized entity but not the head of the snake. NPT is the only thing that we have direct evidence of, so it is very threatening. The media control everything because they can point the finger at anybody. The media is the enforcement arm of the head of the snake that controls everything. It can topple any government. And NPT is direct proof of their enforcement of the 9/11 scam. It’s the propaganda arm of the ruling class and NPT would break it all open. They’d be done.
Please view this link showing many different video angles of the second “plane” strike.
nomoregames.net/2006/08/01/a-no-planer-resigns-from-s-p-i-n-e/
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andyh wrote:
IMHO they let it happen on purpose. There is ofc evidence for that, seeing as the planes flew around unchallenged for that long off path.
As for no planes, that would be great only there are actual dead people who were on those planes incl the ex israeli sas guy who was a co-owner of akamia technologies.
What the hell does that have to do with the passenger list for each of the hijacked planes?
I mean...did people get on the plane a day before ffs lol?

So I suppose there's hundreds of people they machine gunned in the desert in a mass grave somewhere just so they could fly empty planes into buildings, or rather no planes at all?

Soz, doesn't make sense.



It means we don't know which is the real plane from the two, and which one crashed, we don't know how the same plane can be in two different locations, so we don't know if the plane in question that had the passenger list was the said plane.

We don't know if a fake plane was created to crash passengers from a list that did not really exist to that plane.

Can you be more exact with your question, how does a passenger list prove a plane crashed into a building, when those passengers could have been on a flight that did not officially exist, so they could have all been placed onto the plane that crashed in a rural area, do you believe that a plane hit the pentagon, if not what happened to that passenger list?
This is where my bottom line would be if it existed.
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I forgot to mention, fuel on its own is not combustible (really). There has to be the correct air/fuel mixture to achieve combustion. Getting this balance right in a real world open air scenario is extraordinarily difficult.. if you have the time to watch the whole episode:

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Blue_Tackler wrote:
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IMHO they let it happen on purpose. There is ofc evidence for that, seeing as the planes flew around unchallenged for that long off path.
As for no planes, that would be great only there are actual dead people who were on those planes incl the ex israeli sas guy who was a co-owner of akamia technologies.
What the hell does that have to do with the passenger list for each of the hijacked planes?
I mean...did people get on the plane a day before ffs lol?

So I suppose there's hundreds of people they machine gunned in the desert in a mass grave somewhere just so they could fly empty planes into buildings, or rather no planes at all?

Soz, doesn't make sense.



It means we don't know which is the real plane from the two, and which one crashed, we don't know how the same plane can be in two different locations, so we don't know if the plane in question that had the passenger list was the said plane.

We don't know if a fake plane was created to crash passengers from a list that did not really exist to that plane.

Can you be more exact with your question, how does a passenger list prove a plane crashed into a building, when those passengers could have been on a flight that did not officially exist, so they could have all been placed onto the plane that crashed in a rural area, do you believe that a plane hit the pentagon, if not what happened to that passenger list?

We know that a lot of people died who were supposedly on those planes.
It doesn't prove that planes hit the building but tbh given that literally hundreds of people saw planes hitting the building and they recovered airplane parts and those people haven't turned up alive anywhere then its fairly safe to say planes did hit the buildings.

There's little point in saying planes didn't hit, after all, why go to such lengths to avoid it, given that they'd have to kill the passengers separately.

Moreover why bother discussing in on an internet forum? I find the whole thing laughable tbh, it won't change anything.
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Andyh Do you think a plane hit the pentagon ?

If not what happened to the passenger list?

I thought you had posted that a passenger list was some type of evidence that proved something or another?

If you don't want to post the topic don't post it.
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Please watch this.

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andyh wrote:
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IMHO they let it happen on purpose. There is ofc evidence for that, seeing as the planes flew around unchallenged for that long off path.
As for no planes, that would be great only there are actual dead people who were on those planes incl the ex israeli sas guy who was a co-owner of akamia technologies.
What the hell does that have to do with the passenger list for each of the hijacked planes?
I mean...did people get on the plane a day before ffs lol?

