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Two Explosions at Boston Marathon 16 Apr 2013 05:16 #81

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According to MSNBC the reports about cell phones being switched off is not true. They also interviewed a witness who smiled so wait for that to do the rounds. The FBI and police have not named any group or individuals to be involved but Alex Jones and his ilk have already started with their unfounded theories. A person on a roof probably nothing to do with anything.
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i-baster wrote:
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I distrust people trying to deter others from having an enquiring mind about such occurances, myself.

There is a difference between an inquiring mind and making shit up before you have any information.

Y'don't say!
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I have never tried to deter anybody from investigation of things they are interested in.

Ooh - I hate to break it to you, but yes you have. You've got in quick with it here too. ;)

Your message is clearly, "Question nothing, or be subjected to ridicule". Cool for you to decide up front that whatever we're going to be told will be the truth, the whole truth & nothing but the truth, if that's what you believe. Not so cool to try to impose the same mind-set on others. If you don't like folk discussing things, you could take your own advice in a thread here the other day, and not read it.
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I have a question though for people in general: If we do not trust the main stream media and then use the mainstream media as part of our detective work it makes me wonder how we trust our own conclusions? Odd really.

Not odd at all when you think about it. When mainstream media contradicts itself, sometimes repeatedly and regarding very key points, it can sometimes be a indicator that there's deliberate lying to the public going on.
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Watch somebody say, "Watch somebody blame gay marriage next". ::roll:
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Two Explosions at Boston Marathon 16 Apr 2013 07:05 #83

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It seems that initial reports of the death toll were innacurate: 3 dead and 120 injured.

This is very bad news. I hope the injured and bereaved get all the support they need. I agree with others who've commented on the cowardly nature of this attack, and hope that whomever is responsible is caught fast. :(
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No you got my message wrong. You know mainstream media has not told us who is behind the bombings because the FBI has not made any arrests. There is not even an official response other than one asking for assistance and the like. Despite this Alex Jones is already yelling false flag and photos of maimed people are being declared as "photoshopped" despite video of the exact type of carnage being readily available.

It looks like more of the same thing that happened with Sandy Hook. People lost kids and you just started judging how believable their grief was. You and I are really not in much of a position to investigate this event but certain media outlets are putting out false stories that gullible people such as yourself jump on.

No idea how Alex Jones can call it a false flag when no flag has been waved.

A bombing happened and that's about all we know. A journalist would dig for the story not try and fit the events to suit their own story. I have no problem with people uncovering conspiracy or corruption by any means.
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Apparently the spin was that it was a "joke"

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No you got my message wrong. You know mainstream media has not told us who is behind the bombings because the FBI has not made any arrests. There is not even an official response other than one asking for assistance and the like. Despite this Alex Jones is already yelling false flag and photos of maimed people are being declared as "photoshopped" despite video of the exact type of carnage being readily available.

It looks like more of the same thing that happened with Sandy Hook. People lost kids and you just started judging how believable their grief was. You and I are really not in much of a position to investigate this event but certain media outlets are putting out false stories that gullible people such as yourself jump on.

No idea how Alex Jones can call it a false flag when no flag has been waved.

A bombing happened and that's about all we know. A journalist would dig for the story not try and fit the events to suit their own story. I have no problem with people uncovering conspiracy or corruption by any means.

I knew you'd have to draw in Sandy Hook - stick to the Sandy Hook thread (where you didn't give a single plausible explanation for any of the discrepancies, despite making a lot of noise and labeling people insane) for that. You have to be pretty gullible (or something else) to accept the official line when there's a stack of contradiction and nonsensical shit in it, imo.

No, none of us here have said what we believe to be the case with the bombing, because there's not much information out as yet.

FFS, don't try to make out everyone who doesn't swallow the media line generally is on a par with Alex Jones! I wouldn't even read his stuff myself. Neat trick to try & discredit folk, but it's bollocks, so don't come it.

Looking out for what's happening doesn't make people gullible, whereas making out in advance that people who do look out for what's happening are akin to Alex freaking Jones is pig ignorant.
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Two Explosions at Boston Marathon 16 Apr 2013 10:00 #87

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You have a situation where the American authorities have killed millions of people, conservatively, have engaged in some of the worst atrocities in the history of the world, and countless war crimes. They've helped systematically run the American economy into the ground, engaged in unbelievable cronyism, and done nothing to prevent trillions of dollars being stolen from the public, in fact they've aided it. They've created a private prison system whereby the number of incarcerated Americans is now many times more than any other country on the planet, and private companies are paid per prisoner. Much of this huge fertile prison population that is exploited by corporations is due to the 'War on Drugs' which has helped build a massive police state architecture in the United States. At the same time the authorities have been caught running drugs into the United States multiple times. The police state has then been greatly enhanced by the 'War on Terror' as a result of which the federal government has claimed numerous completely unconstitutional powers. This just scratches the surface of some of the crimes of the US establishment.

