andyh wrote:
It better or I'll be pushing that fucking button myself!

andyh wrote:
OK i understand, so are the Royals German?

Think you better try and take on board whats being said here RA.

wake_up_bomb wrote:
For the first time ever (I think) I'm gonna disagree with you WUB.
KOTG is not intelligent, he's absofeckinglutely batshit insane.

It harks back to the principle I mentioned in a separate thread to dogsmilk about what I view 'intelligent' to be, which is capable of unemotionally data gathering and applying the full cognitive process.

Anyone who does not do this is not what I consider to be 'intelligent'.

Thats my own interpretation of the world though and it ties in with why IQ tests IMHO do not test intelligence, nor for that matter is it ever possible to test such a thing. I think I can only say that an intelligent being can recognise another one over time and experience.

I personally see yourself as being of incredible intelligence, you're willing to put aside your own bias and go into heavy research and dissemination of information to then be able to extrapolate it to give projected scenarios of likelihood given that input.

Thats what intelligence does basically, it 'processes' data

Some people have varying types of intelligence, gilly and sketts are of incredible emotional intelligence but then again females have always been good at that

Noseymutegirl is someone who I see has very high levels of creative intelligence and ability to think outside the box. Again female but I think its a trait...women are right brain dominant people IMHO.

Us men are usually good at deep thinking, logical process, spatial awareness and info gathering.

People who can balance both aspects of cognitive process are the best thinkers of all but they're bloody rare
IMHO you have to force yourself to do it over and over again until you can never change! ;p

.......... wrote:
Their immediate lineage is indeed German, its why they changed name to Windsor.
However, their bloodline extends back to Charlemagne, perhaps even further back.
Supposedly the coronation stone (stone of scone as some call it) is literally jacobs pillowstone, hence why the union of jacob..union jack.

diamondgeezer wrote:
I just wan't to make it clear i have no problems with the British DG.

I'm fine with not bringing up the Royals around here if it would make people happier at SZ.

The Royals are not worth getting banned over for whatever that is worth.

.......... wrote:
No, you can bring them up if you like, so long its of important relevance or its done in an intelligent manner.
Simply stating 'are you free of the royal sceptre yet?' type goading doesn't site well with ppl, you may aswell ask if we are free of the govt yet

For example, the royal privy council and the chagos islanders are a prime example- this is now a US base by the way Diego Garcia....so just who orchestrated that? The royals or the US govt?

Do you know about the chagos islanders?

psketti wrote:
psketti i understand what Andy & WUB are saying about the Royals we are clear on that.

That's fine with me but in defense of Feather and I-baster i would like to ask that Americans get treated better.

The Revolutionary War ended 230 years ago and i'm ready to call for a truce on on behalf of the USA.

So just calm down baby and take your finger of that button we can work this out.

andyh wrote: I thought you might! When I say 'intelligent', I just meant that he's not intellectually challenged. Without meaning to be rude, I went to school with people who will never understand anything deep, I mean there is just no chance, they're just not bright enough. I don't mean that as an insult, it's just a fact of life. I can't paint, draw, dance, sing, etc. I don't think that applies to KOTG. He is capable of understanding quite complex material, he's just gone off in a very tawdry direction. It may be, as you say, because there is a lack of balance between creative and methodical thought. It could be for other reasons as well. But he has the capability to understand things if he were willing to invest enough effort into doing so. There are others who just couldn't. It probably would be different for them if they'd been raised differently, of course environmental factors play a huge role.
.......... wrote: I don't think there is one person on the forum who wants anything but good things to happen to the American people.

I think to even consider Nirvana in the same breath as people like Bendoon, ES (who was invited by someone and joined the first SZ), tintyint and KOTG is laughable. Yes Nirvana's views on Islam in his area were fekked up, I'm not supporting them or justifying them or anything like it. I do feel though that in him being ridiculed as he was here what actually happened was that a possible chance of him realising his views were unfounded on the subject was squashed. That doesn't sit well with me. If his fears/views were countered with reasoned thought he may have changed his mind in time We'll never know now will we because people insisted on just calling him a daft racist etc.
Racism is shite. That's undeniable.
Hardcore/active racists must be opposed, physically if necessary.
Confused 'racists' like Nirvana would be better approached with compassion, empathy and a spirit of help.

