MrsGood wrote:
Could you clarify why he'd been in them many, many times, if they were extremely evil?

Why would they want to bribe him to join? Did he tell you?

Archbishop? I find it easy to accept that those connected with the running of churches are evil, given their history.

dawnbreak wrote:
Perhaps a lot of people speculate and jump to conclusions.

I'm speaking from knowledge of someone I've lived with for over 23 years. But I also know other people within his lodge, on a social level. Obviously that doesn't mean you know everything about people - you can't. But we all naturally make judgements about the people we interact with, and in my judgement, the ones I've met are a bunch of nice, simple people. That being the case, I don't like to think of people who know nothing about them labelling them paedophiles. It's wrong.

Well Jimmy Savile asked to be buried at 45 degrees .......so if that wasn't a masonic reference pray tell ..what is

Yeah your husband is a mason .......does he take you along to the meetings or are you excluded from that because your female?

Gilly wrote:
He was an organ builder, and owned an organ building company as well as others, i'm sure he knew many of them personally too. He never spoke of evil, but he was very angry when he spoke of the masons, and used the word evil to describe them, and also you don't want to know how evil these people are.
I never quizzed him as our relationship was about love and laughter not gestapo lights.
As far as bribery goes he was given a huge international company.
He was awarded a top top medal for bravey, which he was ashamed of as he felt others did more.
The list goes on.
He was put in charge of secret intelligence, at woo woo secret locations.
He gave nearly every-thing away, to those with less.
He refused to join them and he was not being dramatic when he said how evil they are. Drama wasn't his thing

dawnbreak wrote:
As I said earlier, I can't speak of the higher echelons, because I've had no dealings with them. what I'm saying is that to tar everybody involved with masonary as paedo's is wrong, and I can attest that anything of that nature that might go on is not common knowledge among the ordinary lodges. There are secrets withheld from the lower levels btw.

If the people I know where introduced to such a secret, as, "Ah, now that you've reached this degree, we can advise you that we rape kiddies", thy'd react exactly the same way as you or I would. It's elite who band together imo - and at a more mundane level, as per Brian Gerrish's research, the CP indoctrinates, both male and female, in all walks of life, like the police force, and the social services and local councils etc.

He never spoke of evil, but he was very angry when he spoke of the masons, and used the word evil to describe them,

that is exactly what my dad said MrsGood

MrsGood wrote:
and yet
MrsGood wrote:
che?

mikey mikey wrote:
Don't be a prat you know what i meant

I won't attempt to refute anything either of you have said, MrsGood & Dawn. Even though it's vague - someone else you each knew said they were 'evil' - proves nothing, but still might be correct.

But I'm not having it that all masons are paedophiles, or are aware in any way, shape or form, aware of any 'evil' doing by others within the masons. I'm certain the suggestion is mistaken, and it's downright offensive to innocent people.

Gilly wrote:
Wind your neck in Gilly, two of my best friends are masons and far from evil, infact quite the opposite

Gilly I'm not saying every Mason is a peodophile........what I am saying is the fact that Child Abusers , such as Jimmy Saville , may have got away with it because they were a mason and the 'club' covered it up

I'm in Edinburgh and know for a fact that , Tom Paton, was a mason and got away with abusing children/young adults for years

If you don't know who Tom Paton was he was the manager of the Bay City Rollers ..and he buggered them all and got away with it because he was a mason

Gilly wrote:
I agree. Whether one agrees with Free Masonry or not, to accuse anybody involved with it as somehpw abetting child abuse is ridiculous.

Jimmy Saviie was in the BBC, so are we to assume this about the Beeb, too? (I have seen it suggested )

Savile was a DJ and central to British pop music. Are we to throw out our record collection along with our DVDs of Dr Who now?

He was involved in charities so that will save us some money. No more to the chuggers cos they support pedos, is that it?

Oh and chuck out the NHS and Social Services alonfg with the NGO s and private charities.

No more marathons for you either!

He was very well in the Royals so we will have to become a Republic and so bye bye Church of England.

And he was a Roman Catholic but many of you have already decided that they are ALL kiddy fiddlers years ago.

What we SHOULD have learned from the Savile crimes is that Paedos are where you least expect them.

Using the atrocities of nonces to bash institutions for ulterior reasons is at best opportunistic and cynical and at worst exploitative of the suffering.

dawnbreak wrote:
What I'm challenging is the assumption that anybody got away with anything 'because' they were masons. These are people in positions of power, through money, social status, celebrity etc. Why do you believe there has to be a link to some club to afford them protection. It's connections, certainly, but it's connections of like minded scummy people in positions of authority.

I'm not saying some of those same characters aren't in the masons. It just doesn't follow that a boy's club outside of their own self-made network is necessarily instrumental in any of it.

MrsGood wrote:
I would rather you clarified.

mikey mikey wrote: Fuck off

MrsGood wrote:
Excuse me?

mikey mikey wrote: spise dritt og dø

don't argue between yourselves

MrsGood wrote:
I think you can take your flaming somewhere else.

I will wait for fellow SZers to see how totally uncalled for your response was.