Thus, it's absolutely staggering to me that any American person still wants to defend their establishment, still believes in it, and still unquestioningly trusts it. The only logical response is to be suspicious of the only people that stand to benefit from this, particularly when they inevitably finger a group that is inimical to their interests. Especially when, in addition to the list of unbelievable corruption and tyranny listed above, they've also engaged in covert intelligence actions all over the world, throwing out governments right, left and centre, supporting militia and terrorist groups on numerous occasions, and are documented to have carried out such atrocities on many occasions.

Yet all they've got to do is wheel the flag out, and the vast majority of people will suck up whatever Obama has to say. In fact, I saw many people speculating last night that it was either al-Qaeda or some pro-gun, anti-government nuts. Whichever one of those two groups the authorities choose to blame it on will just be accepted uncritically. Whatever response the government makes will be accepted uncritically. Whatever security provisions are put in place in Britain will be accepted uncritically. Whenever the economic armageddon reaches a critical point, whatever explanation Obama puts forward will be accepted uncritically. People will be annoyed about losing money, but there's not even the slightest chance that most people will have the critical faculties to understand what's occurred. In fact, the collapse of the dollar could be blamed on al-Qaeda, and most of the population would probably accept it.
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Two Explosions at Boston Marathon 16 Apr 2013 13:26 #88

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
You have a situation where the American authorities have killed millions of people, conservatively, have engaged in some of the worst atrocities in the history of the world, and countless war crimes. They've helped systematically run the American economy into the ground, engaged in unbelievable cronyism, and done nothing to prevent trillions of dollars being stolen from the public, in fact they've aided it. They've created a private prison system whereby the number of incarcerated Americans is now many times more than any other country on the planet, and private companies are paid per prisoner. Much of this huge fertile prison population that is exploited by corporations is due to the 'War on Drugs' which has helped build a massive police state architecture in the United States. At the same time the authorities have been caught running drugs into the United States multiple times. The police state has then been greatly enhanced by the 'War on Terror' as a result of which the federal government has claimed numerous completely unconstitutional powers. This just scratches the surface of some of the crimes of the US establishment.

What does any of this have to do with bombs in Boston?

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Yet all they've got to do is wheel the flag out, and the vast majority of people will suck up whatever Obama has to say. In fact, I saw many people speculating last night that it was either al-Qaeda or some pro-gun, anti-government nuts. Whichever one of those two groups the authorities choose to blame it on will just be accepted uncritically. Whatever response the government makes will be accepted uncritically. Whatever security provisions are put in place in Britain will be accepted uncritically. Whenever the economic armageddon reaches a critical point, whatever explanation Obama puts forward will be accepted uncritically. People will be annoyed about losing money, but there's not even the slightest chance that most people will have the critical faculties to understand what's occurred. In fact, the collapse of the dollar could be blamed on al-Qaeda, and most of the population would probably accept it.

Increased security at the London Marathon will be accepted uncritically to the detriment of civilisation.

All that needs to happen is bombs go off and before anybody even knows who's responsible it's a cascade of false flag theories and fiery rhetoric.

The American establishment has created a huge private prison industry, the war on drugs and the war on terror and this means...something about bombs in Boston for no reason.

It's the exact mirror of people who believe everything the government tells them. And no more rational. We must instantly be suspicious because Americas gains...whatever I can dream up...by bombing a marathon. Because America does bad things.


Incidentally, has anyone noticed the similarity to the plot of Four Lions? Surely that has some kind of conspiracy capital?
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dogsmilk wrote:
All that needs to happen is bombs go off and before anybody even knows who's responsible it's a cascade of false flag theories and fiery rhetoric.
I don't understand why you're saying that in response to my post as (a) I haven't put forward one such theory, let alone a 'cascade', and (b) facts aren't rhetorical, let alone 'fiery'. I just find it odd that people would choose to uncritically accept the US authorities' version of this event, when in the next 24-48 hours they've worked out which group they want to pin it on, and was trying to put their conduct in some sort of context. What I wrote didn't even scratch the surface of this subject. However, people can do and believe whatever they want, they will do anyway.
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Incidentally, has anyone noticed the similarity to the plot of Four Lions? Surely that has some kind of conspiracy capital?

Yes.. :D
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wake_up_bomb wrote:
dogsmilk wrote:
All that needs to happen is bombs go off and before anybody even knows who's responsible it's a cascade of false flag theories and fiery rhetoric.
I don't understand why you're saying that in response to my post as (a) I haven't put forward one such theory, let alone a 'cascade', and (b) facts aren't rhetorical, let alone 'fiery'. I just find it odd that people would choose to uncritically accept the US authorities' version of this event, when in the next 24-48 hours they've worked out which group they want to pin it on, and was trying to put their conduct in some sort of context. What I wrote didn't even scratch the surface of this subject. However, people can do and believe whatever they want, they will do anyway.

The point about false flags was a general one. One implicit in your own. Like
The only logical response is to be suspicious of the only people that stand to benefit from this,

Who exactly and why?

It's all very well to go on about 'uncritically accepting', but automatically thinking there must be something to be suspicious about and launching into an irrelevant tirade about America is really no better.

