K-Bone wrote:
Well it's such an emotive subject that there's also an 'us' ('conspiracy theorists') and 'them' (non-conspiracy theorists) divide which I think is being cultivated.

That Gene Rosen character and Robbie Parker are prime eg's of 'tools' in this.

On the one hand, there are those of us who cry BS, and on the other there are those who believe the official version (or claim to for their own ulterior motives in some cases) and so find the accusations against them despicable (or pretend to).

Forget that Gene Rosen's story was entirely strange in its being so utterly implausible, even before he contradicted himself several times, and was found to be in the Actor's Guild & heavily involved with some thespian get-up. There are pages up all over the place now about how that pitiful little, elderly hero, Rosen, who just helped the poor children, is now being viciously targeted by those mean, mental conspiracy theorists.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's some freedom of speech curtailing on the cards as a result, as well as some more vivid painting of 'conspiracy theorists' as harmful terrorists who need to be restrained.

*Edit* Oh yeah - not terrorists - mentally ill. That shite that the troll Guevarista was pushing. That'll be where they're trying to go with this I bet. Question the official line & be sectioned / compulsorily medicated for mental health issues.

I certainly agree. It's always about division; Black & White, left or right...

And the crazy conspiracy theorist image- also notice they are "loners" or "introverted".

Damn, I wish I wasn't typing from a phone! I just read an article on Blacklisted News this morning by Jon Rappoport. Matrix Programming 101: destroy logic; that was the title. Interesting stuff toward the end about one of the fathers of a slain Sandy Hook child being a lawyer for the Vatican(defending them during one of the many sex abuse scandals).

Also, on Blacklisted News(lots of good articles) is something about the White House posting vids of children begging for gun control. Exploit the children...nice.

K-Bone wrote:
I'll post them for you if you like - here, or new threads in general?

I saw the headline a few days back re Obama's intention to 'surround himself with children' when he gives a speech on gun control measures - yep, these children have apparently been begging him to sort it out ! I'll just bet he fooking will! Human shield!

Gilly wrote:
Human shield, indeed! What a fucking psychopathic parasite he is!

That would be great if you could post the videos! And the bit from the Rappoport article. I think they fit in this thread but if you want to make a thread- that's cool, too!

The videos from the White House site are just such disgusting propaganda! There is just no end to how low "they" will stoop. Bottomless fucking hole.

This is the article you spoke of, K-bone. I've copy & pasted the section that's directly relevant to this thread, but the whole thing's on the link, and well worth a read.

jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/01/19/ma...g-101-destroy-logic/

Matrix programming 101: destroy logic
By Jon Rappoport
January 10, 2013

...For instance, suppose we had a ten-hour reasoned debate, over the course of two days, on television, or on the Web, on this simple question:

What really happened at Sandy Hook?

Do you think that might draw a few viewers?

Are you kidding?

It would outrank many major network programs. It would put the networks’ coverage to shame.

Never a bad thing.

Coda: Here is an illustration of no-logic in action. It occurs in a recent article in the Washington Post, “Uncle of young Newtown shooting victim turning tragedy into action.”

From the headline alone, we pick up the slant of the article. It’s going to praise the uncle for being able to turn grief into action.

The uncle is attorney Alexis Haller. His nephew, Noah Pozner, was killed in the Sandy Hook shooting.

The Post article tells us that Haller has worked as a lawyer for the Vatican. We don’t learn exactly what he did for the Vatican, but it’s more or less suggested that, because Haller has a keen interest in “reporting requirements,” where child abuse is occurring, he may have had something to do with the Vatican now “expecting” (requiring?) bishops to report pedophile priests to law-enforcement authorities.

This is quite fuzzy. The Post doesn’t clarify what role, if any, Haller played in the new Vatican expectations/requirements.

Nevertheless, the article presses on to indicate that Haller saw a way to codify reporting requirements in situations of imminent violence, like Sandy Hook. In fact, Haller has written (or made notes on?) a bill:

When a person “has knowledge of a grave or imminent threat of serious harm or death made by someone with access to a gun,” that person must notify the police within 24 hours.

Haller has met with Joe Biden’s committee and discussed his proposal.

