novum wrote:
Its as complicated as this imho...we need to remove the NEED to bear arms, which means removing the threats.

Whole new thread for that though

noseymutegirl wrote:
^ I hate that with equal passion (I just want that on record)
noseymutegirl wrote:
I get ya. I have no objections when it comes to healthy reminders of the menace of RFIDs, I’m right there with you on that btw, even if it didn’t seem so.
I don’t like the, ala Alex Jones hysterical nonsense: oh noes, they are after our guns!, any more than I like to hear the opposite view: ban all guns: like yesterday!

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StarsChildren wrote:
To be fair, kids die everyday. They even die because of US hegemony wars on an almost daily basis too. That’s why I can’t fathom why these deaths, despite of their age, are of any more importance to those deaths of a similar age abroad...

dubmeup wrote:
Couldn't agree more
Majority is the important word, not all but it'd be a hell of a start.

You're right the chances are slim lol...you never know though...maybe the elite will tip the scales too far and let slip the dogs of common sense

Can I just reiterate I am born n bred Salford, I have an 'awareness' of illegal firearms possession and the drug industry.

phemohilia wrote:
And does this single mother know how to use this here handgun? Has she spent days on the shooting range, or is she going to ineptly plant a few rounds in the skirting board.

I once read a book about Manchester gangs. I can't say if this is true, but the author claimed there had been relatively few deaths because the kids who ran round tooled up hadn't got a fucking clue about how to use a gun and kept missing when they shot at each other. They bought them for power and status but didn't realise it's not like the movies where you can pick up a gun and instantly become the Terminator.

And isn't the real question why these meth heads have nothing to lose? As Oioioi suggested, the reasons why the situation arises is surely pivotal? And that particular example is far removed from some guy going on a killing rampage - it smacks more of the poor and desperate turning on each other.
Countries full of armed homeowners nervously cradling their pistols in case the barbarians are at the gates is surely not the answer.

People are going on about the dread spectre of gun control - let's face it, in the US that is not going to happen - people will just talk about it for a few weeks - but the other side is the fear of each other, the fear that some nutcase is going to barge down the door and murder everyone. And this line of thinking wants us to live in fear of each other because 0.01% is a loon who may just lose their shit in a big way.

www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=230458

Looks like the true cause of this terrible school shooting has been figured out on the DIF...

.......... wrote:
Good old DIF

andyh wrote:
Nicked for me sig

dubmeup wrote:
If only HJ was still there , he'd tell them the nazis had no probs with plenty of sex if you were aryan

noseymutegirl wrote: You'd certainly have a hard time legitimately disagreeing with this assertion.phemohilia wrote: I know pro-gun, or pro-constitutionalists in the States like to quote the following article:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1450338/...-since-Dunblane.html

Despite this having occurred:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_(Amendment)_(No._2)_Act_1997

Talking of Switzerland, by the way, this is an interesting article:

www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/Minimum_wa...ht.html?cid=31701888

Switzerland has a median average wage of £4,000 per month, and they're calling for a minimum wage of £2,700 per month because Swiss workers aren't all covered by collective bargaining agreements. This will make the Swiss minimum wage more than the British median average wage, in fact if you take London and the south east out of the equation, it's about 60% more than the median average wage which is little more than £20,000 per annum for most of the country.

oioioi wrote:
Best add rape, kidnapping and theft to that impossibly tall order there too.

.......... wrote:
I just stopped giving up on you!

phemohilia wrote:
You'll find that the vast majority of crime is financially motivated, even rape has a large aspect to it.

phemohilia wrote:
Market orientated crimes.

There's an argument that rape is psychologically rooted in the commodification(sp?) and exploitation of people.

oioioi wrote:
I always assumed so, and never said you didnt.

novum wrote:
I never said you said I didn't.

oioioi wrote:
According to Rape Crisis

www.rapecrisis.org.uk/mythsampfacts2.php

This would surely be prevented if there was a gun in the house...

dogsmilk wrote:
Or give a potential rapist a real means to rape.

dogsmilk wrote:
You might think differently about it if you were female. For a woman 50% of the population are: potential nut jobs, molesters, gropers, stalkers, rapers, psychopaths, sociopaths, suffering from severe male entitlement or whatever...
...never mind 0.01% being a loon!
Hang around feminist circles, lend an ear on this issue (insecurity is a BIG issue amogst women and/or feminists) and what do you know!? A whole new world of possibly (or more like: impossibility) opens up to you. As a male, there’s at least a 50% chance you’ve been living a rather sheltered life there dude,

Who knew!?

dogsmilk wrote:
You know what?
For once staggeringly enough I disagree with dogsmilk

I would suggest it would be prevented if there was a safe outlet for such people to indulge their fantasies without hurting people for real.

EDIT: BTW that also means for example by not allowing the church and other such institutions to make it a taboo subject while at the same time having many of the freaks involved take part in it.