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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 12 Apr 2013 13:51 #381

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I'm generally suspicious of mass outpourings of any emotion. :cool:

And anything else unifying?

blood clots, slogans, scapegoats, generalizations :)
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So yer a commie with a fear of collectivism?

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Mike wrote:
I'm generally suspicious of mass outpourings of any emotion. :cool:

Riiiighhhht. ;) :hahano:

Before you start with the "not celebrate a death" thing, please re-read my first post on this thread.

This is no longer about celebrating her death.

This government want a saintly matriarch and make her a legend. That about the marginalisation of the majority opinion that she was a horrible Prime Minister. This is about prenting a whitewash revisionism that will enable future Tory policies of oppression.
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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 12 Apr 2013 14:02 #384

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"commies" are generally wary of collectivism, historically it's frequently been collectivism against "commies".
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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 12 Apr 2013 14:10 #385

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"commies" are generally wary of collectivism, historically it's frequently been collectivism against "commies".

“Fascists are not human. A snake is more human.” - Hugo Chávez
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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 12 Apr 2013 14:17 #386

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Mike wrote:
"commies" are generally wary of collectivism, historically it's frequently been collectivism against "commies".

So you're an individualist communist?

:killinme:

Yer daft commie.
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If you want labels we can divide, i'll still be strong.
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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 12 Apr 2013 14:50 #388

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:coffee: mfw rule 34'd within a few hours of death.
my limbless friend will die alone
a torso of flesh upon the throne

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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 12 Apr 2013 15:03 #389

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Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair, may we bring hope.

Statement on the doorstep of 10 Downing Street, after her election as Prime Minister,
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Mike wrote:
blood clots, slogans, scapegoats, generalizations :)

Is that how you see this anti-thatcher feeling in society?

Interesting.
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Mike wrote:
Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair, may we bring hope.

Statement on the doorstep of 10 Downing Street, after her election as Prime Minister,

quite the fan, aren't you? :gleek:

She did precisely the opposite, btw
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mikey mikey wrote:
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Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair, may we bring hope.

Statement on the doorstep of 10 Downing Street, after her election as Prime Minister,

quite the fan, aren't you? :gleek:

She did precisely the opposite, btw

Commies do tend to like their glorious leaders...just as all wingnuts do.
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“A lively new polemic about the concepts ‘one divides into two’ and ‘two fuse into one’ is unfolding on the philosophical front in this country. This debate is a struggle between those who are for and those who are against the materialist dialectic, a struggle between two conceptions of the world: the proletarian conception and the bourgeois conception. Those who maintain that ‘one divides into two’ is the fundamental law of things are on the side of the materialist dialectic; those who maintain that the fundamental law of things is that ‘two fuse into one’ are against the materialist dialectic. The two sides have drawn a clear line of demarcation between them, and their arguments are diametrically opposed. This polemic is a reflection, on the ideological level, of the acute and complex class struggle taking place in China and in the world.”
—Red Flag (Beijing), September 21, 1964
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mikey mikey wrote:
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Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair, may we bring hope.

Statement on the doorstep of 10 Downing Street, after her election as Prime Minister,

quite the fan, aren't you? :gleek:

She did precisely the opposite, btw
She exploited the sentiments of unity/harmony and mass psychology to leave a lasting legacy of Freemarket domination of Western Civilization.
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Just because she lied about harmony, does not mean harmony is always a lie.
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Commies do tend to like their glorious leaders...just as all wingnuts do.

Indeed it seems that there is something North Korean about Briain this week.
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what sort of family did Thatcher come from i here you ask?


Alderman Alfred Roberts, revered father of Margaret Thatcher and inspirer of her Victorian values, sexually harassed young female assistants working in the grocer's shop where she grew up, according to the distinguished political biographer Professor Bernard Crick.

Writing in the satirical magazine Punch, the political theorist, commentator and biographer of George Orwell recounts claims from contemporaries of the one-time Methodist preacher, pillar of society and Mayor of Grantham, Lincolnshire, that he "was a notorious toucher-up".

The assaults supposedly took place about 60 years ago, behind the counter of the shop, next to the "splendid mahogany spice drawers with sparkling brass handles (and) large, black, lacquered tea canisters", recalled in her autobiography by Baroness Thatcher, whose decisive endorsement of William Hague as Conservative leader last week has renewed her influence with the Tory right.

