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Re: Clear the air 31 Dec 2012 21:24 #241

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Thing is apparently at the inquest the verdict concluded that all the Paparazzi were accounted for and not at the scene of the crash at the time of the crash Iirc.

@Wub It's not faith in human nature that makes me think as I do about Nirvana. It's real World experience of opposing bunches of cunts like the BNP on the streets. Nirvana, although he was lured into the EDL for a time is absolutely nothing like the dyed in the cloth racists. He is one of those that those wankers exploit. They play on people like him's fears and pull them in. By the time he came here he'd already left the EDL...He was I suppose in that regard a 'floating voter'. Probably back in the EDL now though eh :dunno:

I called RA out for racism t'other day. Do I think he is a dyed in the cloth hardcore racist? Absolutely not. I think he just doesn't get that some of the things he thinks are racist...There's a big difference imo. Massive difference in fact. I don't want to be a part of helping the BNP or the KKK make up some numbers...
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I called RA out for racism t'other day. Do I think he is a dyed in the cloth hardcore racist? Absolutely not. I think he just doesn't get that some of the things he thinks are racist...

Well when you say something like that you should just be clear about it so we can work that out.
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Have you investigated the chagos islanders and what happened to them?
You should find some mutual shame there both if you are a Brit or you are an American.

Well RA? :)

Its important, I brought this example up as being especially important for you to value the connection between UK and US.

I'm curious :)
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Re: Clear the air 31 Dec 2012 21:41 #244

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Aye DG, I'm not suggesting they shouldn't have been banned for their actions. On the contrary, they fully deserved it.

My point in the post you quoted is that RA has been skirting a similar hole. All that sceptre shit could quite rightly be taken as some fucked up Britophobic shit. And yet he's got away with it for what seems like eternity now.

Hopefully, sket saying what she has will prompt him to quit it.

"Britophobic".... :killinme: Dubs that's the most ridiculous thing i have ever read on here...

I thought somebody said the Royals are German?

I hope the best for the British and wan't them to one day be free of the Sceptre.

Dubs why do yourself and others keep bringing this up if it's something you guys can't handle talking about?

We're OK with it, its just that there is more to this than just the royal family.
There is also the entity called 'the crown' it is complex.
Then there's the royal prerogative and the privy council and what happened to the chagos islanders (see john pilger stealing a nation video)

We accept the royal family are a bunch of highly paid dole scroungers who probably killed Diana.
We accept they have done and do indeed do a lot of bad things but what we do not want to hear is that they are solely responsible for everything. Your own US presidents are related to them (this is fact btw).

I would say the consensus 'conspiracy' view on here is that a large bunch of rich people collude out of their own common interest to maintain the status quo.
I think most people would agree on that and would also agree that the royal family are a part of it, but not the whole.



Does that make sense?

I don't think they caused Diana's demise, I can explain some, using physics.

As a photographer for many years and a seasoned rider of fast bikes half my life, I think it was a tragic accident just waiting to happen. The big bikes many of the press ride are Ferrari beaters, the Merc they were in a 3.6 litre are sluggish in comparison.

The equipment the press use are state of the art, the Metz flasguns they often use are tremendously powerful, I think a pillion rider, who often sit backwards let rip with one of these in front of the driver temporary blinding him, thus creating a situation where the driver was not seeing where he was going.

The press are maniacs for a shot to make money, trying to miss what are vespa flitting around carelessly without regard for safety, would not be easy for the driver, who's reactions would be restricted under the influence, where periferal vision diminishes the more alcohol is in the system.

Also at night the central are of the eye sporting 6-7 million cones for colour vision is impared, where black and white sensitivity is detected by PC's called, Rod, these number around 120 million, a direct hot spot to the cones would be enough to blind anyone for several seconds, not even tinted windows or shades would stop the light ball released.

hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/vision/rodcone.html

To witness this phenomenon yourself, the next time you go out at night, quickly go outside so your eyes have'nt has time to aclimatize, and look directly ahead of you, then turn your head, so your eyes are using the periferal areas of the retina and you will see things more clearly in black and white, which is now using infitly more PC's, this technique is used to maximise your night vision.

As far as the Royals are concerned, they entities who are relitevly unable to fend for themeselves like ordinary people can, and I would gladly teach their boys to make things for free, to hate any single person is hating yourself in my book.

The spice is being controlled by unknowns believe me, the Royals are innert puppets in reality.

The problem is that the paparazzi were left far behind as evidenced in the investigation, diana herself predicted her death on tape as being in a car crash and gave the reason for it, the ambulance arrived on scene very slowly - 40 mins and then arsed about a long time before taking her to hospital.


