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27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 23 Jan 2013 19:18 #981

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Just what in the sweet, mind-numbing FUCK is going on here on planet Earth??? :aargh:

New Mexico officials are trying to determine why a teenager opened fire with an assault rifle on his family this weekend, killing his parents and three young siblings.

Nehemiah Griego, 15, used the assault rifle to kill his father, Greg Griego, 51, a pastor at Calvary Church in Albuquerque, and mother, Sara Griego, age 40, as well as the three younger siblings, ages 9, 5, and 2, said officials in Bernalillo County, N.M.

Police said that multiple firearms were found at Griego's home after the attack, including an assault rifle.

abcnews.go.com/US/mexico-teen-charged-mu...ly/story?id=18273128


Notice the bold parts. Make sure to drive that aspect of the case home, real good and hard, please!

And in this article it says after fucking his family off he wanted to go rub his girlfriend's family out THEN go and shoot up a fucking Wal-Mart....

:O Seriously, WTF!!!!

Nehemiah Griego, the 15-year-old son of an Albuquerque pastor, had plans to kill his family, his 12-year-old girlfriend's family and local Walmart shoppers for weeks before he acted on the impulse on Sunday, according to police.

news.yahoo.com/relatives-teen-massacre-s...news-topstories.html
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27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 23 Jan 2013 19:42 #982

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And I guarangoddamntee ya it wouldn't have made a fucks worth of difference. Assault rifle, deer rifle, .22 pistol, there would've been some ugly shit happen regardless!!! This kid had some seriously fucked thinking going on and I'd have real trouble believing that even his not having access to any kind of firearms would have prevented something fucked up from happening. This kid had murder in his heart. He would've found a way to make this or something disastrously close to this happen. No doubt in my mind!!

THIS is what lax parenting, violent video games/movies and psychotropic prescription drugs (not to mention chemically-raped food) is doing to America. Get a good look everybody, this is what passes for "progress".
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Some good points came from this article:

www.americanthinker.com/2013/01/debunkin..._hook_debunkers.html

"Sandy Hook is particularly disturbing because the truth is, or at least should have been, so accessible. This tragedy should never have spawned anything like a conspiracy theory, but it obviously has.
Protecting the major media's flank during retreat are many and sundry well-funded leftist blogs -- Huffington Post, The Daily Kos, Media Matters, and TPM among others. While the major media withdraw, the blogs attack those who might challenge the "narrative" the majors have left behind.
A case in point is a recent multi-media Huffington Post piece titled "Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theory Video Debunked By Experts." In the video intro, HuffPo editor Meredith Bennett-Smith laughingly dismisses the various alternate theories of what transpired at Sandy Hook. Says Bennett-Smith, "That is what conspiracy theorists love to do. They put out a lot of questions, but they don't necessarily provide a lot of answers." When there is a Democrat in the White House, alas, anyone who asks a question becomes a conspiracy theorist.
Like too many alleged fact checkers, Bennett-Smith addresses only the least significant of the challenges to the Sandy Hook narrative: the alleged use of crisis actors, the memorials that predated the shooting, the confusion about what weapon was in Adam Lanza's trunk. The "experts" she promises in the headline turn out to be other Obama-friendly fact checkers like David Mikkelson, founder of Snopes, and Robert Blaskiewicz, editor of a comparable blog called Skeptical Humanities. Absent in the piece is anyone who knows anything about guns or police work.
Predictably, what the HuffPo piece does not address are the two most troubling inconsistencies in the Sandy Hook reporting: the nature of the guns used and the presence or absence of a second shooter. Both questions have gained importance because of the White House's obvious political exploitation of a ginned up "assault weapon" hysteria.

Also, even though I'm not a huge fan of Conspiracy "Personalities" like Jeff Rense- I know you're not supposed to judge a book by it's cover but it's hard to take him seriously with that crazy hair :chuckle: - I listened to him & Jay Weidner talking about this incident and Weidner brings up some good points(he does not deny that children died).


