Mike wrote:
Hey hey, I did say unless they're stupid as pig shit

i-baster wrote:
bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/16/boston-...4PMxEi1eN/story.html

I mentioned Sandy Hook because it is relevant. I have not seen one piece of evidence that Obama was behind Sandy Hook. Not one piece of evidence that Adam Lanza was not behind Sandy Hook. The conspiracy theories surrounding Sandy Hook were absurd. Now we do the rounds again with this one long before the dust has settled. This is the same story from the conspiracy people, they say the images are photoshopped etc. They start from a position of that is biased in favour of a government conspiracy which is not how any sane person should approach a crime. Crazy people do exist and they don`t always work in Government. The idea that the FBI will only investigate one type of suspect is absurd too. The conspiracy theories always assume that the FBI and police are all part of the evil plan. That is just really daft in my opinion.

i-baster wrote:
So is assuming that the govt and its various agencies are beyond reproach and that they are never involved in crime.
You're just taking an extreme viewpoint and calling it daft.
And FYI as has been clearly established before, crazy people certainly can and do work for the govt

At a guess, seeing as no-ones claimed responsibility yet its probably a one man band nutjob of the anders breivhik ilk.

Personally I wouldn't trust Alex Jones to get the time of day accurate let alone whats going on in the real world, same applies to the govt.
They're both untrustworthy.

There was collusion between agents of the state and loyalist gunmen in north Belfast in the 1980s and 90s.

I am sure the state in the USA are as capable of collusion also if it is beneficial.

andyh wrote:
I didn`t say that at all. I just find the leaping to conspiracy rather absurd. It also damages any chance such people have of convincing anybody. Something just happened. Boston police (20th largest police department in the USA) and the FBI (28000 employees about half of which are special agents) have not officially said who, what or why yet but already "dude behind computer" has the whole story already.

All I am saying is that if you want any credibility to your views then you should probably have some sort of evidence. There was zero evidence regarding Sandy Hook but some people still cling to the idea that Obama was behind it somehow. They will tell you that Christopher Nolan and the crew of the Dark Knight Rises are involved somehow. Yes this is a big conspiracy involving thousands but our evidence is stuff like "he smiled" or something equally weak. Then they will take early news reports(often based on rumour and hearsay) and take the clarification of information to mean that the earlier version was covered up.

If you want to be taken seriously then you should stick to facts, that`s all i am saying.

I totally get what you are saying i-baster but you are not allowing for any 'give' when it comes to establishing facts either. Some stuff needs to be tossed about a bit to establish if it's credible or not.

I must have missed the bit in this thread where folk put forward a conspiracy theory for these bombs... can someone fill me in on what's been said about how government did it please?

i-baster wrote: If you think we're all a bunch of crazy conspiracy people, why did you come back to the site? Some might say, it's slightly rude to be away from a place for quite some time, and then come back and instantly accuse the people who've been here in your absence of being crazy! You must surely see how this could be taken the wrong way?!

This must be why I have Yossarian as my Avatar!

oioioi wrote:
You can toss anything you like in. I don`t see how I have not allowed for any give. I would like to know what happened personally. I don`t much care for the absurd but if people believe that then I will listen. I don`t really know where you get that impression. My issue is with people that assume what happened and then try to fit evidence to their view of what happened.

Bombs explode at the marathon. News breaks but very little detail has emerged. We know one fact and that is two bombs went off. As soon as this information comes out people are looking at images claiming photoshop is used. People calling the blood ketchup as if they do not believe it was real. These are the kinds of sick minds out there making shit up. They see a guy on the roof and decide who he is. They don`t use logic. I am in no way trying to close debate. I am not saying just listen to the government. I am saying that there is journalism and investigation and then there is bollocks and manipulation. People take something true and try to twist it to mean something else with their spin. It is very low in my view. If information comes out that this was a conspiracy it wont be believed simply because of the way some people go about investigating it.

Again, I haven't seen any of that here i-b. Can you point me in the right direction please?

knobmeup wrote: I was going to ask where this happened on here:

But I wouldn't necessarily expect to get a direct answer to a direct question!

wake_up_bomb wrote:
I've already read it. I want to know what a big bunch of stuff about America in general has to do with this particular bombing.

