This one has been quietly pushed away from the front pages by all MSM. Incase you missed it, the European Social Charter which the UK must abide by as a member of the EU has stated in a recent report that our benefits payments are woefully inadequate and the UK must comply with it by law.

Here

Oh dear IDS. ;it's not just the EU, but the UN too!
rt.com/news/un-report-bedroom-tax-604/
But it seems that the government have taken a leaf out of John Bolton's book:

That's right, opposition to the bedroom tax and a return to Rachmanism, is in fact Marxism.

That's FOX News style McCarthyism, isn't it?

Well, read the report (8 pages) in full and find the Marxism.
www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/20...orteur-raquel-rolnik
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Just like Where's Wally but this time it's Katch Karl.

This is interesting, little wonder cameron is pushing for the vote on the eu then.

I'm surprised the media hasn't made more of it, unless it'll be in tomorrows perhaps?

If the UK is bad though why is there no mention of how terrible other countries welfare programs are? Such as the US for example, the so called leader of the free world?

andyh wrote:


The media has purposefully not promoted the issue, its a couple of days old now.

They did address other countries who also are at fault (so I hear), but the report is specifically a response to investigating the UK's reforms.

OK so the media have definitely failed us then.
CH4 will no doubt carry on with benefits street lol..

What other countries were mentioned as a matter of interest?

As an aside btw, personally I believe the EU's basic concepts are good, I like the ability to travel easily, open trade etc.
I only wish more brits made use of it instead of whining about it.

Also if we cannot make changes at the ballot box in the UK then why worry about having a different govt thats just the same?
The UK lost its sovereignty a long time ago to rich foreigners...they ended up on the throne.

Public sentiment is currently almost totally against benefits claimants ; they are about on par with naughty bankers!

So I doubt this will cut any ice.

andyh wrote:
It was a few, I don't have the exact details to hand unfortunately, I know Bulgaria was among them.

I also think that the core framework of the EU is good. Its mighty expensive, but to protect certain rights I believe membership is necessary.

As was said (as I also said on my blog) the EU is getting in the way of certain 'reform' from this Tory government, and we need the EU for protection. Not just that, I mean, I could understand if we were a producing nation but we aren't, without the EU and certain trade benefits it gives us we'll be well and truly fucked. You only have to look at Tory policy to know that whatever Cunteron thinks is good for this country, certainly is not good for its people. Why people would agree with him and want to be out of the EU I have no idea. People need to be better informed, and he knows that most aren't and will just go along with whatever MSM touts as gospel.

Verlander wrote:
Its amazing how easily they have been manipulated given that JSA only takes up 3% of the DWP budget and given that it serves to keep wages low having unemployed and that the benefits they get while actually in work far exceed JSA and again serve to keep wages low subsiding businesses yet again, not to mention landlords pocketing huge sums for sod all effort on their part.

What little natural resources and govt owned services have been sold off for massive profiteering too and then there's all the offshore tax dodging.

The only income the UK has now of significance is really in banking services with non existent debt instruments which directly caused the entire banking collapse in the first place....I could go on for hours ffs lol

SilvaRizla wrote:
Personally I find it ridiculous that we are now turning to the EU for protection from tories.
You're right we're not a producing nation, we're truly goat fucked tbh.

Verlander wrote:
That may be so, but the law is the law. Is it any wonder that MSM have pushed this aside? Doesn't exactly tie in with their ongoing attacks on claimants does it?

Public perception needs to change, and it will given time. Reports of this nature need to be highlighted if that is to happen

Obviously what is being said here is correct. But maybe it'd be a good idea to get the soup kitchens off the streets of Athens, Spain youth unemployment slightly lower than 60%, give the Cypriot people who lost 80% of their life savings their money back, etc, before commenting on non-Euro members. I mean, the Eurozone is totally fucked economically, it's possibly arguably in an even worse state than Britain. People are going to fucking need benefit, believe me.

andyh wrote:
I agree yet disagree, it might be ridiculous but I believe that's what it's for

The fact that people in work still need benefits to have any kind of a quality of living tells you all you need to know about this country. Its on its arse and only serves the elites.

wake_up_bomb wrote:
Its like unravelling a ball of twine isn't it? Where would you start.

Yes you're right that the Eurozone is fucked but is that down to decisions made by the EU? You could go on all day tracking blame, but it'll always come back to corrupt politicians and the world bank. They can write off all of Europe's debt overnight if they wanted.

This whole situation has been engineered by the banking collapse.
That said, the UK has always had very low wages compared to the rest of the EU or the US. I guess that just made it all the more vulnerable.

SilvaRizla wrote: Not specifically, but it's just another plutocracy. It's just another orgy for the political-class, banks and corporations. They haven't done anything to help the average person; it's just another NAFTA. Did they stop the IMF from taking over numerous countries? No. Did they stop the bail in within Cyprus? No. Did they stop Goldman Sachs from fucking Greece over? No. You could go on at length, and yet all this has happened and the countries are in a worse, far worse, economic position than 20 years ago when the single currency began. Yet all the fucking bureaucrats get together and have a big piss up to celebrate fifty years of the fantastic European experiment:

europa.eu/50/index_en.htm

It's a fucking joke, as far as I'm concerned. It is telling to me that the country in the world which is closest to the way I would like to see society run, Switzerland, hasn't gone anywhere near it, although they did peg their currency to the euro, which to me is a big mistake. But as you say, if the EU was really bothered about poor people they'd stand up to corrupt elitist institutions like the World Bank, IMF, BIS, etc. Let's not hold our breath waiting for that to happen!

wake_up_bomb wrote:
Yeah I have to agree Switzerland is the best example going for direct democracy, although they too are heavily reliant on banking. It could end badly for them too.

IMHO the best example of governance is not a nation state but the Mondragon Corporation, but you know all about that
Loads of self employed people all with an equal share of the kitty and owning their own education, healthcare, housing etc etc with a direct vote on everything is a fantastic idea. They even have their own banks but thats as a reaction to FR banking, they are using the elites own weapons against them. Thats the basic core tactic of anarcho-syndicalism.
Just a shame I don't speak spanish... lol

Maybe the EU will force everyone to speak english and then we can all emigrate :p

Let's be honest about this. Many of those opposing the system whether, in the alternative movement or whatever, are benefits dependent.

What better way to choke off opposition than to threaten benefits?
No point trying to blame Cameron. It will be no different if Mr Millipede comes to power next year. They are all pawns and are for our entertainment only!

The UK is only applying the next step- Permanent Austerity (i.e. transference of wealth upwards) which is part of a process that the whole international 1%ers put on the cards decades ago.

Japan has the "working poor", America's has seen an astronomical widening of uber rich and median earners, Canada, Australia and New Zealand have all had collective bargaining rights stripped, welfare and pensions collected in taxation only to disappear, etc.

Europe is no different. It's next and the UK will be the vanguard.

wake_up_bomb wrote:

Verlander wrote:
Whilst true, I reckon that you need to start by standing up to those who appear to be in power. Follow from the tail to the head of the snake as it were...