The court case returned a verdict of unlawful killing.

The report does'nt know how quickly in traffic the bikes would home in on that car H, other things missed were why they were not belted up.
I have worked on and driven this model, if you don't click in, it is jigh on impossible to do so after your in motion, especially at speed, due to the motion bobbs coming into gear, the belts locks as you pull on it.
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andyh wrote:
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Have you investigated the chagos islanders and what happened to them?
You should find some mutual shame there both if you are a Brit or you are an American.

Well RA? :)

Its important, I brought this example up as being especially important for you to value the connection between UK and US.

I'm curious :)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagossians

^Should i just read this andy?
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andyh wrote:
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Aye DG, I'm not suggesting they shouldn't have been banned for their actions. On the contrary, they fully deserved it.

My point in the post you quoted is that RA has been skirting a similar hole. All that sceptre shit could quite rightly be taken as some fucked up Britophobic shit. And yet he's got away with it for what seems like eternity now.

Hopefully, sket saying what she has will prompt him to quit it.

"Britophobic".... :killinme: Dubs that's the most ridiculous thing i have ever read on here...

I thought somebody said the Royals are German?

I hope the best for the British and wan't them to one day be free of the Sceptre.

Dubs why do yourself and others keep bringing this up if it's something you guys can't handle talking about?

We're OK with it, its just that there is more to this than just the royal family.
There is also the entity called 'the crown' it is complex.
Then there's the royal prerogative and the privy council and what happened to the chagos islanders (see john pilger stealing a nation video)

We accept the royal family are a bunch of highly paid dole scroungers who probably killed Diana.
We accept they have done and do indeed do a lot of bad things but what we do not want to hear is that they are solely responsible for everything. Your own US presidents are related to them (this is fact btw).

I would say the consensus 'conspiracy' view on here is that a large bunch of rich people collude out of their own common interest to maintain the status quo.
I think most people would agree on that and would also agree that the royal family are a part of it, but not the whole.



Does that make sense?

I don't think they caused Diana's demise, I can explain some, using physics.

As a photographer for many years and a seasoned rider of fast bikes half my life, I think it was a tragic accident just waiting to happen. The big bikes many of the press ride are Ferrari beaters, the Merc they were in a 3.6 litre are sluggish in comparison.

The equipment the press use are state of the art, the Metz flasguns they often use are tremendously powerful, I think a pillion rider, who often sit backwards let rip with one of these in front of the driver temporary blinding him, thus creating a situation where the driver was not seeing where he was going.

The press are maniacs for a shot to make money, trying to miss what are vespa flitting around carelessly without regard for safety, would not be easy for the driver, who's reactions would be restricted under the influence, where periferal vision diminishes the more alcohol is in the system.

Also at night the central are of the eye sporting 6-7 million cones for colour vision is impared, where black and white sensitivity is detected by PC's called, Rod, these number around 120 million, a direct hot spot to the cones would be enough to blind anyone for several seconds, not even tinted windows or shades would stop the light ball released.

hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/vision/rodcone.html

To witness this phenomenon yourself, the next time you go out at night, quickly go outside so your eyes have'nt has time to aclimatize, and look directly ahead of you, then turn your head, so your eyes are using the periferal areas of the retina and you will see things more clearly in black and white, which is now using infitly more PC's, this technique is used to maximise your night vision.

As far as the Royals are concerned, they entities who are relitevly unable to fend for themeselves like ordinary people can, and I would gladly teach their boys to make things for free, to hate any single person is hating yourself in my book.

The spice is being controlled by unknowns believe me, the Royals are innert puppets in reality.

The problem is that the paparazzi were left far behind as evidenced in the investigation, diana herself predicted her death on tape as being in a car crash and gave the reason for it, the ambulance arrived on scene very slowly - 40 mins and then arsed about a long time before taking her to hospital.


The court case returned a verdict of unlawful killing.

The report does'nt know how quickly in traffic the bikes would home in on that car H, other things missed were why they were not belted up.
I have worked on and driven this model, if you don't click in, it is jigh on impossible to do so after your in motion, especially at speed, due to the motion bobbs coming into gear, the belts locks as you pull on it.