The article doesn’t bother to take up how this bill, if made into law, would be enforced, or what implications might flow from it—such as the birthing of an expanded snitch mentality; and excessive, wrong-headed, or even malicious reporting in cases where the threat of imminent violence wasn’t real.

No, this article, we learn, is more a human interest story about Alexis Haller and what’s he’s motivated to do in the wake of the death of his nephew.

The Post article doesn’t bother to cover Haller’s actual history as a defense lawyer for the Vatican. For example, in a case involving the sexual abuse of a Portland, Oregon, boy, in the 1960s, where a 2011 suit was filed against the Holy See, Haller was defending the Vatican, claiming that the pedophile priest, Andrew Ronan, was committing crimes against children without the knowledge of the Holy See, and was not an employee of the Vatican.

Why is this significant? Because the Post article states: “Haller had crafted and forwarded several proposals to prevent future gun violence that were shaped by his experience as a lawyer for the Holy See.”

Which part of that experience? Ahem, cough-cough.

By the end of the article, we know nothing about the precise wording of Haller’s new bill to limit gun violence.

We do know that he was tragically connected to the Sandy Hook shootings. We know his initial efforts to have input in new gun legislation were ignored. We know he overcame that problem. We see his posed picture above the article, in which he’s walking in the rain under an umbrella.

We understand the Post is “on his side.”

This is the old ad hominen argument, in which the person forwarding an idea is more important than the actual content of the idea…except in this case, the person isn’t being attacked, he’s being praised.

As if that gives more credibility to his idea, the precise legal content of which we don’t know.

Perfect.

Jon Rappoport

Thanks for posting that Gilly and, yeah, I found the whole article to be an interesting read. He is a good writer. He's written some other interesting articles(some dealing with the media & Sandy Hook). Worth checking out.

Liar, liar, pants on fire!

It's getting downright insulting now, that they think they can sit there lying their corrupt arses off, just present any old shit, and everybody's going to swallow it because they've fed us enough flouride!

CNN Airs Fake Sandy Hook Helicopter Footage
January 19, 2013

Here's the other article you were talking about I think, K-bone...

‘No Guns, No Guns!’: WH Posts Vids Of Kids Begging For Gun Control
January 18, 2013
Ben Shapiro

After trotting out young children as the backdrop for his gun control rollout yesterday, the White House released videos today of young children reading anti-gun letters to the camera. “No guns, no guns, no guns, no guns!” pleads one little girl, Hinnah. “My opinion is it should be very hard for people to buy guns,” says little Julia. “It’s a free country, but I recommend there needs to be a limit with guns,” says little Grant. “I thought I would write to you to stop gun violence,” reads little Taejah.

It was already despicable for Obama to exploit children as a backdrop for his political posturing, implying that his opposition on useless gun control laws somehow cares less about children. Now he’s taken the next step, trotting children out as spokespeople for his agenda.









Quite apart from the Sandy Hook atrocity, this cold, cynical manipulation is making my blood boil with real anger. The dirty, sick bastards, using kids like this.

Gilly wrote: Doesn't surprise me in the slightest. I haven't really looked at this story too much, but as soon as you see big political statements, the news agenda all being steered in the same direction, you should always be suspicious.



"The consensus reality is often misleading". I would probably go further than that and say that the consensus reality is almost without exception nothing to do with what is really going on, and even if it is, there is usually an ulterior motive underlying it.

As for broadcast media 'journalism', there is nothing they won't stoop to:

Gilly wrote:
That is nauseating!! I'm not even finished reading your post Gilly but I got to the bold part above and had to reply.

wake_up_bomb wrote:
That is both hilarious and an outrage. All at the same, weird time.

phemohilia wrote: It was actually someone on the DIF that spotted that in the programme, you can see the original thread here:

www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=184930

A few people wrote to the Guardian and pointed it out, and they did to their credit report on it, and ITV had to admit it, although they pretended it was a mistake:

www.guardian.co.uk/uk/feedarticle/9868132
www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/sep/27/ira-footage-video-game-itv
www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/oct/10/ofcom-itv-ira-game-footage
www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/jan/23/itv-ira-ofcom-video-game

Obviously it was no mistake because they've filmed a video game using a shaky camera effect to try to make it look like real footage.