Jon Rappoport talked about this radio show on his blog:

In fact, Rense and Weidner were talking about something else, something very important: the “missing pieces” in the psyches of people who are interviewed on television, in the wake of personal horrors, people who simply don’t behave as human beings would, who show no exploding grief, no collapse, no sign of profound shock or loss.

At Salon, Seitz-Wald tries to solve this “puzzle” by referring to a study that claims the alternation between “sadness and mirth” occurs often in people who have undergone a tragedy.

This is patently absurd. The irrelevant study wasn’t tightly focused on a devastating massacre of very young children. It didn’t take into account the omnivorous presence of television and its influence.

Seitz-Wald continues: “Rense and Weidner also take issue with the mourning of the school nurse, the family of slain teacher Victoria Soto, and others.”

Yes, absolutely, and why not? The behavior of these people, as they were interviewed on television, was profoundly lacking in the kind of grief we would expect.

And Seitz-Wald calls Rense and Weidner conspiracy theorists? It’s he who doesn’t have eyes to see. If he did, and actually watched these bizarre interviews, he too would be disturbed. But instead, he’s ready to cast “conspiracy theorists” as people who believe nothing happened at Sandy Hook and no one died.

That’s one of his missions in the article, and he’s willing to grossly misrepresent Rense and Weidner to achieve the objective.

His tactic is classic. Attack the people whose ideas you want to neutralize, don’t carefully examine and report what they’re saying, and along the way attribute to them ideas they never had.

Seitz-Wald mentions another now-famous Sandy Hook resident, Gene Rosen, who was interviewed several times about the help he gave to a group of children who had fled the school.

Seitz-Wald fails to point out what Jay Weidner was saying about Rosen—that he too showed no sign of real shock or grief, certainly not at the level one would expect after 20 children had been murdered a few blocks away.

Instead, Seitz-Wald focuses on criticisms made of Rosen’s account of the timeline, during which he brought children into his house and then called their parents.

Again, Weidner and Rense were talking about something else, something far more important: WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO PEOPLE IN OUR SOCIETY, SUCH THAT THEY CAN’T FIND HUMAN FEELINGS IN THEMSELVES WHEN HORRIFIC TRAGEDY STRIKES?

You want conspiracy? Here it is. People who make their living in media see no problem in the failure to be human. They set up, prepare for, and construct interviews in which people, routinely, do not act human. That is conspiracy-plus. It is an ongoing and concerted effort to hold up a mirror to millions of viewers—and the reflection says: ACT LIKE AN ANDROID BECAUSE WE LIVE IN AN ANDROID WORLD.

That is television’s day-to-day message: forget what it means to be human.

Weidner and Rense were carrying on a mature and vital conversation about the loss of humanity in modern society. For that, they were taken to task. How preposterous.

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27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 23 Jan 2013 19:48 #984

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andyh wrote:
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"Political conspiracy theorists are completely wrong [in their conclusions], but they're not crazy," he told HuffPost.
Cognitive
"The leading conspiracy theorists ... are right on many of their initial factual claims. Depending on what the theory is, they might even be correct in all of their claims.
Dissonance
" grand design," he added.
masonic trigger word.

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27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 23 Jan 2013 19:54 #985

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And I guarangoddamntee ya it wouldn't have made a fucks worth of difference. Assault rifle, deer rifle, .22 pistol, there would've been some ugly shit happen regardless!!! This kid had some seriously fucked thinking going on and I'd have real trouble believing that even his not having access to any kind of firearms would have prevented something fucked up from happening. This kid had murder in his heart. He would've found a way to make this or something disastrously close to this happen. No doubt in my mind!!

THIS is what lax parenting, violent video games/movies and psychotropic prescription drugs (not to mention chemically-raped food) is doing to America. Get a good look everybody, this is what passes for "progress".

Thank you! The real issues are(of course) being ignored. :hedbut:

And- off topic- OMG!!!! We are finally both here at the same time! :woot: I was starting to think I was your alter ego- your Pheminine side, so to speak. :kisskiss: I mean, y'know, since we've never been in the same room at the same time... :hmm:
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27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 23 Jan 2013 20:06 #986

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I don't know what happened in that lad's head, or with his family, but they've reported this...