Yep, the paparazzi were not there though App :)

So someone else was there, specifically a white fiat.
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OK, Dub, well I generally avoid racist or bigoted people so I don't have that much experience of them. This was jolly difficult where I grew up, I assure you! All I am really saying to you is that if you have racialist / bigoted views, and you come on to a site that you know is full of people that revile those views, and you express them...you can expect to get a reaction. I understand what you're saying about driving people back into the hands of groups that are not healthy in outlook, and it makes sense. But equally people are not likely to sit and tolerate stuff that is the total opposite of the ethos of the site. I totally agree with you that he should not have been mocked. But I would still consider that relatively tolerant compared to the reception he might get on some forums. I can see both sides of the argument is all.
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And according to that Keith Allen film her seat-belt was 'faulty'.
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I called RA out for racism t'other day. Do I think he is a dyed in the cloth hardcore racist? Absolutely not. I think he just doesn't get that some of the things he thinks are racist...

Well when you say something like that you should just be clear about it so we can work that out.

Fair shout RA and I probably should have qualified my comment at the time. Sorry I didn't.
FTR then I do not think that your views in any way are in line with Neo Nazis, the KKK, the BNP or anything like them.
My view is that perhaps as a result of culture, you don't quite get that saying things like Obama is an African president are in fact racist. Racist in the sense that it is referring to a distinction that is illusory and is in fact a false statement. I hope that helps a bit for you to understand what I meant.
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Have you investigated the chagos islanders and what happened to them?
You should find some mutual shame there both if you are a Brit or you are an American.

Well RA? :)

Its important, I brought this example up as being especially important for you to value the connection between UK and US.

I'm curious :)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagossians

^Should i just read this andy?

Nah its not good enough.
This will take an hour or so, I'll give you some time to watch it but its very eye opening, both the royal family and the US govt were involved.



There are some important things to keep in mind.
They were British Overseas Citizens and as such entitled to British passports but watch what happened...they literally had their citizenship stolen not only that but what they did to their pets and how they chucked them on boats and got rid of them.
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Give this a view RA.

EDIT: Haha Jinxed Andy


@Wub Fair comment up there. I've stated my view and I don't think there's anything more for me to say on the Nirvana subject now.
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Re: Clear the air 31 Dec 2012 21:57 #252

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andyh wrote:
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andyh wrote:
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Aye DG, I'm not suggesting they shouldn't have been banned for their actions. On the contrary, they fully deserved it.

My point in the post you quoted is that RA has been skirting a similar hole. All that sceptre shit could quite rightly be taken as some fucked up Britophobic shit. And yet he's got away with it for what seems like eternity now.

Hopefully, sket saying what she has will prompt him to quit it.

"Britophobic".... :killinme: Dubs that's the most ridiculous thing i have ever read on here...

I thought somebody said the Royals are German?

I hope the best for the British and wan't them to one day be free of the Sceptre.

Dubs why do yourself and others keep bringing this up if it's something you guys can't handle talking about?

We're OK with it, its just that there is more to this than just the royal family.
There is also the entity called 'the crown' it is complex.
Then there's the royal prerogative and the privy council and what happened to the chagos islanders (see john pilger stealing a nation video)

We accept the royal family are a bunch of highly paid dole scroungers who probably killed Diana.
We accept they have done and do indeed do a lot of bad things but what we do not want to hear is that they are solely responsible for everything. Your own US presidents are related to them (this is fact btw).

I would say the consensus 'conspiracy' view on here is that a large bunch of rich people collude out of their own common interest to maintain the status quo.
I think most people would agree on that and would also agree that the royal family are a part of it, but not the whole.



Does that make sense?

I don't think they caused Diana's demise, I can explain some, using physics.

As a photographer for many years and a seasoned rider of fast bikes half my life, I think it was a tragic accident just waiting to happen. The big bikes many of the press ride are Ferrari beaters, the Merc they were in a 3.6 litre are sluggish in comparison.

The equipment the press use are state of the art, the Metz flasguns they often use are tremendously powerful, I think a pillion rider, who often sit backwards let rip with one of these in front of the driver temporary blinding him, thus creating a situation where the driver was not seeing where he was going.

The press are maniacs for a shot to make money, trying to miss what are vespa flitting around carelessly without regard for safety, would not be easy for the driver, who's reactions would be restricted under the influence, where periferal vision diminishes the more alcohol is in the system.

Also at night the central are of the eye sporting 6-7 million cones for colour vision is impared, where black and white sensitivity is detected by PC's called, Rod, these number around 120 million, a direct hot spot to the cones would be enough to blind anyone for several seconds, not even tinted windows or shades would stop the light ball released.

hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/vision/rodcone.html

To witness this phenomenon yourself, the next time you go out at night, quickly go outside so your eyes have'nt has time to aclimatize, and look directly ahead of you, then turn your head, so your eyes are using the periferal areas of the retina and you will see things more clearly in black and white, which is now using infitly more PC's, this technique is used to maximise your night vision.

