silvershine wrote:
Do you suspect that he could have been set up and all of the wikleaks is some sort of psyop?

I'm not sure Mikey, with some of the things that go on sometimes anything is possible, misinformation, disinformation, various major mind control techniques.

I've been around long enough to learn of what can happen.

silvershine wrote:
Well I am cynical enough to believe that it is the theory that wikileaks is cointelpro that is the actual cointelpro. I have quite a few reasons for believing that; one being that the wikileaks=cointelpro is pushed by the same people which started the astroturf movement that became the Tea Party. They are also behind the NYC muslim bashing. And a whol bunch DDOS attacks on wikileaks.

I am slightly familiar with what cointel is.....

It could be strawman,

has any of the info given been proven?

There can be so much confusion created, you get sent around in circles not knowing what to believe, you start going in one direction and then something else comes about and you don't know where you are with it, its all tactical. They know what they are doing, they certainly know......

silvershine wrote:
Since you were a mod on another forum, I am guessing that you are more than "slighlty" familiar with the notion of cointelpro.
silvershine wrote:
Are you sure you mean "strawman": i.e. misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.
silvershine wrote:
Yes.
silvershine wrote:
Actally there is little confusion but a lot of misinformation and conflation.

The people responsible are:

1. wingnut media pundits, journalists and anti leaks (representing the US governemt and the corporations that wikileaks exposed).

2, So called "liberal" or centre or centre left journalsists that at first supported wikileaks until the CIA set up the rape smears and the governement bared its teeth. They have now stuck the knife in.

3. The "conspiracy" pundits that have either been motivated by contrarianism (dusthead's theory) or more likely have found that wikileaks does not really fit that Ron Paul view of Murika. Militias are patriots after all.

4. Nazis and BNP types that see jews behind everything icluding Christmas lights (rodin). They certainly didn't forgive wikileaks for that BNP members list leak.

Its a messy old game. I still don't know how he obtained the documents....where did he get them?

In a document titled "The WikiLeaks Threat" three data intelligence companies, Plantir Technologies, HBGary Federal and Berico Technologies, outline a plan to attack Wikileaks. They are acting upon request from Hunton and Williams, a law firm working for Bank of America. The Department of Justice recommended the law firm to Bank of America according to an article in The Tech Herald. The prosed attacks on WikiLeaks according to the slides include these actions:

Feed the fuel between the feuding groups. Disinformation. Create messages around actions of sabotage or discredit the opposing organizations. Submit fake documents and then call out the error.

BCCI commenced operations in Pakistan in 1972, with much of its funding provided by Bank of America and the CIA.(372) Bank of America claims that it sold its BCCI interest in the early 1980s, but records show that Bank of America continued to control much of BCCI's operation until shortly before BCCI was shut down. In the early 1970s CIA operative Gunther Russbacher transferred sizeable amounts of CIA funds into the bank for the start-up operations.

Remember - The National Security Act of 1947, which created the CIA, was written by Wall Street lawyer and banker Clark Clifford. Clark Clifford is the man who brought the CIA backed drug bank BCCI into the United States. Allen Dulles who virtually designed the CIA and served as its Director, and his brother John Foster who was Eisenhower's Secretary of State, were Wall Street lawyers from the firm Sullivan and Cromwell. Dwight Eisenhower's personal liaison with the CIA was none other than Nelson Rockefeller. William Casey was Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission under Richard Nixon. Former CIA Directors from William Raborn to William Webster to Robert Gates to James Woolsey to John Deutch all sit or have sat on the Boards of the largest, richest and most powerful companies in America.

The idea seems absurd to me to be honest.

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has called on the United States to move from words to actions, and put an end to its persecution of WikiLeaks, its people and its sources. He made the statement during an address to a panel of UN delegates.

Addressing the representatives of the United Nations' member countries, the WikiLeaks founder spoke of the difference between words and actions, praising US President Barack Obama for his words.

"We commend and agree with the words that peace can be achieved… But the time for words has run out. It is time for the US to cease its persecution of WikiLeaks, our people and our sources."

Assange was highly critical of US involvement in the Arab Spring, denouncing Obama as audacious for exploiting it. He added that it is "disrespectful of the dead" to claim that the US has supported forces of change.

"Was it not audacious for the US President to say that his country supported the forces of change in the Arab Spring? Tunisian history did not begin in December 2010, and Mohamed Bouazizi did not set himself on fire so that Barack Obama could be re-elected," Assange told the panel.


"The world knew after reading WikiLeaks that Ben Ali and his government had for long years enjoyed the indifference, if not the support, of the US, in full knowledge of its excesses and its crimes. So it must come as a surprise to the Tunisians that the US supported the forces of change in their country, and it must come as a surprise to the Egyptian teenagers who washed American tear gas out of their eyes, that the US administration supported change in Egypt"

Julian Assange also spoke at length about Bradley Manning, the US private accused of supplying WikiLeaks with hundreds of sensitive diplomatic and military cables. Assange accused the US government of detaining Manning without charge and mistreating him, even attempting to offer him a deal in exchange for Manning's testimony against Assange. The WikiLeaks founder told the UN panel that Bradley Manning, accused of 'death penalty crimes', was "degraded, abused and psychologically tortured."

He added that the FBI had produced 42,135 pages of WikiLeaks-related activity, and less that 8,000 concern Bradley Manning, reiterating his belief that the US private is being senselessly detained.

“If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”

― Malcolm X