psketti wrote:
Fair shout to you for that post It's not about liking everyone or agreeing with them, it's about being aware that what we say and do does affect others. My hands are up too. I realise that I'm not without fault. I am trying to become a better person and a better community member. This is all I'm asking everyone to think about really.

dubmeup wrote:
Sod was banned for making unacceptable racist remarks....quite rightly a one strike and you're out principle imo.

As for those other clowns, you mean Toby and his sidekick right? They were just damage....professional trolls. We did tolerate them for quite a while however, gave them every reasonable chance. Posting my name and address on the forum was the final straw tho.

Aye DG, I'm not suggesting they shouldn't have been banned for their actions. On the contrary, they fully deserved it.

Yeah Toby did pollute the place for a few days, till that night in chat when the real story unfolded. I think the SZ did as you say, give him and his goons some slack whilst their motives were unconfirmed. That's to the SZ's credit.

My point in the post you quoted is that RA has been skirting a similar hole. All that sceptre shit could quite rightly be taken as some fucked up Britophobic shit. And yet he's got away with it for what seems like eternity now.

Hopefully, sket saying what she has will prompt him to quit it.

dubmeup wrote: He's had his final warning in this thread, so I think that's fair enough.

I seem to have missed this Toby character, unfortunately.

I guess the avatar would be a sign of good will and intent eh RA?

I don't know if I'm glad I started this thread or not now!

People leaving telling other people not to leave and no-one left wasn't quite what I had in mind for the thread but...no-one left.

Has any air been cleared?

Oh and, on my part, I'll never be nice to racists.

oioioi wrote: Mmmm, well I guess that refers to my posts about Nirvana. I also guess that means you don't get what I said.

dubmeup wrote:
Well regardless of why he left I think this forum benefits from having different views represented. To me the important thing is that we don't end up as a forum where only one view is heard or accepted. The point to me of a forum is to discuss subjects from different viewpoints. I am genuinely interested to read what people here think even if I disagree. So even if a person has an offensive view I think we should be willing to discuss it with in a respectful manner as long as they are also respectful. I really don't know who we lost from who is just busy so not sure how membership stands but it would be nice, in my view, if we could add say a dozen active people with broadly different views on various topics. It would be interesting. To me though at this point numbers are a bigger issue Really as I think with the size of membership right now all problems seem larger.

oioioi wrote:
I'm not sure about feather :/

Some air has been cleared pheo for starters and its been good

EDIT: And yeah I'll always be fervent with the 'cutters' as I prefer to call them.

i-baster wrote:
Good post, it has to be more than black or white views though.
Eg I'm a libertarian therefore I'm automatically an extreme ayn rand tory, anyone who knows me well enough knows I'm actually libertarian centrist. Extreme libertarian centrist

oioioi wrote:
I can't say I blame you for that but I think there are ways to address such issues respectfully(on both sides) and whilst "fuck off" might be the obvious response to a racist I don't think anybody in history has responded to that kind of approach. You don't see many immigrants "going home" either. I think that it is tough to get through to racists but perhaps you can at least expose them to some other views and facts etc. After all exposure to something you fear is the best way to over come your fear.

Gilly wrote:
Who made Feather mad?

Feather don't leave your one of the best people here....

I mean that...

i-baster wrote:
I'm happy to argue the toss with them(like anyone needed telling that!), just not 'nicely'.

dubmeup wrote:
I got it.

No Pasaran.

i-baster wrote:
oi is specifically referring to the exact same nuts who were on DIF who came over here and continued to ignore reason.
Despite the NWO and 'globalism' I still support the principle of a world at peace without borders or nation states or differences.
But a NWO that comes from the people not from govt. All true anarchists see the same in that respect as I do.

dubmeup wrote:
"Britophobic".... Dubs that's the most ridiculous thing i have ever read on here...

I thought somebody said the Royals are German?

I hope the best for the British and wan't them to one day be free of the Sceptre.

Dubs why do yourself and others keep bringing this up if it's something you guys can't handle talking about?

dubmeup wrote:
See that's where the thin line is... I get why he's said that and why it's something he feels strongly enough about to not budge on. It's all very well being respectful and considerate to other peoples feelings but there are just some things that don't deserve that respect to begin with.

.......... wrote:
Has ANY of this fucking thread sunk in for you or what?

.......... wrote:
We're OK with it, its just that there is more to this than just the royal family.
There is also the entity called 'the crown' it is complex.
Then there's the royal prerogative and the privy council and what happened to the chagos islanders (see john pilger stealing a nation video)

We accept the royal family are a bunch of highly paid dole scroungers who probably killed Diana.
We accept they have done and do indeed do a lot of bad things but what we do not want to hear is that they are solely responsible for everything. Your own US presidents are related to them (this is fact btw).

I would say the consensus 'conspiracy' view on here is that a large bunch of rich people collude out of their own common interest to maintain the status quo.
I think most people would agree on that and would also agree that the royal family are a part of it, but not the whole.

Does that make sense?

I can see the racism thing from both sides. I can see why some find racism intolerable and feel it should be condemned, and why another valid possible approach is to try to show someone the error of their ways and have faith that they can see sense.

From my personal experience, neither works! I have tried, for my sins, to reason with Bendoon. It's a hopeless task. And KOTG. Equally hopeless. There worst thing about the latter case is that he is actually an intelligent person, who does have some interesting ideas, which makes it worse and more frustrating that he really has gone a very long way over to the dark side.

But my way to deal with them on the DIF was simply to ignore them, but if I see anyone posting divisive racist or racialist material on here then I will warn them not to. I did so with Nirvana when I saw him do it, and I don't consider that to be unfair.

Regarding the Royal family, I have pointed out about five times now that I wrote this article:

wideshut.co.uk/do-we-need-the-saxe-coburg-gotha-royal-family/

And also that there is not one British person on here, either resident or ex-pat, that is in favour of the Royal family as far as I am aware. How many more times does this need this to be pointed out?