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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting 15 Dec 2012 21:51 #161

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It goes way back before any of us were ever born so you can't over-analyze it dubs...
I'm not sure that wondering why someone wants to keep a Glock in their Dolce and Gabana make-up bag qualifies as over analyszing ;)

Does anyone on this forum have a Dolce and Gabana make-​up bag that they keep a Glock in?
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting 15 Dec 2012 21:52 #162

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Because of the right to bear arms from 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights.

So it really is that just because there is the right to bear them, people want them in your opinion?

That's fekked up if it's so.

Tell me this...

If people in the UK could have guns would they wan't them in you opinion?


I think tht would ne a fat fat NO
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting 15 Dec 2012 21:53 #163

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*shrugs* possibly they can basically do what they want. But they still try to get public backing for it before they do it. And why do you think that is?
Because 1, they are pretty sure our own soldiers wont open fire on citizens en mass and 2, they know the number of NRA members and private people owning guns out number them. Bomb their own country they might do, and probably have before, but unless it's a nuke and they take out the entire country in one go, there are still a lot of people they have to deal with.

So do you think that in the absence of those two restrictions, the US gov would round you all up?
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dawnbreak wrote:
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dubmeup wrote:
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Because of the right to bear arms from 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights.

So it really is that just because there is the right to bear them, people want them in your opinion?

That's fekked up if it's so.

Tell me this...

If people in the UK could have guns would they wan't them in you opinion?


I think that be a fat fat NO
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting 15 Dec 2012 21:56 #165

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How often do armed guys go and shoot schoolkids in Switzerland?

How often do people cattle charge into shops in Switzerland?

How many homeless people are there in Switzerland?

Yet the Swiss can and do bear arms, to the teeth so to speak. Something different has happened in Switzerland than many other places and its important that its understood imho.

Andy,young men between the ages of 19 and 34 are drafted/conscripted to do at least 2 years National Service for Switzerland.

And they aren't even at war with anyone! Perhaps you are not aware of how much the 'government' rules over the citizens of Switzerland?

They're unlikely ever to be at war with anyone for precisely the very reason they are all proficient with firearms Dawn.
Can you imagine invading a country where everyone has deadly marskmanship skills? In fact skills that far exceed the armed forces of most if not all the rest of the other armies?

Also for this reason they're happy to do the service because they know its 2 years of larking about in the mountains keeping fit and learning skills instead of killing lord knows who in lordknowswhatistan or getting their heads blown off for oil.

The people rule the people in Switzerland Dawn not a 'government' in the same sense we have it. They have direct democracy there, their politicians are very wary of their people.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting 15 Dec 2012 21:56 #166

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TBF I've kind of :jakd: aint I so I'll maybe start a thread some when to discuss it rather than carry on in this one.
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It goes way back before any of us were ever born so you can't over-analyze it dubs...
I'm not sure that wondering why someone wants to keep a Glock in their Dolce and Gabana make-up bag qualifies as over analyszing ;)

Does anyone on this forum have a Dolce and Gabana make-​up bag that they keep a Glock in?

possibly not .......what do you keep your handgun in RA ?
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The gov­ern­ment part makes me want to slap them upside the head because Embry Rid­dle is one of the flight train­ing schools for air­force pilots and do they not think the gov­ern­ment wont send chop­pers in?

Not to mention that there is a black ops base in the Boynton Canyon in Sedona, also in Yavapai County. Did you know about that?

Sure have. Tried to find it once...got too hot and I had the mother and child with me so *shrugs* not a good idea to go stomping around the area. If it was just me though...oh would I have fun :chuckle:

My brother is ex-airforce and did a lot of building planning for them. He swears under Arizona is an entire underground base (the entire state underground).

<big sigh> You know that wouldn't surprise me. I shudder to think what is going on underground these days. Actually, I have heard things but strangely enough I don't remember what, only that it really blew my mind. :O



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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting 15 Dec 2012 21:57 #169

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Guns are just like the money I suppose. Just something we have to evolve beyond which again ofc won't come from authority.

Yea, that goes hand and hand with my theory that humans just need to behave better..

Thats not a theory :D
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Not everyone has to have a gun of course... :roll: ....its an individual choice.

But those who do choose to own a firearm should have the freedom to do so surely?

Or do you believe that the authorities have the right to tell you what your rights are....

Tut tut. I'm asking why gun ownership is such a big thing in the minds of so many US dwelling individuals DG not discussing the rights.

Well no dubs, you did actually ask me a direct question regarding my last post, which was:
So because 1 in 5,000 or what­ever is a sicko, every­one has to have a gun? Is that it?

So don't swerve please.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting 15 Dec 2012 21:59 #171

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dubmeup wrote:
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*shrugs* possibly they can basically do what they want. But they still try to get public backing for it before they do it. And why do you think that is?
Because 1, they are pretty sure our own soldiers wont open fire on citizens en mass and 2, they know the number of NRA members and private people owning guns out number them. Bomb their own country they might do, and probably have before, but unless it's a nuke and they take out the entire country in one go, there are still a lot of people they have to deal with.

So do you think that in the absence of those two restrictions, the US gov would round you all up?