This video contains someone's theories on items discarded on the ground by the main door, and links them to the police radio report of suspects being sighted in a purple van.

hugorune wrote:
Most of this is about elements we've already covered, but it does draw attention to the manipulation of the public against those who are questioning the huge number of inconsistencies in the ever changing official story - a point we've been talking about here yesterday.

Sandy Hook Mike Powers: Former US Army Infantry and Naval LE Interview

Former US Naval Law Enforcement Veteran and US Army Infantry/Reconnaissance Military Veteran MIKE POWERS has found glaring inconsistencies regarding the Sandy Hook shooting and will be breaking it down for us. We must understand that this is the elephant in the living room and must be shared with everyone that you know. This is a CAN'T MISS SHOW and of the utmost importance that we understand what is really going on.



And, since I haven't had 2 hours free to listen to this, I've taken the liberty of copy & pasting a member's notes on the points raised, from another forum. I don't think anyone will take offence at this, since the point is to get it all out to as many people as possible. My own opinion is that the real culprits of this need to be hunted out and held accountable.

NOTES FROM THE 2-HOUR BROADCAST


There is nothing solid about Adam Lanza.

There is no conclusive evidence to prove that Adam Lanza ever existed.

We found tons on his brother Ryan, but nothing on Adam himself.

We have put together a basic 30 questions which we want our elected officials to answer.

For six hours, all officials on the first day were talking about his Facebook page, which was private. Then 7 different clone pages popped up.

All of the official photos of Adam Lanza are layered - photoshop.

Per Joyce, Dr. Cass Ingram said: His IT department went over it, and confirms the Adam Lanza photo is photoshopped.

Re Nancy Lanza

There's been nothing but lie after lie after lie about Nancy Lanza.

There is no connection between her and the school, no teaching certificate, no testimony, except for the nurse who claimed she was a well-loved instructor at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Nancy Champion Lanza was an employee of Chase Morgan Stanley.
Her husband Peter is in charge of the General Electric Insurance Division, and four of his team have been convicted of crimes in connection with the Libor financial scandal.

In her obituary, there was no mention of a son named Adam.

From law enforcement to the gun industry, some very unusual procedures handling evidence have been demonstrated.

Motive for Adam Lanza

No motive has been brought forward. Did he attend elementary school there briefly? He was now 20 years old. Did he harbor resentment against people who were no longer even at the school?

The supposed altercation at the school the day before actually never happened, according to Lt. Vance, who denied the whole story.

Why was there only one call to 911 dispatch?

The typical AR15 rifle has is equipped with a muzzle break - it produces a much louder snap than other calibre weapons, shooting 5.65 millimeter rounds.

If there was shooting of hundreds of rounds in the school, the noise would have been at a level of 165 decimal or better. The impact to the inner ear in an enclosed space, according to two ear doctors I personally spoke to, would result in devastating effects, balance problems, loss of cognitive ability from shock.

Has anyone checked the records at the school? We are told he was homeschooled. But there is absolutely no documentation of homeschooling, no test records, etc.

How did he enter the school?

Pictures that I have now show a Connecticut police officer escorting two women away from the school, and there is another officer behind him at the door - and the glass at the entrance is all intact.

How did he compromise the door? You're talking about a pretty tough plate of glass. The round that was supposedly used is not as strong as other varieties on impact.

Was it wirescreen reinforced glass?

The glass, even without wirescreen, would weigh several hundred pounds. You wouldn't want a glass door that shattered into a thousand pieces. The glass also would have been laminated.

What was he wearing?

Wearing bullet proof vest, wearing tactical vest to store extra ammo, and pockets holding ammo would have to be be on both sides of the body, if he was carrying hundreds of rounds, in addition to the guns he was carrying.

Statistically and physically speaking, that round would not penetrate impressively a crowd of children huddled in a corner.

Was this 120-lb. Adam Lanza, then, carrying the equivalent of his own body weight into the school?

The most disturbing issues we have right now (and equally at Aurora, the Sikh Temple, etc.) - all of them have witnesses reporting multiple shooters.

Sandy Hook had just initiated a new security protocol. A recent school shooting in Brazil had several video cameras. It was a genuine crime scene, with people in panic running all over the place. How did Adam get into the school, which supposedly had a very secure entrance.