"Neighbors said they’d often seen Nehemiah walking around in Army fatigues. Local media said the home schooled teen wasn’t allowed to play video games, and that his family never let him watch violent shows on television."
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Read more: www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/n-m-teen-...243888#ixzz2Ipa8znnf
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27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 23 Jan 2013 20:12 #987

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Thank you! The real issues are(of course) being ignored. :hedbut:

And- off topic- OMG!!!! We are finally both here at the same time! :woot: I was starting to think I was your alter ego- your Pheminine side, so to speak. :kisskiss:

THAT would be awesome!!

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I mean, y'know, since we've never been in the same room at the same time... :hmm:

THAT would end in arrests and hilarious mugshots! *cough* running mascara & the stolen police car *cough*

Arresting officer: "So, let me get this straight. You both thought it was a good idea to smoke a quarter-bag, hotwire AND steal a police cruiser, wreck it, THEN try to make it through a Whataburger drive-thru at 3am?? Where the Hell did y'all get yer weed from??? Must be some gooood shit!!!" :rofl:
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Gilly wrote:
I don't know what happened in that lad's head, or with his family, but they've reported this...

"Neighbors said they’d often seen Nehemiah walking around in Army fatigues. Local media said the home schooled teen wasn’t allowed to play video games, and that his family never let him watch violent shows on television."
:dunno:
Read more: www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/n-m-teen-...243888#ixzz2Ipa8znnf

His father was a preacher. Being raised in a strict religious household can definitely push a person to breaking-point. And I bet he got his fair share of off-limits material in at friends' houses. Either way, it's many several factors that go into making something like this happen. I'm not opposed to the idea that maybe he was just a hate-filled, evil little shit that didn't give a fuck about anyone but himself. Archons running rampant all over the place!! But that's another thread for another day.
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phemohilia wrote:
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Thank you! The real issues are(of course) being ignored. :hedbut:

And- off topic- OMG!!!! We are finally both here at the same time! :woot: I was starting to think I was your alter ego- your Pheminine side, so to speak. :kisskiss:

THAT would be awesome!!

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I mean, y'know, since we've never been in the same room at the same time... :hmm:

THAT would end in arrests and hilarious mugshots! *cough* running mascara & the stolen police car *cough*

Arresting officer: "So, let me get this straight. You both thought it was a good idea to smoke a quarter-bag, hotwire AND steal a police cruiser, wreck it, THEN try to make it through a Whataburger drive-thru at 3am?? Where the Hell did y'all get yer weed from??? Must be some gooood shit!!!" :rofl:

Eh-hmmm...ya forgot about the shrooms... :pixie:
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phemohilia wrote:
Gilly wrote:
I don't know what happened in that lad's head, or with his family, but they've reported this...

"Neighbors said they’d often seen Nehemiah walking around in Army fatigues. Local media said the home schooled teen wasn’t allowed to play video games, and that his family never let him watch violent shows on television."
:dunno:
Read more: www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/n-m-teen-...243888#ixzz2Ipa8znnf

His father was a preacher. Being raised in a strict religious household can definitely push a person to breaking-point. And I bet he got his fair share of off-limits material in at friends' houses. Either way, it's many several factors that go into making something like this happen. I'm not opposed to the idea that maybe he was just a hate-filled, evil little shit that didn't give a fuck about anyone but himself. Archons running rampant all over the place!! But that's another thread for another day.

Jay Weidner touched on the Archon theme regarding the lack of human emotion coming from the people interviewed about the Sandy Hook shooting.

All I know is, I cried the other night for just a few minutes and the next morning I looked like I had been sobbing all night! My eyes were super puffy- swollen eyelids- and my face looked haggard. I can't imagine being interviewed after my child was killed and not showing some sort of signs of emotional distress.

Hell, I KNOW first hand what it's like to see a child killed(though he wasn't shot),although I was a child myself....my father(tough as nails and never cries) cried for at least 2 weeks, every night.

