Guevarista wrote:
humanityplus.org/

2 seconds google search.

right I can do that i'm not a goldfish andyh, any thoughts?

Guevarista wrote:
They basically want to extend and augment life.
We've already been doing just that for ages, I guess its about some red lines that people don't want to cross.
The red line IMHO is connecting the brain directly to computers, at that point we will no longer be human.

The ultimate goal of transhumanism would be to lose the biological body altogether.

think in the future it will be transhuman. being able to die would be a scary concept to immortals. will they make heaven or hell?

To my mind I doubt its possible to completely replace the brain.
Transhumanists basically believe that any complicated enough a set of electrical signals somehow becomes self aware or that by slowly augmenting the brain with electronics will lead to electronics advanced enough to become aware.

They believe that cell death and birth always goes on but the soul remains and that all they have to do is move across the information in the form of similar eletcrical 'cells' so to speak and the person will not notice the transition :/

It doesn't sit well with me tbh, I don't think its possible to move the soul.

andyh wrote: So what do you do?

batou wrote: I think they're already getting slightly ahead of themselves.

Guevarista wrote:
There's nothing to be done, if people want to partake in it then thats their right.
As long as I have the right not to partake in it then I'm happy enough with it all.

yeah I kinda feel the same, it would be interesting to speak to someone who is pro-transhumanism though see what they base their ideas on, I'm sure people like ourselves will always have the right to not have enough money to afford Bionic Augmentation

Guevarista wrote:
Thats very true and why I see a two tier humanity emerging.
Those with implants and those without. By implants I mean perhaps brain augmentation rather than just bionics such as limb replacement etc.

IMO two tier humanity is here it has been for a while already, transhumanism is built on shaky foundations to say the least.

Guevarista wrote:
If you count rich vs poor yep.

What I meant was radically different people, ie ones who have 10x the strength and 10x the brainpower and the rest who will appear like apes in comparison. A cyborg like race with gattaca style DNA class differentiation instead of monetary.

andyh wrote:
That's kinda wild to be honest, but maybe...who knows...

Once peoples brains get hooked up to computers will that include all past DNA and Ancestry?

.......... wrote:
I would say that perhaps joe average will get access to filtered and controlled information, only the upper class would get uncensored information.

The lower classes would be very restricted if augmented at all, the middle slightly censured but certain of their 'truth' because they will have instant access to vast amounts of information and the upper class will retain overall control of the human race by utilizing millions of brownshirts who are convinced of the 'truth' given to them.

DNA as such won't come into it until later with genetic modifications which will result in further stratification of social class, just like on gattaca imho. Designer babies born with both enhanced DNA and also cyborg implants...

.......... wrote: I agree.

Quite an interesting take on the question of divergence:

Guevarista wrote:
Good vid.
The guy with the black hair btw is a psycho.

andyh as you already know I don't really value your input on much

Guevarista wrote:
'Tis a shame because like I say...the guy with the black hair is deffo 101% psycho material :p
Guys like him drive the scientists to do what they do and steer them the way they want.
You can see it in that convo plain as day.

Its also worth noting that I don't disagree with you about everything.

Sorry that was rash, but I perceive the way you come to many of your conclusions as quite rash.

i only watched a bit of that before it froze up.

There was stuff floating about a few years back about organ transplants effecting recipients' personalities and their liking of things & their urges, as though memory and emotion that might be thought of as being part of the soul resides inside some of those body parts' cells. I wonder how that would be effected if we had clones of ourselves as body-part banks - whether our dying bits take some of our being's essence with them, beyond the tangible lump of meat.