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Poll: Apollo Moon Landing

Yes Bar 13 39.4%
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TOPIC: Did man land on the moon in 1969?

Re: Did man land on the moon in 1969? 17 Jun 2013 22:31 #21

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The pyramids for a start...we haven't got the technology to build something that mathematically accurate today.

Nonsense.
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Re: Did man land on the moon in 1969? 17 Jun 2013 22:32 #22

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Gerald Thomas wrote:
diamondgeezer wrote:
The pyramids for a start...we haven't got the technology to build something that mathematically accurate today.

Nonsense.

Oh, well that's a convincing argument, 'Gerald'. You must be right then.
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Re: Did man land on the moon in 1969? 17 Jun 2013 22:34 #23

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Gerald Thomas wrote:
diamondgeezer wrote:
The pyramids for a start...we haven't got the technology to build something that mathematically accurate today.

Nonsense.


Here you go... :P


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Re: Did man land on the moon in 1969? 17 Jun 2013 22:41 #24

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We definitely did go to the moon.
All the arguments put forward so far have been easily debunked with decent explanations and some of the ones put forward for us not having gone were obviously false, some of them deliberately made up IMHO.

Another example is the laser reflector...it has to be aimed at a specific spot on the moon to get a return beam...obviously because the moons surface would scatter the bloody reflection lol... :D

I especially dislike the slanderous stuff about the mental health of various astronauts, along with the 'can't dissipate heat in space' codswallop.
You can see the ISS with a pair of binoculars for fucks sake...
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Re: Did man land on the moon in 1969? 17 Jun 2013 22:43 #25

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Gilly wrote:
Gerald Thomas wrote:
diamondgeezer wrote:
The pyramids for a start...we haven't got the technology to build something that mathematically accurate today.

Nonsense.

Oh, well that's a convincing argument, 'Gerald'. You must be right then.

Forgive me if i am wrong but i see nothing convincing in:
diamondgeezer wrote:
The pyramids for a start...we haven't got the technology to build something that mathematically accurate today.

No reasons raised so none to comment on. The statement is nonsense (not based in fact or reality) but if diamondgeezer is willing to elaborate i am willing to enter into discourse.
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Did man land on the moon in 1969? 17 Jun 2013 22:45 #26

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When you join a forum, it's nice to introduce oneself wouldn't you agree? :roll:
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Did man land on the moon in 1969? 17 Jun 2013 22:49 #27

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When you join a forum, it's nice to introduce oneself wouldn't you agree? :roll:

Is that not Facebook :wink:
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Did man land on the moon in 1969? 17 Jun 2013 22:50 #28

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Gerald Thomas wrote:
psketti wrote:
When you join a forum, it's nice to introduce oneself wouldn't you agree? :roll:

Is that not Facebook :wink:


Nah... around here we just class it as good manners.

You got any of those? :P
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Did man land on the moon in 1969? 17 Jun 2013 22:50 #29

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Don't worry sketts we'll find out soon enough lol :p
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Did man land on the moon in 1969? 17 Jun 2013 22:51 #30

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Aye :D
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Re: Did man land on the moon in 1969? 18 Jun 2013 01:04 #31

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Mrindigo wrote:
One thing bothers me though about the lunar landing and the trip there. There exists a fairly potent area between the moon and Earth comprised of intense radiation and electromagnetism called the Van Allen belt.

350px Van Allen Radiation Belt.svg


My issue is how they were able shield the astronauts and sensitive equipment on board. I asked this question on DIF when I was still active, and was given an answer I thought was amusing. I was told they flew over the belt, as if it were some two-dimensional donut shaped object. The problem there is the other intense gamma rays and bursts emanating from the sun outside of the range of the belt. Either way the astronauts would have been heavily exposed to radiation and electromagnetism. I don't proclaim to be an aeronautics and astronautics engineer, so I can't tell you how any of components were designed, manufactured, and assembled. The question still remains though, how did they shield from that? The two most common things used for blocking radiation are lead and concrete mixtures. A less commonly used material, but more effective, is gold. Both gold and lead are very dense would have made it difficult for liftoff with the added weight I think would be required to effectively shield the cosmic energy. So then what are we left with?
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Did man land on the moon in 1969? 18 Jun 2013 10:33 #32

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I tend to believe that the moon landings did occur because they were tracked by Jodrell Bank and you can view the data openly to this day. Contrast this to what occurred after 9/11, for example.
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Did man land on the moon in 1969? 18 Jun 2013 10:58 #33

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
I tend to believe that the moon landings did occur because they were tracked by Jodrell Bank and you can view the data openly to this day. Contrast this to what occurred after 9/11, for example.

