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RIP Tony Benn 16 Mar 2014 12:13 #41

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I did some filming with him once at seven in the morning, the only time he could do it. I got a taxi to his house, driven by a Pakistani man in a rage about the Iraq war. “Politicians are all crooks,” he kept saying, “The only one I trust is Tony Benn.” “Well,” I said, “strangely, we’re going to his house.” “Tony Benn? House of Tony Benn? We go to house of Tony Benn? Not Tony Benn?” he said.when we arrived I asked Tony Benn: “Would you mind meeting the taxi driver, he’s a huge fan of yours.” Then I went in with the driver who yelped and clasped Benn’s hand, saying “This is such a good day. Oh such a good day. My friends will not believe this.”

And Benn said: “Well I don’t know about that but I’ve got the kettle on if you’d like a cup of tea.”

This seemed to be his life. The more unassuming and down to earth he was, the more he acquired the reputation that narcissists crave.

In later years, when the establishment were unable to damage him or his reputation with their claims of his inherent evil, they labelled him a national sweetheart, and if he’d wanted to, I’m sure he could have presented Countdown and got to the final of Strictly Come Dancing.

But he ignored his new image, almost baffled by the acclaim he drew, and continued to make the case that a world in which the richest 400 have the same wealth as the poorest 2 billion is probably a bit wrong, and could do with putting right. And he did it to the end, in such a way that made anyone listening believe it was possible.

Interviewed a few weeks ago, he was asked how he’d like to be remembered. He said: “With the words ‘he inspired us’.”

Well he’s got no worries there. No worries at all
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RIP Tony Benn 16 Mar 2014 16:44 #42

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A tad defensive but i can see where that comes from.
I don't blame folk or think they are thick or lacking spirit or anything. There has never been a level playing field. The web of lies infests every aspect of civilised life. We the people never really stood a chance. If we did it was long ago imo. And we clearly failed if we ever even did have that chance.
But huxley was right with the ultimate revolution thing imo. That is what i see, except people aren't all content and stupified...
They are stressed, worried, scared in many cases. If anything that's the soma drug. So much inner doubt and layer upon layer of society led bullshit notions about bodies, bank balances, goods and chattels.
The people are far too concerned about paying for their homes to have time to indulge in um looking at it objectively and going oh yeah thats how we are being fucked what could we do to sort this bullshit out?

Sorry i am waffling.
Not really, that's all completely true.

I accept that it's 99.99% likely that there will be no significant economic or political change in my lifetime, but if we continue with the existing economic and political system, I am 100% certain that the existing trends will continue and get worse.

Turning up to vote is giving authority and legitimacy to a political system that was never from day one intended to represent me or anyone else that will ever log on to this forum, and God knows it doesn't represent us today.

If you take the Labour party for example, although it applies equally to the Lib-Cons, the last time they were in government they did numerous completely indefensible things and virtually completely abandoned their supposed key principles and sold the people that they're supposed to represent down the river. Has it affected their core support? Not in the slightest. How do you think they respond when they bomb the shit out of Iraq and then people who were dead set against it still turn up and vote for them? Or the Tories and the Lib Dems pursue equally ridiculous policies and utterly abandon their manifesto commitments because it doesn’t fit an elitist agenda, but then retain all of their core support and safe seats anyway? The way they respond is...we can just do what the fuck we want. Who’s going to stop us? They will vote for us whatever we do.

And I see people in The Guardian’s comments section still believing and hoping that Ed Miliband will turn things around. It’s idiocy beyond belief as far as I’m concerned.

The only way things can possibly change at a political level is if people vote for what they want rather than people to represent what they want. This is monumentally unlikely to happen in my lifetime, but we know what happens if the public elects people to represent what they want. They don’t do it. They represent the trillion dollar interests that control the society. We’ve seen every hue of political party in government and it hasn’t made a rat’s arse of a difference to the broad trend of a small elite gaining more power and wealth and pretty much everyone else getting steadily poorer and more marginalised. And I’ve seen numerous general elections, and hundreds of millions of votes cast, and it’s all been a total waste of time as far as I’m concerned.

So I’ve done some work with the People’s Administration for Direct Democracy, and I will do some more in the future, and I’m sure it won’t achieve anything, but what I won’t do is play ball with the existing elitist system and lend it credence that it doesn’t deserve.
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RIP Tony Benn 16 Mar 2014 17:34 #43

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Anyway, this has got a bit off-topic:

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RIP Tony Benn 16 Mar 2014 19:57 #44

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I was speaking with my sister the other about this.

We both have young adult children

My son knows of Tony Benn and has been quite interested in learning more. Her child has apparently never heard of him at age 22

Which is not true as she has told her about Tony Benn and Micheal Foot

But this culture of the next generation ignoring politics will not get anyone anywhere

If the only people that vote are right wing they then get into power again, again

You have a vote ..use it ......even if you do not agree with the principal, use it to vote for the least abusive party
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RIP Tony Benn 16 Mar 2014 21:45 #46

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Nice try but you can't guilt trip a rational and informed viewpoint ;)
"laws are unenforceable if the majority break them."-humanspirit,
"avoid the concept of an ambassador for truth altogether"-gilly.
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