We talked in the empathy thread of how society is at fault when any 'potential' psycho is turned psycho by a lack of empathy on society's part.....But yet this community effectively pushed Nirvana further into his misguided views rather than help him see they are just wrong....Clear enough?

wake_up_bomb wrote:
Indeed, environment = input.
He hasn't had enough in the way of input for whatever reason so the output is fucked.
Garbage in = Garbage out.

There is plenty of info available though and he has been presented with it and refused point blank to address it hasn't he?

This is why I think he is insane, he refuses to process information that he has been given because it conflicts with his belief set value system that is all important for his cognitive function...deep breath...LOL!

Its similar in its own way to psychopathy, he is missing some neuron connections that allow him to come to those realizations because the pathways are ingrained.

Thats my psych evaluation 2p anyway

.......... wrote:
I don't think anyone here has a problem with you bringing the royals up for discussion as a topic per se, its the way you're doing it thats winding folk up.

Meh, I don't think you're a bad lad and wouldn't like to see you go, so just a word to the wise, psketti means it mate.

.......... wrote:
As WUB says I only want whats best for the americans too.
I don't see you guys as being separate from us in the UK/Ireland anymore than I see Iranians or Syrians being separate, I see us all as one.
I see us all as suffering under the same system and being played by divide and conquer techniques.

Have you investigated the chagos islanders and what happened to them?
You should find some mutual shame there both if you are a Brit or you are an American.

andyh wrote: There's a lot to be said for this, I think this has a huge impact upon how we turn out in many areas both emotionally and intellectually. Also the other unused neural connections become defunct, essentially.

@dub...I do agree with what you're saying. I also understand why his perspective and views provoke strong feelings in others because they provoke strong feelings in me. It goes against everything I believe in, and I know it goes against everything that you believe in. This is why I just decided to ignore anyone that was posting racist / racialist material on the DIF. I think you are being highly optimistic if you think he could have been brought round to a true enlightenment on the subject by merely rational argument, I think it would take some form of personal experience as in the film "American History X". But I admire your faith in human nature. I do agree with you that people shouldn't have been rude to him, but I think you also have to understand that such views provoke strong feelings particularly in this forum of all places.

psketti & diamondgeezer just to address you both specifically as founders of Sanctum Zone.

If i was sitting on a couch with the two of you smoking weed you both would find me delightful and intriguing.

I already know that novum likes me....

andyh wrote:
Well RA?

Its important, I brought this example up as being especially important for you to value the connection between UK and US.

andyh wrote:
I don't think they caused Diana's demise, I can explain some, using physics.

As a photographer for many years and a seasoned rider of fast bikes half my life, I think it was a tragic accident just waiting to happen. The big bikes many of the press ride are Ferrari beaters, the Merc they were in a 3.6 litre are sluggish in comparison.

The equipment the press use are state of the art, the Metz flasguns they often use are tremendously powerful, I think a pillion rider, who often sit backwards let rip with one of these in front of the driver temporary blinding him, thus creating a situation where the driver was not seeing where he was going.

The press are maniacs for a shot to make money, trying to miss what are vespa flitting around carelessly without regard for safety, would not be easy for the driver, who's reactions would be restricted under the influence, where periferal vision diminishes the more alcohol is in the system.

Also at night the central are of the eye sporting 6-7 million cones for colour vision is impared, where black and white sensitivity is detected by PC's called, Rod, these number around 120 million, a direct hot spot to the cones/centre would be enough to blind anyone for several seconds, not even tinted windows or shades would stop the light ball released.

hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/vision/rodcone.html

To witness this phenomenon yourself, the next time you go out at night, quickly go outside so your eyes have'nt has time to aclimatize, and look directly ahead of you, then turn your head, so your eyes are using the periferal areas of the retina and you will see things more clearly in black and white, which is now using infitly more PC's, this technique is used to maximise your night vision.

As far as the Royals are concerned, they entities who are relitevly unable to fend for themeselves like ordinary people can, and I would gladly teach their boys to make things for free, to hate any single person is hating yourself in my book.

The spice is being controlled by unknowns believe me, the Royals are innert puppets in reality.

.......... wrote:
I don't dislike you and personally don't have a problem with your posts.

If people hate you there's nothing you can do, just be who you are, but if you want to remain here RA you may want to heed psketti's words

The Apprentice wrote:
The problem is that the paparazzi were left far behind as evidenced in the investigation, diana herself predicted her death on tape as being in a car crash and gave the reason for it, the ambulance arrived on scene very slowly - 40 mins and then arsed about a long time before taking her to hospital.
The court case returned a verdict of unlawful killing.