On 11 when the LM flipped over neither Armstrong or Aldrin recognized a thing, the area was full of boulders and craters and not their landing site. The computer had flown them long because of data dropouts caused by overflow. Armstrong went manual powered up and flew over the boulders and craters to a suitable landing site. Its interesting that the Jodrell Bank (who were only tracking for fun) data shows this.
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Did man land on the moon in 1969? 18 Jun 2013 11:18 #34

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
I tend to believe that the moon landings did occur because they were tracked by Jodrell Bank and you can view the data openly to this day. Contrast this to what occurred after 9/11, for example.

Theres loads of examples and information out there that shows how it was done.
Its very easy to con people to be honest as even today a hell of a lot of people have very little grounding in basic physics.

Ofc thats not to say that other so called conspiracy theories don't have some truth in them ;)
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Did man land on the moon in 1969? 18 Jun 2013 11:22 #35

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Gerald Thomas wrote:
On 11 when the LM flipped over neither Armstrong or Aldrin recognized a thing, the area was full of boulders and craters and not their landing site. The computer had flown them long because of data dropouts caused by overflow. Armstrong went manual powered up and flew over the boulders and craters to a suitable landing site. Its interesting that the Jodrell Bank (who were only tracking for fun) data shows this.
I don't know that much about it, I just cannot adequately explain how Jodrell Bank tracked it if it didn't happen. Overall, though, I think the space programme is pointless and has achieved very little of substance, and nothing for the average man or woman, and the only reason NASA exists is that it's effectively yet another military-industrial contractor.
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Did man land on the moon in 1969? 18 Jun 2013 11:33 #36

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
Gerald Thomas wrote:
On 11 when the LM flipped over neither Armstrong or Aldrin recognized a thing, the area was full of boulders and craters and not their landing site. The computer had flown them long because of data dropouts caused by overflow. Armstrong went manual powered up and flew over the boulders and craters to a suitable landing site. Its interesting that the Jodrell Bank (who were only tracking for fun) data shows this.
I don't know that much about it, I just cannot adequately explain how Jodrell Bank tracked it if it didn't happen. Overall, though, I think the space programme is pointless and has achieved very little of substance, and nothing for the average man or woman, and the only reason NASA exists is that it's effectively yet another military-industrial contractor.

Of course others tracked and listened as well, some amateurs.

As for benefits take a look at this page

spinoff.nasa.gov/spinfaq.htm
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Did man land on the moon in 1969? 18 Jun 2013 11:36 #37

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
Gerald Thomas wrote:
On 11 when the LM flipped over neither Armstrong or Aldrin recognized a thing, the area was full of boulders and craters and not their landing site. The computer had flown them long because of data dropouts caused by overflow. Armstrong went manual powered up and flew over the boulders and craters to a suitable landing site. Its interesting that the Jodrell Bank (who were only tracking for fun) data shows this.
I don't know that much about it, I just cannot adequately explain how Jodrell Bank tracked it if it didn't happen. Overall, though, I think the space programme is pointless and has achieved very little of substance, and nothing for the average man or woman, and the only reason NASA exists is that it's effectively yet another military-industrial contractor.

At last , found something to disagree with you on wub :D
I believe the space programme is very important indeed, not only does it push scientific research but it leaves the door open for mankind to get his sorry butt off this rock and squabbling over stupid petty issues, hopefully with a universe of resources available we can put money behind us...optimistic thinking but there ya go lol.
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Did man land on the moon in 1969? 18 Jun 2013 14:10 #38

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At last , found something to disagree with you on wub :D
I believe the space programme is very important indeed, not only does it push scientific research but it leaves the door open for mankind to get his sorry butt off this rock and squabbling over stupid petty issues, hopefully with a universe of resources available we can put money behind us...optimistic thinking but there ya go lol.
When I see a (wo)man walking on Mars, I might change my opinion! I was promised there were going to be hoverboards, flying cars, regular alien visitors, and spaceships that could bomb around at the speed of light by now. I'm a bit underwhelmed by the moon landings and some telescopes. The planetarium at Jodrell Bank is quite good, though.
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Did man land on the moon in 1969? 18 Jun 2013 14:17 #39

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I reckon they filmed it all the year before when they really went to the moon, protected them from having to report it as a failure if it didn't go well and kept them the edge in the propaganda war.

There you go, something to keep everyone happy in that theory no?

Faul was actually in charge of the mission then, sorted.
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wake_up_bomb wrote:
andyh wrote:
At last , found something to disagree with you on wub :D
I believe the space programme is very important indeed, not only does it push scientific research but it leaves the door open for mankind to get his sorry butt off this rock and squabbling over stupid petty issues, hopefully with a universe of resources available we can put money behind us...optimistic thinking but there ya go lol.
When I see a (wo)man walking on Mars, I might change my opinion! I was promised there were going to be hoverboards, flying cars, regular alien visitors, and spaceships that could bomb around at the speed of light by now. I'm a bit underwhelmed by the moon landings and some telescopes. The planetarium at Jodrell Bank is quite good, though.

They need these bits of paper called money you see to enable them to build this stuff so they can go and do it and its quite impossible to get these bits of paper without totally ruining all life on Earth. :D

lol basically :p
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