It's conceivable the US authorities are crazy enough to bomb a marathon for no reason. But very, very unlikely. It's actually far more likely somebody decided to bomb it for an as yet unknown reason. Bombings do happen. Governmments do not have a monopoly on blowing things up, nor is the world a crude manichean struggle with the govt vs everyone else.

Scratch the surface of what[ subject? Hardly anything is known about the bombings so far. All this stuff about the prison industrial complex blah blah blah is a bit like saying Thatcher widened the gap betwen rich and poor and so David Copeland
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dogsmilk wrote:
Incidentally, has anyone noticed the similarity to the plot of Four Lions? Surely that has some kind of conspiracy capital?

Yes.. :D
Chris Morris is a Jesuit so they did it.

Aha!

Notice also the similarity of the man on the roof to the sniper on the roof who shot the Wookie.
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dogsmilk wrote:
wake_up_bomb wrote:
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All that needs to happen is bombs go off and before anybody even knows who's responsible it's a cascade of false flag theories and fiery rhetoric.
I don't understand why you're saying that in response to my post as (a) I haven't put forward one such theory, let alone a 'cascade', and (b) facts aren't rhetorical, let alone 'fiery'. I just find it odd that people would choose to uncritically accept the US authorities' version of this event, when in the next 24-48 hours they've worked out which group they want to pin it on, and was trying to put their conduct in some sort of context. What I wrote didn't even scratch the surface of this subject. However, people can do and believe whatever they want, they will do anyway.

The point about false flags was a general one. One implicit in your own. Like
The only logical response is to be suspicious of the only people that stand to benefit from this,

Who exactly and why?

It's all very well to go on about 'uncritically accepting', but automatically thinking there must be something to be suspicious about and launching into an irrelevant tirade about America is really no better.

It's conceivable the US authorities are crazy enough to bomb a marathon for no reason. But very, very unlikely. It's actually far more likely somebody decided to bomb it for an as yet unknown reason. Bombings do happen. Governmments do not have a monopoly on blowing things up, nor is the world a crude manichean struggle with the govt vs everyone else.

Scratch the surface of what[ subject? Hardly anything is known about the bombings so far. All this stuff about the prison industrial complex blah blah blah is a bit like saying Thatcher widened the gap betwen rich and poor and so David Copeland

Ah but we will know eventually. We will know what we are told anyway...
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Have to say DM that in this millennium pretty much every terrorist bomber that has been intercepted, has been stung. As in the security services have steered them toward bombing and provided material aid to that cause.

The notion of 'governments' bombing citizens is not a million miles from that reality.
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Do bombs ever go off next to bankers,industrialists,politicians or arms makers? :roll:
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Do bombs ever go off next to bankers,industrialists,politicians or arms makers? :roll:

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The point about false flags was a general one. One implicit in your own. Like
The only logical response is to be suspicious of the only people that stand to benefit from this,

Who exactly and why?

It's all very well to go on about 'uncritically accepting', but automatically thinking there must be something to be suspicious about and launching into an irrelevant tirade about America is really no better.

It's conceivable the US authorities are crazy enough to bomb a marathon for no reason. But very, very unlikely. It's actually far more likely somebody decided to bomb it for an as yet unknown reason. Bombings do happen. Governmments do not have a monopoly on blowing things up, nor is the world a crude manichean struggle with the govt vs everyone else.

Scratch the surface of what[ subject? Hardly anything is known about the bombings so far. All this stuff about the prison industrial complex blah blah blah is a bit like saying Thatcher widened the gap betwen rich and poor and so David Copeland
That's fine, you're welcome to critique my writing, just please don't put words in my mouth. There was no 'cascade' of theories from me, or anyone else for that matter.
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Do bombs ever go off next to bankers,industrialists,politicians or arms makers? :roll:

In the west? Last I can remember was when the Ira were active in England......
Quite some time then...
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wake_up_bomb wrote:
dogsmilk wrote:
The point about false flags was a general one. One implicit in your own. Like
The only logical response is to be suspicious of the only people that stand to benefit from this,

Who exactly and why?

It's all very well to go on about 'uncritically accepting', but automatically thinking there must be something to be suspicious about and launching into an irrelevant tirade about America is really no better.

It's conceivable the US authorities are crazy enough to bomb a marathon for no reason. But very, very unlikely. It's actually far more likely somebody decided to bomb it for an as yet unknown reason. Bombings do happen. Governmments do not have a monopoly on blowing things up, nor is the world a crude manichean struggle with the govt vs everyone else.

Scratch the surface of what[ subject? Hardly anything is known about the bombings so far. All this stuff about the prison industrial complex blah blah blah is a bit like saying Thatcher widened the gap betwen rich and poor and so David Copeland
That's fine, you're welcome to critique my writing, just please don't put words in my mouth. There was no 'cascade' of theories from me, or anyone else for that matter.

1/I said nothing about a "cascade" of theories from yourself. Please don't make things up

2/If you believe there isn't a cascade of theories, I suggest you spend five minutes on the DIF
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2/If you believe there isn't a cascade of theories, I suggest you spend five minutes on the DIF
Why don't you post on the DIF about this 'cascade' of theories instead of quoting my post on here then?
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