Sorry but that’s absurd. If I am a com­plete and total maniac (an autard with daddy/​mommy issues as this one seems to be the case) with a gun and I’m not sup­posed to ‘be there’, I just shoot my way in. Sim­ple!
Secu­rity staff: “You’re not cleared, you can’t get in.”
Me: Bang! Matrix style right on the face — rinse and repeat to any idiot approach­ing me, dar­ing to ques­tion my microchip/​RFID is flag­ging me as an intruder or what­ever, until I reach my target/​s.

Is still false sense of secu­rity which ever way you cut it.

Mind you, I do under­stand that’s not what you nec­es­sar­ily believe in but non the less that’s cer­tainly what they — as in: the masses — believe in (enough for me to lose all hope in any kind of human ratio­nal­ity btw).

The doors, as I heard, were double paned and bullet proof, so that is why people want to know who let him in or how did he get in because no one is owning up to it.

dubmeup wrote:
I really do not give a shit if its a valid point or not. You do not say something like that... especially given the current events that have taken place.

dubmeup wrote:
I really do not give a shit if its a valid point or not. You do not say something like that... especially given the current events that have taken place.

StarsChildren wrote:
Really? And how are you going to guarantee a teacher is somehow immune to losing their shit? What do you think might have happened if this guy had had a gun?
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/76...ttempted-murder.html
Teachers How are you going to guarantee in a school full of firearms there aren't going to be accidents? Do you really want children spending their days in institutions full of armed people? Is this a good thing in your mind??

one one hand you've got this thing about Oooh does this mean there shouldn't be guns, but you're acting exactly the same from the other direction - Arm EVERYONE!!!!!!!

And don't say dumb things about cramming your fist down the throat of someone the other side of the Atlantic you don't even know the identity of. Why do you resort to aggressive posturing just because somebody says something you don't like? Do you make a habit of threatening people with violence if you don't like what they say?
I hope you don't own a gun...

For anyone questioning the "right" to gun ownership, I have two words: Home Invasion.

When a pair of cracked-out, nothing-to-lose-jonesing-for-a-fix meth-heads find their way into the home of a single mother with children, I don't see how being a more highly mentally, emotionally or spiritually evolved individual is going to make a shits-worth of difference. Especially when they could very well be armed with (stolen?) guns themselves. But a legally obtained firearm in the hands of said single mother would go a long way towards leveling the playing field. Alarm systems DO exist, but in some cases cost more (sometimes significantly more) than a modest handgun. Not to mention that some criminals are not dissuaded in the least by the whirring sound of an alarm. If they came for business, nothing short of a well-placed bullet (from cop OR citizen) is gonna stop them from getting it done.

In the case of this 20 year old kid that shot these children, does anybody really believe that if guns were illegal that he would have been sidelined from going through with his plan to hurt and kill?? Someone that elects to shoot their mother in the face and kill her and then go on to murder innocent children (damn near babies!) isn't someone that's gonna let ANY kind of a "law" stand in their way!! Sure, it may have been more difficult for him to obtain a gun (laughable, but I'll play along) but this kind of mindset (the killers') is one that was bent from the word Go and there would have been tragedy regardless. My two coins.

And don't doubt where I can and cannot get and whether I can track someone, proxy, firewall or not... the fact that this is a forum makes it a little harder, but don't think everyone who owns a computer is a moron and only knows how to power it on and off or doesnt know people who can find out just where someone is sitting. Another words, don't push the crazy person who has the contacts and means to do just what she threatens

andyh wrote:
i thought you were a liberationists Andy who did agree with conscription ?

The real question here is why did the mom have guns in the house with a autistic kid (Asperger's)

For anyone questioning the "right" to gun ownership, I have two words: Home Invasion.

When a pair of cracked-out, nothing-to-lose-jonesing-for-a-fix meth-heads find their way into the home of a single mother with children, I don't see how being a more highly mentally, emotionally or spiritually evolved individual is going to make a shits-worth of difference. Especially when they could very well be armed with (stolen?) guns themselves. But a legally obtained firearm in the hands of said single mother would go a long way towards leveling the playing field. Alarm systems DO exist, but in some cases cost more (sometimes significantly more) than a modest handgun. Not to mention that some criminals are not dissuaded in the least by the whirring sound of an alarm. If they came for business, nothing short of a well-placed bullet (from cop OR citizen) is gonna stop them from getting it done.

In the case of this 20 year old kid that shot these children, does anybody really believe that if guns were illegal that he would have been sidelined from going through with his plan to hurt and kill?? Someone that elects to shoot their mother in the face and kill her and then go on to murder innocent children (damn near babies!) isn't someone that's gonna let ANY kind of a "law" stand in their way!! Sure, it may have been more difficult for him to obtain a gun (laughable, but I'll play along) but this kind of mindset (the killers') is one that was bent from the word Go and there would have been tragedy regardless. My two coins.

dogsmilk wrote:
I have a short fuse and anything in the direction of harming a child sets me off, thats why. Children fucking died yesterday, little children not much age different than my son...that comment you made was beyond crossing a line. Most of the time, I dont care what people say until they stupidly bring children (or animals) into it, say any damn thin you want about an adult and I'll ignore it or move past it, but even imply danger to a child and I will bitch until you cant see straight. And don't doubt where I can and cannot get and whether I can track someone, proxy, firewall or not... the fact that this is a forum makes it a little harder, but don't think everyone who owns a computer is a moron and only knows how to power it on and off or doesnt know people who can find out just where someone is sitting. Another words, don't push the crazy person who has the contacts and means to do just what she threatens, I hope to god you dont have kids and NEVER have to live with failing them you fucking prick.

Thanks, andy. Good post and yes, there is so much to talk about there.

Could you give one example of this?

In a word…culture. The cul­ture in Europe is much more…gah bad word to use but lets say they have a more social out­look than the Amer­i­cans. I per­son­ally blame the media more than any­thing else.

Was there another phrase that you were going to use instead of social outlook? Go ahead and say it.

phemohilia wrote: Again, I myself wasn't questioning the "right", I was questioning why people take up the right. Which we have now had some pretty good answers too, including your own. To my mind those answers do show a very real problem right at the core of the USA though which isn't really being addressed.

phemohilia wrote:
Exactly, his mom legally bought the guns that killed...

The real question here is why did the mom have guns in the house with a autistic kid (Asperger's)

I recall having hadabusa explain to us how their unemployment benefits system works for example...if someone loses their job then they 'sign on' to get a govt job at respectable similar if not same pay until they find another job.
Et voila, no 'doley scum'. They solved that entire problem with a single stroke by using some bloody amazing common sense

So if we got rid of the market aspect of drug dealing the person in question wouldn't require a gun.

Next.

andyh wrote:
I missed this. Genius. You can't carve out a niche within society? Nevermind, join in our state workshare scheme where we serve society.

So if we got rid of the market aspect of drug dealing the person in question wouldn't require a gun.

oioioi wrote:
Correct.
Just another argument for a resource based economy IMHO.