Possibly. Anyone who did not conform, anyone who rebelled against the system would then be fair/fare (fuck it) game. The risks of not being able to defend ourselves and trust our military to "protect against both foreign and domestic threats" is enough to convince me we need to keep our rights. (hope that made sense)

And, I like knowing that I can be as well armed as the criminal... even though I don't own a gun right now, did in the past and plan to in the future, knowing I have the right to defend myself, my family and my home by whatever means necessary is something I will cling to. If there comes a day that it is illegal, I will still own when I can get my hands on one because a ban does not mean everyone will follow the law. Laws get broke everyday, a ban on guns only takes them away from law abiding citizens and puts them at risk.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting 15 Dec 2012 22:02 #172

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andyh wrote:
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How often do armed guys go and shoot schoolkids in Switzerland?

How often do people cattle charge into shops in Switzerland?

How many homeless people are there in Switzerland?

Yet the Swiss can and do bear arms, to the teeth so to speak. Something different has happened in Switzerland than many other places and its important that its understood imho.

Andy,young men between the ages of 19 and 34 are drafted/conscripted to do at least 2 years National Service for Switzerland.

And they aren't even at war with anyone! Perhaps you are not aware of how much the 'government' rules over the citizens of Switzerland?

They're unlikely ever to be at war with anyone for precisely the very reason they are all proficient with firearms Dawn.
Can you imagine invading a country where everyone has deadly marskmanship skills? In fact skills that far exceed the armed forces of most if not all the rest of the other armies?

i thought you were a liberationists Andy who did agree with conscription ?

Also for this reason they're happy to do the service because they know its 2 years of larking about in the mountains keeping fit and learning skills instead of killing lord knows who in lordknowswhatistan or getting their heads blown off for oil.

The people rule the people in Switzerland Dawn not a 'government' in the same sense we have it. They have direct democracy there, their politicians are very wary of their people.

i thought you were a liberationists Andy who did agree with conscription ?
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their politi­cians are very wary of their people.

Exactly the way it should be. Its the opposite here, it seems.
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noseymutegirl wrote:
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The gov­ern­ment part makes me want to slap them upside the head because Embry Rid­dle is one of the flight train­ing schools for air­force pilots and do they not think the gov­ern­ment wont send chop­pers in?

Not to mention that there is a black ops base in the Boynton Canyon in Sedona, also in Yavapai County. Did you know about that?

Sure have. Tried to find it once...got too hot and I had the mother and child with me so *shrugs* not a good idea to go stomping around the area. If it was just me though...oh would I have fun :chuckle:

My brother is ex-airforce and did a lot of building planning for them. He swears under Arizona is an entire underground base (the entire state underground).

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I've seen that before :chuckle:

I heard a lot of genetic stuff goes on underground. Keeping kids in cages and whatnot... it's not a pleasant though, that's for sure.
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diamondgeezer wrote:
dubmeup wrote:
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Not everyone has to have a gun of course... :roll: ....its an individual choice.

But those who do choose to own a firearm should have the freedom to do so surely?

Or do you believe that the authorities have the right to tell you what your rights are....

Tut tut. I'm asking why gun ownership is such a big thing in the minds of so many US dwelling individuals DG not discussing the rights.

Well no dubs, you did actually ask me a direct question regarding my last post, which was:
So because 1 in 5,000 or what­ever is a sicko, every­one has to have a gun? Is that it?

So don't swerve please.
Tbh DG twas you that headed our little convo down this route, i just rather dumbly took the bait ;) but heh here goes...

Imo. If anyone can have guns, everyone can have them.
No I don't think authorities can tell us what our rights are. A society may grant privileges but that's very different.
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Or do you believe that the authorities have the right to tell you what your rights are....

I'd argue that the authorities made people think they need the right to be armed.
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They're unlikely ever to be at war with anyone for precisely the very reason they are all proficient with firearms Dawn.
Can you imagine invading a country where everyone has deadly marskmanship skills? In fact skills that far exceed the armed forces of most if not all the rest of the other armies?

Also for this reason they're happy to do the service because they know its 2 years of larking about in the mountains keeping fit and learning skills instead of killing lord knows who in lordknowswhatistan or getting their heads blown off for oil.

The people rule the people in Switzerland Dawn not a 'government' in the same sense we have it. They have direct democracy there, their politicians are very wary of their people.

1) isn't Switzerland the one with no extradition treaty also?
2) aren't they also the ones that the only real way into the country other than a plan is through a mountain range where they can box the invader in and just open fire?
3) I hear they still have bomb shelters under their houses also, like fully functioning ones with air purifiers and everything else :chuckle:

Anyone else seeing a reason to move? :D


Neve rmind, I think I was thinking of Sweden... or some other place... geography is not my strong suit, neither is memory lol
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and direct democracy means all there young men have to go and join 'the army' whether the want to or not!
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It goes way back before any of us were ever born so you can't over-analyze it dubs...
I'm not sure that wondering why someone wants to keep a Glock in their Dolce and Gabana make-up bag qualifies as over analyszing ;)

Does anyone on this forum have a Dolce and Gabana make-​up bag that they keep a Glock in?

All the royalists do.
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The only way to effectively remove any form of power is from the top down, disarming the governments seems to be the only obstacle to disarming the populace.
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