As far as the Royals are concerned, they entities who are relitevly unable to fend for themeselves like ordinary people can, and I would gladly teach their boys to make things for free, to hate any single person is hating yourself in my book.

The spice is being controlled by unknowns believe me, the Royals are innert puppets in reality.

The problem is that the paparazzi were left far behind as evidenced in the investigation, diana herself predicted her death on tape as being in a car crash and gave the reason for it, the ambulance arrived on scene very slowly - 40 mins and then arsed about a long time before taking her to hospital.


The court case returned a verdict of unlawful killing.

The report does'nt know how quickly in traffic the bikes would home in on that car H, other things missed were why they were not belted up.
I have worked on and driven this model, if you don't click in, it is jigh on impossible to do so after your in motion, especially at speed, due to the motion bobbs coming into gear, the belts locks as you pull on it.

Yep, the paparazzi were not there though App :)

So someone else was there, specifically a white fiat.

The driver of the white car was also a pro photographer, who was found dead/suicide later, he also had the gear to do the eye damage, the bike riders also had their gear taken away later. The bikes I believe were involved, no mater what the report said.
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I called RA out for racism t'other day. Do I think he is a dyed in the cloth hardcore racist? Absolutely not. I think he just doesn't get that some of the things he thinks are racist...

Well when you say something like that you should just be clear about it so we can work that out.

Fair shout RA and I probably should have qualified my comment at the time. Sorry I didn't.
FTR then I do not think that your views in any way are in line with Neo Nazis, the KKK, the BNP or anything like them.
My view is that perhaps as a result of culture, you don't quite get that saying things like Obama is an African president are in fact racist. Racist in the sense that it is referring to a distinction that is illusory and is in fact a false statement. I hope that helps a bit for you to understand what I meant.

You said the same thing about JFK being an Irish president and i honestly did not understand you.

Those guys are like diamonds in the rough to the blacks and Irish in America.

Having that come across racist was not my intention.
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nirvana with the Israeli flag was just foolish?

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Its similar in its own way to psychopathy, he is missing some neuron connections that allow him to come to those realizations because the pathways are ingrained.
There's a lot to be said for this, I think this has a huge impact upon how we turn out in many areas both emotionally and intellectually. Also the other unused neural connections become defunct, essentially.

Yep, I'd like to give another example of this so called 'intelligence'.

It would see this video as being serious-



Most people here would be on the floor laughing within a minute and yet...theres a few who would take this guy seriously.
I've deliberately picked this guy as he's the flip version of the white paranoid android.

its soooo obvious he's having a laugh and he even reinforces it later in the video but its amazing to see how many actually take the guy seriously- check out the comments, LOL! :D
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Aye DG, I'm not suggesting they shouldn't have been banned for their actions. On the contrary, they fully deserved it.

My point in the post you quoted is that RA has been skirting a similar hole. All that sceptre shit could quite rightly be taken as some fucked up Britophobic shit. And yet he's got away with it for what seems like eternity now.

Hopefully, sket saying what she has will prompt him to quit it.

"Britophobic".... :killinme: Dubs that's the most ridiculous thing i have ever read on here...

I thought somebody said the Royals are German?

I hope the best for the British and wan't them to one day be free of the Sceptre.

Dubs why do yourself and others keep bringing this up if it's something you guys can't handle talking about?

We're OK with it, its just that there is more to this than just the royal family.
There is also the entity called 'the crown' it is complex.
Then there's the royal prerogative and the privy council and what happened to the chagos islanders (see john pilger stealing a nation video)

We accept the royal family are a bunch of highly paid dole scroungers who probably killed Diana.
We accept they have done and do indeed do a lot of bad things but what we do not want to hear is that they are solely responsible for everything. Your own US presidents are related to them (this is fact btw).

I would say the consensus 'conspiracy' view on here is that a large bunch of rich people collude out of their own common interest to maintain the status quo.
I think most people would agree on that and would also agree that the royal family are a part of it, but not the whole.



Does that make sense?

I don't think they caused Diana's demise, I can explain some, using physics.

As a photographer for many years and a seasoned rider of fast bikes half my life, I think it was a tragic accident just waiting to happen. The big bikes many of the press ride are Ferrari beaters, the Merc they were in a 3.6 litre are sluggish in comparison.

The equipment the press use are state of the art, the Metz flasguns they often use are tremendously powerful, I think a pillion rider, who often sit backwards let rip with one of these in front of the driver temporary blinding him, thus creating a situation where the driver was not seeing where he was going.