But-hey- I guess everyone grieves differently... :roll:
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phemohilia wrote:
Gilly wrote:
I don't know what happened in that lad's head, or with his family, but they've reported this...

"Neighbors said they’d often seen Nehemiah walking around in Army fatigues. Local media said the home schooled teen wasn’t allowed to play video games, and that his family never let him watch violent shows on television."
:dunno:
Read more: www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/n-m-teen-...243888#ixzz2Ipa8znnf

His father was a preacher. Being raised in a strict religious household can definitely push a person to breaking-point. And I bet he got his fair share of off-limits material in at friends' houses. Either way, it's many several factors that go into making something like this happen. I'm not opposed to the idea that maybe he was just a hate-filled, evil little shit that didn't give a fuck about anyone but himself. Archons running rampant all over the place!! But that's another thread for another day.

There's no such thing as a natural born killer imho. They are made.
We are 99.9% creatures of environment and this is well known and acknowledged throughout professional academia with much mention of epigenetics etc.

As for america its so fucked up now, both the people and the media its hard to make heads or tails of anything that goes on there tbh.
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There's no such thing as a natural born killer imho. They are made.
We are 99.9% creatures of environment and this is well known and acknowledged throughout professional academia with much mention of epigenetics etc.

I tend to believe along those lines. I think there are people that are more likely to "have killing in them" but not so much the being "born a killer". There's a lot that would have to happen, maybe not a lot but certainly the right kind of bad things, in order to make someone into a murderer. Not the one-off, killed somebody in self-defense type person, I'm talking the murder someone/lots of people for no good reason kinda folks.

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As for america its so fucked up now, both the people and the media its hard to make heads or tails of anything that goes on there tbh.

You ain't just whistlin' Dixie!!
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Mmmkaay. Shit's gettin' cuhraaaaazy now!!

www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1...69717&postcount=3044


Supposedly, Adam Lanza's date of death has been confirmed as December 13, 2012.

A WHOLE DAY BEFORE THE SHOOTINGS. :umm:
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Mmmkaay. Shit's gettin' cuhraaaaazy now!!

www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1...69717&postcount=3044


Supposedly, Adam Lanza's date of death has been confirmed as December 13, 2012.

A WHOLE DAY BEFORE THE SHOOTINGS. :umm:

sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/todays-news/8450...html?start=960#95974

heh, you mustve missed gillys post earlier :)
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I forgot all about that post. Duhr @ me!
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I forgot all about that post. Duhr @ me!

:P :D
The other points about that which are worth noting are that the death certificates for Lanza & his mother were issued in New Hampshire - which, according to the official line, is where Mrs Lanza had been prior to returning home to allegedly be shot by her son - and also (though I haven't checked this out for myself, but gone from what others living in the States have said) when other sources which also record deaths based on the Social Security Death Index (SSDI) have been checked, there is no record at all of the Lanzas' deaths - as though they've maybe been expunged.
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Just stumbled across this:




That document the guy is talking about in this video was pulled from the internet just today. (According to one of the comments)

I'm sure there's nothing fishy going on there, eh?

***EDIT*** I've also just tried for like the fourth time clicking on that link for the document but it continues to come up "Internet Explorer Cannot Display This Page...." Strange, huh? :roll:
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Here is an interview with someone called Mike Powers. His credentials at the outset of the video speak for themselves. While the interview covers many of the same points that have already been discussed, there were a couple of things I was unaware of, or hadn't thought of before.

Such as how come the official line regarding the big weapons is that they were legally registered to Lanza's mother, when in reality, they are illegal in that state because of the extra gun laws already in existence there? That's been staring us in the face, yet it hadn't registered with me till this man brought it up.

Also, I hadn't read or heard before that someone had been panicked by the photo's of Robbie Parker's 3rd child, because allegedly, it is photo's of her own child (fuck all to do with the Parker family) from the internet. Maybe I'd just missed that before.

I'd seen evidence before that the photo's of the Parker family were photo-shopped, but I hadn't realised that the photo of Adam Lanza is also photo-shopped.