It's not even a question of the American population 'uncritically accepting' what the govt says. America has a long love affair with conspiracy theories - JFK, alien cover-ups and 911 have all enjoyed significantly high levels of belief in the American population. Alex Jones is 50 something on the American internet rankings. If a gun nut is arrested and charged, the pro-gun crowd will swing behind calling conspiracy. If it's an Islamic fundamentalist, the truthers will swing behind calling conspiracy. If it's a lone nut, there will be a generic selection of conspiracies. It doesn't matter who did it - they won't have done. This kind of thing is if anything a distraction from the actions of the state. It gets people thinking they're some kind of intrepid investigator because they saw a man on a roof and assume it means something profound. It gets people chasing windmills over a conclusion they've essentially already decided that leads them nowhere.

I think the police are in the main a shower of bastards and that they can and do fit people up. That does not mean I believe if someone is arrested for murder they've been fitted up and start looking for 'evidence' to prove this. Because the police do actually catch murderers and have access to the resources to do so which the general public do not have access to.

This particular incident thus far stands out as one of the more pathetic examples of waste of time conspiracy hysteria.
So far the authorities seem perplexed They've been hesitant about saying "terrorist" even though it's the most obvious explanation and taken time before using it in a full on way. The reaction so far has been increased security at big events - security that was already in place anyway. There is as yet quite literally nothing whatsoever to get worked up about.

I'm not seeing any problem yet with what happened in relation to the authorities. The only problem seems to be the conspiracy machine predictably cranking itself up to 11 for no reason.

Which is what you're doing in a more subtle way. The war on drugs or private prisons have exactly jack shit to with a bomb going off in Boston. Genuine critical thinking would be saying that people can and do plant bombs and there's no point going off on grand rhetorical flourishes until the facts are in. Because the actions of America \are totally irrelevant if it just so happens some nutcase decided to plant a bomb. Something that is a very real possibility. Because not everything that happens in the world is because of omnipotent evil overlords.

wake_up_bomb wrote: I didn`t say that and do not think that. A few people here I do disagree with on certain issues and I guess you are their spokesman.

This is not really relevant to this topic. I left because things were too negative around me here. My life was in a certain place and I didn`t need to be dealing with people being negative towards me. That is all I want to say about that right now.
Some people or you? This is a message forum on the internet. Some people post a lot and some people don`t. Some people might move on and come back.

Who did I call crazy and what does being here while I was not have to do with anything?

It is the internet and people take things I say the wrong way all the time. People get a certain thing in their heads and it is typed somewhere on a forum or whatever to go back to and dwell upon. I try not to let the internet get to me but it happens. Sorry if you take what I say the wrong way I just disagree with you on some stuff I guess and you don`t like me because of it.
Sorry I have never read catch 22 or seen the movie so your reference is lost on me.

dogsmilk wrote: I've already explained it once, my friend. I'm not going to do it again. You're welcome to your opinion on whatever I wrote, that's fine. I'm sorry, I haven't got time to have pointless back and forth debates any more.

WUB, Knobhead, do you guys think the American government should be overthrown?

wake_up_bomb wrote: Not everyone here interprets events conspiratorially, I'd say it's about half and half

i-baster wrote: I posted the clip from Catch-22 so you could watch it. If you watch it then it will become clear.

I don't dislike you, nor have I or would I say anything personal to you. I'm sorry if you've been through a hard time, but that really happens to lots of people, that's life.

In your post you use the word 'crazy' more than once, and the word 'conspiracy' numerous times, along with words like 'absurd'. Anyone can read this for themselves. Who specifically is 'crazy'? Who on here has been spreading 'conspiracy theories'? And whose specific views are 'absurd'?

And if you don't like coming into contact with 'negativity' this is not the place to be. Honestly, you will end up feeling the same way again because there is not going to be any good news for a very long time. This is nothing, this incident means absolutely nothing, it's not a piss in a pot compared to the economic problems that are coming.