The press are maniacs for a shot to make money, trying to miss what are vespa flitting around carelessly without regard for safety, would not be easy for the driver, who's reactions would be restricted under the influence, where periferal vision diminishes the more alcohol is in the system.

Also at night the central are of the eye sporting 6-7 million cones for colour vision is impared, where black and white sensitivity is detected by PC's called, Rod, these number around 120 million, a direct hot spot to the cones would be enough to blind anyone for several seconds, not even tinted windows or shades would stop the light ball released.

hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/vision/rodcone.html

To witness this phenomenon yourself, the next time you go out at night, quickly go outside so your eyes have'nt has time to aclimatize, and look directly ahead of you, then turn your head, so your eyes are using the periferal areas of the retina and you will see things more clearly in black and white, which is now using infitly more PC's, this technique is used to maximise your night vision.

As far as the Royals are concerned, they entities who are relitevly unable to fend for themeselves like ordinary people can, and I would gladly teach their boys to make things for free, to hate any single person is hating yourself in my book.

The spice is being controlled by unknowns believe me, the Royals are innert puppets in reality.

The problem is that the paparazzi were left far behind as evidenced in the investigation, diana herself predicted her death on tape as being in a car crash and gave the reason for it, the ambulance arrived on scene very slowly - 40 mins and then arsed about a long time before taking her to hospital.


The court case returned a verdict of unlawful killing.

The report does'nt know how quickly in traffic the bikes would home in on that car H, other things missed were why they were not belted up.
I have worked on and driven this model, if you don't click in, it is jigh on impossible to do so after your in motion, especially at speed, due to the motion bobbs coming into gear, the belts locks as you pull on it.

Yep, the paparazzi were not there though App :)

So someone else was there, specifically a white fiat.

The driver of the white car was also a pro photographer, who was found dead/suicide later, he also had the gear to do the eye damage, the bike riders also had their gear taken away later. The bikes I believe were involved, no mater what the report said.

So if Diana predicted her death so accurately I guess the only question to ask is who the guy in the white panda was working for,
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psketti i understand what Andy & WUB are saying about the Royals we are clear on that.

That's fine with me but in defense of Feather and I-baster i would like to ask that Americans get treated better.

The Revolutionary War ended 230 years ago and i'm ready to call for a truce on on behalf of the USA.

So just calm down baby and take your finger of that button we can work this out.

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I would like to add that I am English even though in most discussions on here I might as well be American. I am not sure I followed all the royal fuss. I always stress to Americans how much I dislike the monarchy when it comes up. I think there is a slight divide in that American issues are not identical if you view them from outside of America and that probably goes for any country including England. I spent 30 years in England but have not been there lately. So I have some insight into England. I think the issue I saw was that s point was made about Obama and then the royals were used to counter. It seems a fair response. From time to time an American will ask me why we put up with the royals and I counter with the president. Its just cultural I guess.
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Re: Clear the air 31 Dec 2012 22:09 #258

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As far as the Irish thing goes there are plenty of American born people who consider themselves Irish and black Americans who consider themselves African. I think it is something rather unique to a country that has a messed up history like USA.
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psketti i understand what Andy & WUB are saying about the Royals we are clear on that.

That's fine with me but in defense of Feather and I-baster i would like to ask that Americans get treated better.

The Revolutionary War ended 230 years ago and i'm ready to call for a truce on on behalf of the USA.

So just calm down baby and take your finger of that button we can work this out.

:usa: :hug: :uk:


I would like to add that I am English even though in most discussions on here I might as well be American. I am not sure I followed all the royal fuss. I always stress to Americans how much I dislike the monarchy when it comes up. I think there is a slight divide in that American issues are not identical if you view them from outside of America and that probably goes for any country including England. I spent 30 years in England but have not been there lately. So I have some insight into England. I think the issue I saw was that s point was made about Obama and then the royals were used to counter. It seems a fair response. From time to time an American will ask me why we put up with the royals and I counter with the president. Its just cultural I guess.

Its like this...from personal first hand experience, the Brits detest the monarchy more than the Irish.

Some people may have a WTF moment with that piece of info but AFAIK it is true.

There are towards 70 million ppl in the UK and 4 million in Ireland at a stretch. What you see on TV and what actually happens in reality can be a very different story.
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As far as the Irish thing goes there are plenty of American born people who consider themselves Irish and black Americans who consider themselves African. I think it is something rather unique to a country that has a messed up history like USA.

People in the UK are not aware of that so they don't understand me when i say these things.
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