Why wouldn't a teacher push children through a window, rather than huddling them in the corner of a classroom?

What do we know about the notification to police?

We have not located anything other than the single initial call to Sandy Hook dispatch.

We are going to obtain a door, to try to duplicate broaching the door, according to the official account.

For a 120-lb, developmentally disabled kid, to have accomplished this just doesn't make any sense.

There was a drill taking place simultaneously 25 minutes away. That is confirmed.

Fog of War

There is a hell of a difference between the fog of war and a localized incident at an elementary school -- when you are being fired at from many directions, different munitions, etc., when you are in a war, versus responding to a single shooter incident.

Weapon in the trunk

The officer is shown pulling a shotgun out of the trunk. Around him are four individuals are in full MOPP - chemical gear - from head to toe. What did they think they were going to find in the back of that car?

Gun(s) used

For shooting the children between 4 and 11 times, the weapon was identified by Coroner Carver as a long rifle, the alleged AR-15.

A Wall Street reporter went to all the gun ranges in the area, and no one could identify pictures of the mother and Lanza.

The physiological trauma on the human nervous system, with a 6 to 10 pound gun, means weightlifting with every shot -- negates the possibilities here.

A standard capacity magazine is capable of accepting 30 rounds, but professionals use 28 because of a technical problem. Allegedly he changed magazines several times, 5 to 10 times. He only went to two rooms. Why would he change magazines several times in the same room?

Psychologists say that even the most psychotic individual could not shoot children this efficiently, as people have an innate block to overcome in order to commit such a crime.

The responding officers themselves had to shoot their way through the front of the school.

There is an assault weapon ban in place in Connecticut. So how could Nancy Lanza have a legally registered assault weapon?

AR-15 rifles are very prone to stoppages, lubrication problems.

Changing magazines can involve mistakes even for a professional.

The Gene Rosen Story

One point that he made was that he heard stacatto fire. If Mr. Lanza was inside the school, the noise of the discharge would hardly reach Mr. Rosen at his house.

Or, if he did hear the gunfire, why did he never call to report it?

Gun Control

The politicians started in immediately.

The Robbie Parker Story

Six hours after his daughter was allegedly brutally murdered, he is laughing: "Should I just read from the card?" Then, he does his acting routine, hyperventilating in order to get in character to be a grieving parent.

Response Time

The first responders were there within seven minutes.

But, how long would it take from the time 911 was called at 9:40 a.m., for Adam Lanza to shoot so many rounds?

You're talking about several minutes at least. Lanza is making decisions after the entry. Where does he go?

How could a woman, supposedly a nurse, have been locked in a closet until 1 p.m., when police and responders are well instructed in how to clear a building? The school nurse is not even licensed in the State of Connecticut.

None of the people who are alleged to have been professionals have any traceable creditation. Gene Rosen had 2 years of community college. Was he a retired psychologist?

Even giving the media a margin of error, there have been no retractions.

Now they want to destroy and demolish the school. No way to check after the fact, then.

What about the assignment of law enforcement officers to all of the families?

This has never ever happened before. The same Lt. Vance who threatened independent journalists assigns bodyguards to all the families?

Where is the budget for this - 30 families?

Is it to suppress them from talking, to prevent independent journalists from reaching them?

Whether you believe it or not, this nation is currently a nation at war. I need to draw your attention to the fact that several prominent gun industry executives have died recently.

Do not believe the media hype that the President has overwhelming support - no, he has support from Feinstein and a handful of others.

Conclusion:

The USA is under attack, right now, from within.

Thank you for posting the vid Gilly. ...will watch it later.

As yet, I have only had a quick look at your notes, but I have always thought that the picture that has been shown so often of Adam Lanza...doesn't look like a real person.

www.addictinginfo.org/2013/01/20/facing-...-view-son-in-casket/

Thanks for posting the list, Gilly. I'm not sure if I will ever find the time to listen to the video, but it looks like a pretty rational raft of queries. I should imagine that some of them could be answered, but the point is that these things never get properly and transparently investigated. I think we can all see a clear motive as to why this might be.

www.salon.com/2013/01/18/your_comprehens...k_conspiracy_theory/

i-baster wrote:
All I got form the article and the first page of comments is that, if you don't believe the Sandy Hook story you are mentally ill!