"Older teachers," Professor Crick was told by a Grantham friend, "all remembered their difficulty in trying, good women, to steer girls away from taking jobs at his shop.

"They were frightened to hint at the real reason: for he was a figure of real power in the town."

Crick, emeritus professor of the University of London, said that he learnt of the allegations in the mid-1980s, when the then Prime Minister was promoting the Victorian values of thrift and self-reliance that she had admired in her Rotarian father.

Her comments made the left-wing academic realise that he held the seeds of a story that could damage the Conservatives. Before the 1987 general election, he said, he gave the story to a friendly Daily Mirror journalist, who then declined to alert his newsdesk, fearing the wrath of owner Robert Maxwell, should it create too much controversy.

The story remained a secret until it appeared in Punch last week, although he had tried to persuade the magazine to publish it before this year's election.

Lady Thatcher's office said that the former Prime Minister had no comment.

However, although tales of her father's alleged sexual misconduct might not have been known nationally, they have been common currency in Grantham for years, it was clear last week.

Peter Hadlow, 76, lived next-door-but-one to the Robertses, and overheard many conversations about the scandal when working as an apprentice electrician. "Quite a broad spectrum of people said it. It was all over Grantham virtually," he said. "I would hear the boss talking about it. My ears were flapping - that sounds juicy, I thought.

"These stories were bandied about, and eventually you begin to believe there was some truth in them. But he was an Alderman and so that sort of thing got hushed up. It was a question of who do you believe - a teenage girl, or Mr Roberts?"

Mr Hadlow still lives in the same area of the town and added: "Funnily enough, when he gave up running the shop, he changed into a really nice bloke".

More significant still were the comments of a 74-year-old woman from Grantham, who told the Independent on Sunday that she had been molested on frequent occasions by Alderman Roberts, when she worked in his shop, aged just 15.

She said: "He was a bad one. He came round and put his arms around me, feeling my breasts. He used to put his tongue in my mouth.

"I got quite frightened. I didn't like it and I'd push him away. He'd say nothing and go, but then he would come back again. He used to chase other girls round the counter." She worked at the shop for six months until she told her parents what was happening. Her father told her she should not return.

The woman, who does not wish to be named, was then a chorister at the Methodist chapel where Alderman Roberts was a lay preacher. "One Sunday, I got up and walked out. I couldn't stand him standing up there and preaching," she said.

It was only then, when her parents challenged her to explain her behaviour, that she told them about the harassment she had suffered at the hands of the Alderman.

Professor Crick said that his piece was "written in the spirit of good- humoured satiric rage".

He said he had wanted it to be published before the general election. "I was so angry at the Conservative Party using all that family values stuff. To use it for political purposes is really quite off. It debases politics and in the end, you get caught out. It's a great offence to exploit and mythologise the past for political purposes."

Punch also sent a reporter to Grantham, who found pensioners willing to recount lurid tales about the grocer. One elderly resident claimed that she had two cousins working at the shop. "He was forever pinching their bums when they bent over - and looking up their skirts."

Journalist Richard Creasy wrote: "Memories of Alderman Alf raise a smirk amongst the pensioners who remember him far from fondly."

Paul Spike, editor of Punch, said: "People have been talking about this, but no one has been willing to run this until now. Crick has been talking about it for decades - he's a known responsible figure.

"We're not saying this has been established in a court of law. We thought we should check it out further. That's as much as we could get."

The rumours about Alderman Roberts took on fictional form in a novel about Thirties Grantham, Rotten Borough, written by local journalist Oliver Anderson and published in 1937. It featured a councillor who ran a corner grocery shop and was given to frolicking with his female assistants. At one point he is caught in flagrante beside the pork pies and polony sausages when a faulty light is switched on and passers-by see him, trousers down, through the shop window.

Rotten Borough was withdrawn from sale after just three weeks following threats from the Grantham establishment, including an earl and MP, of legal action. In 1989 it was republished by Fourth Estate. Its author died last year.

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I hope that jesus wins. My rancour does not go so far as Hell.

I hope and I ave prayed that she is saved.

Any soul that repents should be saved.

Then there is purgatory. Which is the pain of knowing just why and wha you have done. Xmas Caorl by Dickens is a perfect example/ It is the balance of Mercy and Justice.


And as a Catholic I pray to support souls in that hour of terrible realisation.

IIt is complicated and Dan Brown is dick
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