We might be able to upload the contents of our mind, but it would be like a snapshot.
If you meant uploading our actual minds...then no, I don't think that will be possible at all.

Guevarista wrote:
I'm not looking for personal disagreement with you yer daft little cunt, you've been disagreeable enough already to negate the need to look.

Anyway, if you were referring specifically to mind upload, fair enough. What is mind? That'd be a good place to work from. Is it something physical? A series of electric patterns?
Once brain interface has been perfected (which i wouldnt be surprised happened inside 10-20 years), i don't see the upload of aspects of mind being too far behind. Memories, reactions, feelings etc would all be easily recordable. Record enough of that and it wouldnt be hard to build a model digitised personality. If that model identifies with itself then its merely a philosophical debate as to wether the mind has in fact been uploaded.
Combine that with the individual's genome being mapped, it wouldn't be hard to produce a clone with all the bad genetic stuff dealt with and some good stuff added. All it would need is an interface voila a new super you.
The brain interface is the key. The other tech is pretty much there. Nice and compartmentalised at the moment.

This is not science fiction. This is ongoing research that's well advanced. As far as usb sticks.....how many years has it taken to go from an 8meg card to a 32 gig card? 10?
Data storage is accelerating logarithmically.
As is processing power.

With regard to the military, yeah i guess that's fair comment but what has really been the brake as it were is ethics. Darpa are already breaking new ground in the diminishing of ethics as a concern. Thats a big chink in the dam.
I dont see a lot of this getting to the wider public anytime soon granted. I do see that there will be some blazing the trail easily in our lifetimes, if that line of development is permitted to continue.

hey i think of this story when i think transhumans and future.
creepypasta.wordpress.com/2009/02/28/the-gift/

i dunno who its by it was just on 4 chan /x/ 1 day

dubmeup wrote: Yeah I agree as I said before it raises interesting questions in people about what is mind, what does the brain do, my point was it's irrelevant in this topic, these transhumanists are way ahead of themselves already, what are they saying on the potentialities?

There isn't a clear scientific consensus on this mind you think can be fully digitized and what replicated, transplanted in the first place, let alone laws restricting such things, do you know what the current dominant paradigm's are within neuro-psychology our most technically advanced understanding of the unconscious basis of mind?
There could be completely world shattering paradigm shifts that challenge the "conscious awareness" of the basis of determining "conscious awareness" my point is those developing these doctrines of mind are not aware of all aspects of consciousness existing within the class based social structures they are formed in, the apparatus is flawed and some might even say the methods of enquiry
This is old but through:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440575/
it is exactly science fiction, it doesn't exist, none of these certainties you've come to really exist, if you're interested in the research post the research, if it's ongoing why isn't this thread until someone brings up a bit of science fiction?
I don;t really see Darpa as disconnected from the trend of enlightenment Utopianism/Futurism, the likes of Thomas More to go further back.

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Yes gue, uploadability does need an answer to the what is mind question. It may not be necessary to answer the question definitely though if enough of an impression can be gleaned from mapping brainwaves, impulses, chemical flows etc. I dunno i aint a scientist. Some may consider the conscious subconscious distinction moot. Some may be content to start from a self aware model that isn't a completely faithful reproduction

I think it unwise to dismiss research in the area of brain interface as science fiction tbh. It's going on today and they are making big steps.
I'd love to post links but am fekked if i can do that on a mobile sorry.

batou wrote:
ffs lol!!1

dubmeup wrote: Oh ok i always forget you're often on a mobile.
No I;m not a scientist either, the important point I think to make is that even within the sub distinction "Scientists" there is rarely ever agreement or consensus on much, which creates a delay in scientific "progress" but also a vital catalyst for compromise in a field often dominated by the interests of power, conservatism, tyrants etc.

Btw I don't discount the research into the subject at all, I was just stating a point earlier about how there is a tendency to just leap fifty years or more into the future at what "could happen" and completely forget what's going on here and now.

Yeah i get that. Kind of 'tomorrows world' syndrome where we think we'll all be in silver spandex sitting in pure white rooms, them pictures you got on the covers of 70's sci fi books and that. Often as time has passed we've found the 'future' aint quite what we thought..

On this topic though, there really is a raft of highly compartmentalised research in pretty deep stages. With the breaking up of things into specialised narrow areas it's not exactly simple to see what ties it all together but, the self.professed aims of the transhumanists do provide an answer. If it's THE answer i'm prepared to admit i can't be certain or prove it but if i were a betting man, i'd put good money on it.

andyh wrote:
It's crazy to think that a computer virus could send someone to heaven... or hell...

No wonder people get so freaked out about 1984 by George Orwell...

To think a person could get put in jail for 1000 years via computer program is kinda spooky...

.......... wrote:
Pre-crime will happen if the paranoia and divide and conquer continues, probably in the US first.

andyh wrote:
Please Elaborate...

.......... wrote:
Well what you described was pre-crime so to speak.
People getting sent to jail by a computer a program, minority report without the trio with ESP or whatever but instead a computer program that predicts peoples behaviour.

andyh wrote:
I'd be screwed

Wasn't there a report or announcement just recently about feeding crime data and statistics into a super computer? Iirc they were saying that they can predict where and when crimes will happen and send patrols accordingly.

dubmeup wrote:


Let me take you to one of the earliest internet addresses.

www.darpa.mil/Our_Work/I2O/Programs/Minds_Eye.aspx

irrepressible wrote:
It is both scary and exciting. I agree
And yes you are correct to point out we would need life extension tech for deep space travel...perhaps.

Any form of sub light 'travel' isn't fit for interstellar purpose really is it. Using current expansive propulsion, even the outer solar system takes an impractical 'time' to reach. Carrying the payloads needed to colonise or mine would compound that immensely.
So within the confines of current methods of getting from a to b we're limited. Should the sun do whats we're told it will, humanity's course will end there.
That's unless we move beyond male, expansionist tech and start to tap into the bits between the bits.

So, i can't see a great need for life extension in that regard. My view is that the motive for life extension has more to do with fear than anything else.

dubmeup wrote:
Well the motive is certainly nothing to do with travel imho
Just perhaps a small aspect of it.

Warp drive is literally in test phase.
www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/18/nasa_eagleworks_warp_drive/

With that we may not even need life extension tech. The ship doesn't actually 'move' as such...

This is real stuff make no mistake, money is being invested into it. (unlike investing into TVP unfortunately but c'est la vie)

Bloody hell andy. Now i have to go and say, even if it's a rocket ship seemingly cruising through spactime, nothing is really moving.

Now dont bait me into going off topic again