So I suppose there's hundreds of people they machine gunned in the desert in a mass grave somewhere just so they could fly empty planes into buildings, or rather no planes at all?

Soz, doesn't make sense.



It means we don't know which is the real plane from the two, and which one crashed, we don't know how the same plane can be in two different locations, so we don't know if the plane in question that had the passenger list was the said plane.

We don't know if a fake plane was created to crash passengers from a list that did not really exist to that plane.

Can you be more exact with your question, how does a passenger list prove a plane crashed into a building, when those passengers could have been on a flight that did not officially exist, so they could have all been placed onto the plane that crashed in a rural area, do you believe that a plane hit the pentagon, if not what happened to that passenger list?

We know that a lot of people died who were supposedly on those planes.
It doesn't prove that planes hit the building but tbh given that literally hundreds of people saw planes hitting the building and they recovered airplane parts and those people haven't turned up alive anywhere then its fairly safe to say planes did hit the buildings.

There's little point in saying planes didn't hit, after all, why go to such lengths to avoid it, given that they'd have to kill the passengers separately.

Moreover why bother discussing in on an internet forum? I find the whole thing laughable tbh, it won't change anything.

I agree with everything you've said except for it being laughable. BT is learning much ;)
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Blue_Tackler wrote:
Andyh Do you think a plane hit the pentagon ?

If not what happened to the passenger list?

I thought you had posted that a passenger list was some type of evidence that proved something or another?

If you don't want to post the topic don't post it.

Its the sheer futility of it all BT.
I've seen this ongoing babble for donkeys years now, it hasn't achieved anything.
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Please watch this.


I was researching to do the calculations needed, and I came across this which has done it for me. Excellent.

911blogger.com/node/20232

The plane can indeed travel that fast. That blog article also speaks of how I believe they were flown. Autopilot program via GPS.

The plane weight about 300,000lbs, was travelling at over 500mph, and is aerodynamically shapped. Of course its going to continue flying through the building. You can't tell me that a building designed to sway in the wind would stop it.

One more point, they were comparing the plane crashing with vehicles not so aerodynamic nor weighty, and not travelling at 500+mph. What they were crashing into, was neither absorbatitve by nature.
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I haven't read this thread because I just don't see any point in putting energy into this when it happened 12 years ago. If something was going to happen it would have needed to have occurred quickly. But regarding the Pentagon, it's worth looking at this talk here:

911research.wtc7.net/talks/noplane/index.html

I would really recommend that site as the most authoritative site which rubbishes the OS, and they don't accept that a plane didn't hit the Pentagon and made some good points on the subject, so it is worth taking a look at.
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 10 Feb 2014 15:00 #217

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I agree with everything you've said except for it being laughable. BT is learning much ;)

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SilvaRizla wrote:
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Please watch this.


I was researching to do the calculations needed, and I came across this which has done it for me. Excellent.

911blogger.com/node/20232

The plane can indeed travel that fast. That blog article also speaks of how I believe they were flown. Autopilot program via GPS.

The plane weight about 300,000lbs, was travelling at over 500mph, and is aerodynamically shapped. Of course its going to continue flying through the building. You can't tell me that a building designed to sway in the wind would stop it.

One more point, they were comparing the plane crashing with vehicles not so aerodynamic nor weighty, and not travelling at 500+mph. What they were crashing into, was neither absorbatitve by nature.

Did you not see Dr Wood on that YouTube clip?
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500mph <<<< can't go at that speed at that altitude .
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Andyh Do you think a plane hit the pentagon ?

If not what happened to the passenger list?

I thought you had posted that a passenger list was some type of evidence that proved something or another?

If you don't want to post the topic don't post it.

Its the sheer futility of it all BT.
I've seen this ongoing babble for donkeys years now, it hasn't achieved anything.

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