Also, although I knew the AR-15 was in locked in the trunk of Chris Rodia's car (which the media, for reasons best known to themselves, insist on referring to as Adam's mother's car). I also knew that the latest announcement from police (a heck of a long time after the atrocity took place, and after a ridiculous number of contradictions) was that only 4 hand-guns had been recovered from the premises. Yet when the Chief giggling wierdo, and self-professed 'expert who knows probably more about fire-arm wounds than anybody else in his field', Wayne Carver, made his statement, he'd said they'd all been shot with a long gun - Powers says that was the AR-15 that he was referring to.

I'm comforted to know that someone with the expertise in weaponry, and 1st response procedures has seen the many glaring anomalies, and is determined to investigate very deeply, and also push the government for answers. Thank fuck he doesn't think it's disrespectful to ask questions. Because I, for one, think it's a trifle disrespectful to murder children and adults and lie to the population.

So no bastard wonder they're now talking about swiftly demolishing the school!!!

www.liveleak.com/view?i=cd8_1358746935
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Gilly wrote:
Here is an interview with someone called Mike Powers. His credentials at the outset of the video speak for themselves. While the interview covers many of the same points that have already been discussed, there were a couple of things I was unaware of, or hadn't thought of before.

Such as how come the official line regarding the big weapons is that they were legally registered to Lanza's mother, when in reality, they are illegal in that state because of the extra gun laws already in existence there? That's been staring us in the face, yet it hadn't registered with me till this man brought it up.

Also, I hadn't read or heard before that someone had been panicked by the photo's of Robbie Parker's 3rd child, because allegedly, it is photo's of her own child (fuck all to do with the Parker family) from the internet. Maybe I'd just missed that before.

I'd seen evidence before that the photo's of the Parker family were photo-shopped, but I hadn't realised that the photo of Adam Lanza is also photo-shopped.

Also, although I knew the AR-15 was in locked in the trunk of Chris Rodia's car (which the media, for reasons best known to themselves, insist on referring to as Adam's mother's car). I also knew that the latest announcement from police (a heck of a long time after the atrocity took place, and after a ridiculous number of contradictions) was that only 4 hand-guns had been recovered from the premises. Yet when the Chief giggling wierdo, and self-professed 'expert who knows probably more about fire-arm wounds than anybody else in his field', Wayne Carver, made his statement, he'd said they'd all been shot with a long gun - Powers says that was the AR-15 that he was referring to.

I'm comforted to know that someone with the expertise in weaponry, and 1st response procedures has seen the many glaring anomalies, and is determined to investigate very deeply, and also push the government for answers. Thank fuck he doesn't think it's disrespectful to ask questions. Because I, for one, think it's a trifle disrespectful to murder children and adults and lie to the population.

So no bastard wonder they're now talking about swiftly demolishing the school!!!

www.liveleak.com/view?i=cd8_1358746935

There's a video in the news showing a cop handling a shotgun in the back of supposedly this car.
Not an AR15.

Supposedly the AR15 was inside the building we never got to see that ofc and whats in the boot perhaps belongs to the drug dealer he nicked the car off lol.
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STATE OF CONNECTICUT
Department of Emergency Services &
Public Protection
Connecticut State Police
Public Information Office
1111 Country Club Road
Middletown, Connecticut 06457

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Reuben Bradford
Commissioner Colonel Danny R. Stebbins
Deputy Commissioner
Division of State Police
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
January 18, 2013


** UPDATE **

STATE POLICE IDENTIFY WEAPONS USED IN SANDY HOOK INVESTIGATION;
INVESTIGATION CONTINUES

In previous press conferences, the Connecticut State Police clearly identified all of the weapons seized from the crime scene at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

To eliminate any confusion or misinformation, we will again describe and identify the weapons seized at the school crime scene.



Seized inside the school:

#1. Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine



#2. Glock 10 mm handgun



#3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun



Seized from suspect’s car in parking lot:


#4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun (seized from car in parking lot)



This case remains under investigation.

Lt. J. Paul Vance





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